MLB Salary Cap (Or..just...something!) Redux of the Redux

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

Neither do NFL belong in this conversation if you simply want to say "XXX is different".

The discussion is all mixed up now. Are we talking about salary cap or are we talking about letting teams keep their players longer? If now the goal is later, than NFL shows you how salary cap has nothing to do with that, and we don't even need to consider salary caps to achieve that.

Of fair enough. I dont think a payroll cap is going to help out anything.

There are ways around taking the financial legs out from teams like the Yankees. Slotting, Foreigh Player drafts, etc would all be much more beneficial IMO.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

How entirely different? They are founded by tickets and donations from fans and TV money and Bowl money and merchandises.

Pretty similar to pro leagues.

The elite colleges are funded through their highly prestigeous acedemics first of all. That money in return gets invested different ways. Some colleges are great in Football, some in basketball, some in Rugby. College Football and Basketball easily bring in the most money however that money isnt directly going right back in them respective programs. It gets split up between the conference and goes into other programs as well.

When the Yankees win the World Series are they going to split it within the AL East and send some the Giants and Knicks way while setting up a Steroid educational course for ARod?

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

The elite colleges are funded through their highly prestigeous acedemics first of all. That money in return gets invested different ways. Some colleges are great in Football, some in basketball, some in Rugby. College Football and Basketball easily bring in the most money however that money isnt directly going right back in them respective programs. It gets split up between the conference and goes into other programs as well.

And in pro leagues, it's the same thing. The profits made by teams obviously don't really all go back to the teams. Quite often an owner just take the money and use it on other businesses he owns. Sometimes an owner just pull money out of his own pocket. A lot of revenue are split up among the league too, most obviously the national TV contracts.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Of fair enough. I dont think a payroll cap is going to help out anything.

There are ways around taking the financial legs out from teams like the Yankees. Slotting, Foreigh Player drafts, etc would all be much more beneficial IMO.

So the discussion is to reduce the financial advantage of the Yankees? There are already a lot of measure in place for that. For example, the roster size limit keeps rich teams from hoarding players.

I think the key problem is that nobody can make a convincing case why further limiting the Yankees is necessary yet. Most of the reasoning went no further than:

1. NFL is doing it
2. It's just more fair

Neither one is convincing yet.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

I think the key problem is that nobody can make a convincing case why further limiting the Yankees is necessary yet. Most of the reasoning went no further than:

1. NFL is doing it
2. It's just more fair

Neither one is convincing yet.

I have no problems with the Yankees being dominant. That part is good for the game. They are who every fan wants to beat.

What I dislike is crap teams sucking it up every single year. Maybe the Soccer regulation/deregulation is the way to go. Atleast it gives teams incentive to stay competetive.

[Goody]

College sports are about more than just entertainment. Same with high school. Now, they have different levels and they move the teams around to among them as needed to at least make it somewhat even amongst teams in the same "league"...

But we really are talking about two different animals. Scholastic sports are more about the participants and the schools. The increasing commercialization of college sports has many negative and positive effects on what its all about, sure.

But professional sports are entirely different and I don't want to see 5 teams in New York and none in Kansas City because its what's best for business. A diverse league with every region represented as much as possible...with each team having its own identity (beyond dollar value identity) seems the most desirable to me.

[Goody]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

So the discussion is to reduce the financial advantage of the Yankees? There are already a lot of measure in place for that. For example, the roster size limit keeps rich teams from hoarding players.

I think the key problem is that nobody can make a convincing case why further limiting the Yankees is necessary yet. Most of the reasoning went no further than:

1. NFL is doing it
2. It's just more fair

Neither one is convincing yet.

Its boring to watch the same teams get driven into the ground each year by the same teams.

[jbergey22]

This gives me a good idea for OOTP. I wonder if its possible to set up 3 20 team leagues. And use the European soccer model.

Anyone ever tried this?

There would be plenty of incentive for Florida to spend that money if they had to worry about having their revenues get cut in half if they got demoted.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by Goody

But professional sports are entirely different and I don't want to see 5 teams in New York and none in Kansas City because its what's best for business. A diverse league with every region represented as much as possible...with each team having its own identity (beyond dollar value identity) seems the most desirable to me.

