How many game suspension is deserved here? - Page 2

BaseballMan · 10-19-2009, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

One game seems to be the usual penalty for dangerous hits.

Remember Charles Martin slamming Jim McMahon. I beleive he was suspended for only 2 games. I think his actions were worse.

Cryomaniac · 10-19-2009, 06:44 AM

2 or 4 games, based solely on the pictures posted.

MorseMoose · 10-19-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

I dont think he was celebrating that he made a cheap shot but that in his mind that he had made a clean legal hit.

Then he is a complete and utter idiot and should be suspended for life. If he doesn't know the rules of his game - and more specifically, some of hte only plays that he plays on, he shouldn't be playing that sport.

BaseballMan · 10-19-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

Then he is a complete and utter idiot and should be suspended for life. If he doesn't know the rules of his game - and more specifically, some of hte only plays that he plays on, he shouldn't be playing that sport.

Not saying he shouldnt know the rules but you are being naive if you think players know all the rules. Even coaches dont know them all or else they wouldnt make some challenges.

boblight24 · 10-19-2009, 10:08 AM

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It was punt coverage and he was unaware of where the ball was, it's a 15-yard penalty for kick catch interference, that's it. It's football.

The players who came on the field after the play should be disciplined, like TB#54 who randomly started shoving Panthers players.

Erik W. · 10-19-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by boblight24

It was punt coverage and he was unaware of where the ball was, it's a 15-yard penalty for kick catch interference, that's it. It's football.

He leapt with the specific intent of hitting him as high as possible. His intent was to harm, not make a football play.

boblight24 · 10-19-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

He leapt with the specific intent of hitting him as high as possible. His intent was to harm, not make a football play.

I don't think his intent was to harm, I think it was to make a good solid special teams play. Did that Chiefs lineman intend to tear up Brady's knee last season, no he was trying to make a solid play on defense. You see it one way, I see it another. We can debate this until we're blue in the face, but football is a violent game and people will (do) get hurt.

marioh · 10-19-2009, 03:10 PM

I chose 3 games, but primarily due to that returner being on my fantasy team.
If he wasn't, I'd lean towards 1-2 games.

Erik W. · 10-19-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by boblight24

Did that Chiefs lineman intend to tear up Brady's knee last season, no he was trying to make a solid play on defense.

The Chief's lineman had been taken to the ground by the blocker and reached forward to attempt a sack while Brady still held the ball. This guy hit the returner two seconds before the ball even came down and jumped to make sure he got him above the shoulders.

The two plays aren't even remotely similar. One was an unfortunate result to a football play, the other was intentional thuggery.

Cryomaniac · 10-19-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Not saying he shouldnt know the rules but you are being naive if you think players know all the rules. Even coaches dont know them all or else they wouldnt make some challenges.

Occasionally it seems officials don't know the rules...

bababui · 10-19-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Occasionally it seems officials don't know the rules...

PING: Sunderland v Liverpool.

Russ · 10-19-2009, 06:57 PM

ESPN is reporting 1 game suspension.

kingcharlesxii · 10-19-2009, 07:04 PM

4 games, the guy could have gotten seriously hurt, you just don't hit defenseless people.

MorseMoose · 10-19-2009, 07:10 PM

No intent to harm...I might be able to buy that.

Good special teams play? No way. There is a rule (one in which a Special teams guy taht is the gunner should know...just like a QB would know they can't throw it when passed the line of scrimmage), that is to protect the safety of these prone guys. This guy, should not be playing the game if he is running willy nilly to make a "good special teams play".

Isn't there a rule (or is it only college) that says a player has to stop their forward momentum when waiting for the ball to come down?

MorseMoose · 10-19-2009, 07:12 PM

Bogus.

Panthers DB Wesley suspended 1 game for hit

NFL screws up again.

yankeesrule · 10-19-2009, 10:30 PM

for those saying it wasn't that big a deal and he shouldn't be suspended, you really need to see the replay. smith called a fair catch and wesley just slammed into him at full speed, lunging into his upper body, aiming for his head, no intent to slow down or avoid the hit.

any special teamer knows you cant touch the return before he gets the ball, especially not if he has called a fair catch. im sorry but he needs FAR more than a 1 game suspension.

the fact that wesley didn't realize he did something wrong and was acting like he was correct in what he did shows the panthers ST caoch either isn't doing his job or wesley doesn't belong in the league

Goody · 10-20-2009, 04:08 AM

I tried to see a fair catch signal...but couldn't. If there was he called it way ahead of when Wesley would have been able to see it since he had two blockers to get past.

I agree the ball wasn't there yet and the call on the field was correct. But you also have to remember, Wesley was flying down there at full speed and it looked like he was barely ahead of the blockers.

EVerything was so fast. Its hard to say it was blatant premeditated aggression.

His Own Bad Self · 10-20-2009, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Goody

EVerything was so fast. Its hard to say it was blatant premeditated aggression.

