How many game suspension is deserved here?

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

I don't think that's relevant. The rules have been tightening up a lot throughout the years. What's normal could be considered dirty now.

True. I guess it depends on what you consider dirty. I just dont see the play as being dirty. Just overaggressive. If he had hit the guy in the helmet or from behind i could see it as dirty.

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Not saying he shouldnt know the rules but you are being naive if you think players know all the rules. Even coaches dont know them all or else they wouldnt make some challenges.

I sometimes wonder if some of the refs know all the rules.


Note: THough I try to be somewhat gentle, because thems a lot of rules.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Left-handed Badger

I sometimes wonder if some of the refs know all the rules.


Note: THough I try to be somewhat gentle, because thems a lot of rules.

They seem to know them all when it comes to the raiders. Tuck rule, Murphy td call back etc. Not saying those were wrong but pretty sure they wouldnt have been called on a lot of other teams. I will always be convinced the tuck play would have never even been reviewed if it been some other tesms. But oh well.

[jaxmagicman]

Originally Posted by MorseMoose

4real, Jax? 4joke?

Yes for real. I see nothing more wrong with this than someone horsecollaring someone. This person got thrown out and missed the rest of the game. Seems like a just penalty to me.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

As for going for his head i have to question what video you guys are watching. Nowhere did he bring his arm up to hit Smith in the head. I dont think he was trying to hit Smith helmet to helmet. He just lowered his arm & shoulder into Smith's chest.

I'm more curious what video you're watching. He leapt high enough that his elbow hit the returner in the jaw (which is more than likely what knocked him out).



Granted, I never played football above high school level, but I doubt that at some point in college or the NFL he was taught that the proper way to make a tackle is to leap as high as you can. You only do that when your intent is to harm. That crap has no place in sports.

[MorseMoose]

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Yes for real. I see nothing more wrong with this than someone horsecollaring someone. This person got thrown out and missed the rest of the game. Seems like a just penalty to me.

Decent point, but a horse-collar often IS an accident where you're just grabbing for anything. When you come flying through the air...that's different.

[kingcharlesxii]

Originally Posted by MorseMoose

Decent point, but a horse-collar often IS an accident where you're just grabbing for anything. When you come flying through the air...that's different.

Yeah, that can be accidental. If he had just tried to wrap up the returner with a standard tackle it wouldn't have been nearly as bad. It's partly because everyone is trying to cause a fumble on plays like these that these harder tackles happen.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Erik W.

I'm more curious what video you're watching. He leapt high enough that his elbow hit the returner in the jaw (which is more than likely what knocked him out).

That pic is what happened after the collison. Slow it down and it shows that wesely lowered his arms and brought them back up before he he leaped into the tackle. No more higher than normal tackles. He was not aiming at the head but the chest which is where his arm made contact. He went finished the tackle like most players do.
Yes his elbow caught Smith's jaw but that was because he was just finishing the hit. He wasnt going for the head. He wasnt even looking where his elbow hit. Its just that Smith wasnt looking either. If the football was there nobody would be complaining.
At the most a penalty because his elbow caught the guys jaw but it doesnt look to me like the player intended to hurt Smith. If he intended to harm Smith he did a pretty poor job. He could have injured the guy a lot worse. An illegal hit but certainly not dirty.

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

They seem to know them all when it comes to the raiders. Tuck rule, Murphy td call back etc. Not saying those were wrong but pretty sure they wouldnt have been called on a lot of other teams. I will always be convinced the tuck play would have never even been reviewed if it been some other tesms. But oh well.

Dont get me started on the tuck rule. The next Madden game was totally unplayable because I would get 4 sacks for my entire defense a year. Yet, have about 7 passes a game where I hit the QB, it flies out and is called Incomplete. Just a bit too often.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by Left-handed Badger

Yet, have about 7 passes a game where I hit the QB, it flies out and is called Incomplete. Just a bit too often.

They're toning that down in the second patch, thankfully.

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by Erik W.

They're toning that down in the second patch, thankfully.

Actually, I was talking about the last version I played (2003, I think). (not so) Nice to know EA has continued their policy of 1 step forward, 3 steps back.


But, I am a bit of a freak, because I am more for realistic gameplay than "the graphics sher look purdy".

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Left-handed Badger

Actually, I was talking about the last version I played (2003, I think). (not so) Nice to know EA has continued their policy of 1 step forward, 3 steps back.


But, I am a bit of a freak, because I am more for realistic gameplay than "the graphics sher look purdy".

You like when they put in scoreboards and the scoreboards didnt work till the next version?