Wouldn't a diverse league where every team represents roughly the same amount of fans be even more desirable?

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

Wouldn't a diverse league where every team represents roughly the same amount of fans be even more desirable?

It probably would however at this stage people are too loyal to "their" teams so they would boycott baseball in frustration. 100 years from now this would start paying off.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

But that doesn't make it all right that the Yankees and other large market teams have been granted sole domain over massive population centers with incredible wealth.

Welcome to the territorial monopoly league model used in North American sports.

Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

If the Royals or the Orioles were 100% efficient and had owners who were 100% dedicated to fielding a winning team they still couldn't spend half as much as the Yankees.

One may well ask why the Mets, with access to the same market area, isn't in the post-season every year.

The only thing the Yankees advantage has gained them is qualifying for the post-season fourteen of the last fifteen years. It has not, however, given them fourteen World Series titles. And at least in part of that success is attributable to the divisional structure and weighted schedules.

Originally Posted by jbergey22

There are ways around taking the financial legs out from teams like the Yankees. Slotting, Foreigh Player drafts, etc would all be much more beneficial IMO.

In regards to bonus slotting, why was it that in 2008 the club that was 29th in the league in revenue (Kansas City) was the same club that was 1st in the league in total bonus spending?

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by Goody

Its boring to watch the same teams get driven into the ground each year by the same teams.

It depends. NBA became popular when it was all Bird and Johnson, and then it's all Jordan.

College sports are still pretty good when it's all the same dominant schools.

I like how NFL now has teams like Colts or Pats that are always at the top level, and I surely loved the 49ers vs. Cowboys days.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

In regards to bonus slotting, why was it that in 2008 the club that was 29th in the league in revenue (Kansas City) was the same club that was 1st in the league in total bonus spending?

I dunno. They had money to spend? I wasnt one of the people that said the horrible teams didnt have money to spend FYI. They just dont have enough leverage to keep their own stars and bring in top quality free agents because their teams are always terrible. Players will take less from other teams just to get out of KC. The Twins on the other hand have a place where they can hold on to some of their stars at a discount because they have a place where players like to be probably because they usually field a winner.

Slotting is good for a number of reasons. It gives the teams leverage against the players as well. It makes sure that guys like Porcello dont fall in the draft when they should go on teams that need him much worse than the Tigers did.

How exactly does slotting hurt the Yankees?

[Jason Moyer]

Share 50% of the television revenue and tier the draft pick bonuses and everything will even out pretty quickly.

[mlyons]

Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Share 50% of the television revenue and tier the draft pick bonuses and everything will even out pretty quickly.

When teams own their own networks, it gets difficult to share their revenue.

[Goody]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The only thing the Yankees advantage has gained them is qualifying for the post-season fourteen of the last fifteen years.

You say that like its nothing. Like its not a big deal. Wow. Just wow.

[Goody]

Out of 14 teams going for 4 spots in the playoffs. 1 team took one of those spots 93% of the time.



The Red Sox went the past 9 out of 15 years...AND THEY'RE IN THE SAME DIVISION!

We're somehow supposed to say this is ok, as fans? Because its good for their business everything is peachy? Because its "capitalist" and "American"? I don't buy it.

[Jason Moyer]

Originally Posted by mlyons

When teams own their own networks, it gets difficult to share their revenue.

The Yankees network isn't worth anything if they don't play anyone right? If I'm a team in a small market I wouldn't even waste time making the trip to New York if they're not going to cut me 50% of the money they're making from playing my team. A team like the Yanks could share 50% of their TV revenue with the rest of the league and still have twice the revenue of any other team.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

The Yankees network isn't worth anything if they don't play anyone right? If I'm a team in a small market I wouldn't even waste time making the trip to New York if they're not going to cut me 50% of the money they're making from playing my team. A team like the Yanks could share 50% of their TV revenue with the rest of the league and still have twice the revenue of any other team.

Then it probably would make sense for small market teams to play fewer home games, and the Yankees play more. That way the small markets can actually make more money.

Kind of like college football.

[jbergey22]

Yeah lets get of the baseball playoffs as well, kind of like college football. Lets have polls every week too. Maybe we should start making the players take classes during their off days too so they can be prepared for life after baseball.