The only reason I don't agree is that Wesley lowered his shoulder as he hit Smith. If he'd wrapped him up in an ordinary tackle, I for one would feel a lot more forgiving about it. There was no reason to bring Smith down in the manner that Wesley did.

BaseballMan · 10-20-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by His Own Bad Self

The only reason I don't agree is that Wesley lowered his shoulder as he hit Smith. If he'd wrapped him up in an ordinary tackle, I for one would feel a lot more forgiving about it. There was no reason to bring Smith down in the manner that Wesley did.

If he felt he had the legal right to hit the guy and make a play i think the 1 game suspension is fine. Plenty of big hits have been made without being an ordianry tackle. Whether it is legal or not doesnt mean a player is trying to hurt another player. I think people are overreacting. It wasnt that dirty of a hit. It was just an illegal hit. He didnt try and clothesline Smith.

As for going for his head i have to question what video you guys are watching. Nowhere did he bring his arm up to hit Smith in the head. I dont think he was trying to hit Smith helmet to helmet. He just lowered his arm & shoulder into Smith's chest.
An illegal hit yes. Dirty nah. If thats dirty then a lot of past players should be in
prison for assault.

Skipaway · 10-21-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

If thats dirty then a lot of past players should be in prison for assault.

I don't think that's relevant. The rules have been tightening up a lot throughout the years. What's normal could be considered dirty now.

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10-19-2009, 06:44 AM	#22 (permalink)
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boblight24 Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Beyond Is Where I Roam Posts: 483 Thanks: 30 Thanked 7x in 7 posts Infractions: 0/1 (1)	0 It was punt coverage and he was unaware of where the ball was, it's a 15-yard penalty for kick catch interference, that's it. It's football. The players who came on the field after the play should be disciplined, like TB#54 who randomly started shoving Panthers players. __________________ "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda "Good is not good enough, when better is expected." ~Vin Scully

10-19-2009, 03:10 PM	#28 (permalink)
marioh All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 1,162 Thanks: 11 Thanked 7x in 6 posts	I chose 3 games, but primarily due to that returner being on my fantasy team. If he wasn't, I'd lean towards 1-2 games. __________________ RZA - "I'm me and the me that's me is me and is going to continue to be me"

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Russ All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Essex HON! Posts: 1,909 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 34 Thanked 48x in 42 posts Infractions: 0/1 (1)	ESPN is reporting 1 game suspension. __________________ If you don't love Russ, you don't love America. This post brought to you by Carl's Jr.

10-19-2009, 07:04 PM	#33 (permalink)
kingcharlesxii Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,498 Thanks: 154 Thanked 63x in 35 posts	4 games, the guy could have gotten seriously hurt, you just don't hit defenseless people.

10-19-2009, 07:10 PM	#34 (permalink)
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,803 Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 161 Thanked 164x in 113 posts Infractions: 1/1 (1)	No intent to harm...I might be able to buy that. Good special teams play? No way. There is a rule (one in which a Special teams guy taht is the gunner should know...just like a QB would know they can't throw it when passed the line of scrimmage), that is to protect the safety of these prone guys. This guy, should not be playing the game if he is running willy nilly to make a "good special teams play". Isn't there a rule (or is it only college) that says a player has to stop their forward momentum when waiting for the ball to come down? __________________ [Referring to rich12545] Princess Leia: But, why must you confront him? Luke: Because, there is good in him. I've felt it. He won't turn me over to the Emperor. I can save him. I can turn him back to the good side. I have to try February: ≠

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MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,803 Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 161 Thanked 164x in 113 posts Infractions: 1/1 (1)	Bogus. Panthers DB Wesley suspended 1 game for hit NFL screws up again. __________________ [Referring to rich12545] Princess Leia: But, why must you confront him? Luke: Because, there is good in him. I've felt it. He won't turn me over to the Emperor. I can save him. I can turn him back to the good side. I have to try February: ≠

10-19-2009, 10:30 PM	#36 (permalink)
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,361 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7x in 6 posts	for those saying it wasn't that big a deal and he shouldn't be suspended, you really need to see the replay. smith called a fair catch and wesley just slammed into him at full speed, lunging into his upper body, aiming for his head, no intent to slow down or avoid the hit. any special teamer knows you cant touch the return before he gets the ball, especially not if he has called a fair catch. im sorry but he needs FAR more than a 1 game suspension. the fact that wesley didn't realize he did something wrong and was acting like he was correct in what he did shows the panthers ST caoch either isn't doing his job or wesley doesn't belong in the league

10-20-2009, 04:08 AM	#37 (permalink)
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: PA Posts: 3,194 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 397 Thanked 161x in 116 posts	I tried to see a fair catch signal...but couldn't. If there was he called it way ahead of when Wesley would have been able to see it since he had two blockers to get past. I agree the ball wasn't there yet and the call on the field was correct. But you also have to remember, Wesley was flying down there at full speed and it looked like he was barely ahead of the blockers. EVerything was so fast. Its hard to say it was blatant premeditated aggression.

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