[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by mlyons

That's no different than now. Tampa Bay made nearly $30 million in profit last season.

Not a whole lot different. They had atleast have to pretend they are trying to win the division now though.

[mlyons]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Not a whole lot different. They had atleast have to pretend they are trying to win the division now though.

Oh, so more like Florida and Pittsburgh, then.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by mlyons

Oh, so more like Florida and Pittsburgh, then.

No Tampa was in a World Series just last year.

[Goody]

The thing is, I don't want to hate the Yankees. I like their history because I love baseball...who wouldn't?

I hate the Cowboys. I hate the Steelers. But at least I know I hate them because they're good...I can respect that they are on an even level with my team (even if they have more bandwagon fans).

I hate the system that the MLB uses.

OOTP is a good example, because it takes out all the BS. Even if you don't have a salary cap in an online league...there is a chance for every team after 5 years. But even then, many leagues in OOTP opt to use a salary cap because they want it to be "fun" for everyone. Imagine that.

[mlyons]

Originally Posted by Goody

OOTP is a good example, because it takes out all the BS. Even if you don't have a salary cap in an online league...there is a chance for every team after 5 years. But even then, many leagues in OOTP opt to use a salary cap because they want it to be "fun" for everyone. Imagine that.

OOTP is designed to be fun for the people running the teams, not the people watching the games.

[CBL-Commish]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Welcome to the territorial monopoly league model used in North American sports.

Which, in my opinion, is the root of the problem. Baseball would be much, much better off from a fan's perspective if the NL and AL were still competitors. Or if teams could move at will, and MLB expanded much more readily. Or an open league system. Anything to break up the monopoly.

It all comes back to locking in a system with absolutely massive revenue inequities.

One may well ask why the Mets, with access to the same market area, isn't in the post-season every year.

They're run like crap. And even at that they're over .500 with three playoff appearances and seven 88+ win seasons since the last work stoppage. A garden-variety crap team from a smaller market like Pittsburgh or Baltimore is 10-15 games worse per year.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

I was thinking more like
Joe Dimaggio
Mickey Mantle
Whitey Ford
Lou Gehrig
Yogi Berra
Bill Dickey

FYI Ruth and Hoyt were acquired via trade...not really the same as signing free agents anyway even if cash played a big part of the trades. Teams had the option atleast to keep their own guy and not trade them.

And of course theyve spent the most money on their players as they have made the most money over the years. They did it in a much different way until the mid 70s hower
.

Joe DiMaggio was sold by the San Francisco Seals to the New York Yankees.

Other players you listed are basically free agent prospects that signed with the Yankees, most of them because of the bigger money Yankees offered.

The Yankees did things differently only because the transaction rules were different back then. Teams back then kept players longer for the same reason.

[Skipaway]

And actually, that's part of the reason why the Yankees were much more dominant back in the days then they are today.

Today, Yankees can only get to a very limited set of amateur players, and most of the time not able to sign the best of them. Yankees could only wait till those players reach free agency to bid on them.

Back in the day, Yankees just sign the best amateur players, and then keep those players forever.

[jbergey22]

Well there was only 16 teams back then as well Skip. I mean winning over 16 teams should be easier than winning over 30 teams. Yankees supreme dominance seemed to end with the first huge expansion in 1961.

[mlyons]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Well there was only 16 teams back then as well Skip. I mean winning over 16 teams should be easier than winning over 30 teams. Yankees supreme dominance seemed to end with the first huge expansion in 1961.

They won the Series in '62 and the AL pennant in '63 and '64. The Yankees' dominance didn't end until CBS bought them after the 1964 season and drove them into the ground.

[yankeesrule]

Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

They're run like crap. And even at that they're over .500 with three playoff appearances and seven 88+ win seasons since the last work stoppage. A garden-variety crap team from a smaller market like Pittsburgh or Baltimore is 10-15 games worse per year.

so you mean even with a big payroll, the team still needs to be smart on how it spends that money? that must explain how the poor poor mariners spent a whopping $118 million for a 101 loss team in 2008. those poor poor mariners, being beat down by the evil yankees and their big payroll.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by mlyons

They won the Series in '62 and the AL pennant in '63 and '64. The Yankees' dominance didn't end until CBS bought them after the 1964 season and drove them into the ground.

And drafts started in 1965, which greatly impacted the talent distribution. Amateurs couldn't go to the highest bidder anymore, and signing bonus was greatly reduced.

[Goody]

Originally Posted by yankeesrule

so you mean even with a big payroll, the team still needs to be smart on how it spends that money? that must explain how the poor poor mariners spent a whopping $118 million for a 101 loss team in 2008. those poor poor mariners, being beat down by the evil yankees and their big payroll.

How is $118 million "whopping", when the team you wear on your screen name spent almost double that this year?

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by Goody

How is $118 million "whopping", when the team you wear on your screen name spent almost double that this year?

Mariners were 9th in payroll that year. That's not a small number, and more than Oakland and Texas combined.

[Goody]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

Mariners were 9th in payroll that year. That's not a small number, and more than Oakland and Texas combined.

Yes, I've pointed that out many times in this thread. I should be ok with the salary cap rules since I'm a Mariners fan, if I was selfish and didn't care about fair competition.

[yankeesrule]

Originally Posted by Goody

How is $118 million "whopping", when the team you wear on your screen name spent almost double that this year?

it was mostly just a comment on how even when throwing out big money, you still need to spend it wisely. teams like the mets the past few seasons and that mariners team are evidence of this. sure, the extra money helps but you still need to build the team inteligently.

[Goody]

Originally Posted by yankeesrule

it was mostly just a comment on how even when throwing out big money, you still need to spend it wisely. teams like the mets the past few seasons and that mariners team are evidence of this. sure, the extra money helps but you still need to build the team inteligently.

They had built a pretty good team with Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr., Alex Rodriguez, and Edgar Martinez...etc...

Look what happened. You guys keep making my points for me. EVEN WITH a top 10 payroll, you're still not going to be able to keep your team together and keep on building it stronger unless you're top 1 to 3 in ability to pay. Because its boundless. No limit at all...

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Goody

You guys keep making my points for me. EVEN WITH a top 10 payroll, you're still not going to be able to keep your team together and keep on building it stronger unless you're top 1 to 3 in ability to pay. Because its boundless. No limit at all...

Please explain 1947-64 where the Yankees made the World Series 15 times out of 18 seasons, all without free agency and outbidding other clubs for the services of top players.

[Goody]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Please explain 1947-64 where the Yankees made the World Series 15 times out of 18 seasons, all without free agency and outbidding other clubs for the services of top players.

They played for the love of the game back then. This entire thread I've spent saying I don't like how things are now. I love those old Yankees teams.

I really don't mind if a team is dominating a league for awhile. As long as its not because they are spending over 900% of what another team is spending.

That's just dumb.

[Johnny Canuck]

Originally Posted by Goody

They played for the love of the game back then.

No they didn't - it was just as much about money then as it is now. The only difference is that now the player's have a lot more leverage over owners when it comes to pay (via free agency).