Jay Cutler

jbergey22 · 11-13-2009, 01:16 AM

Will he ever learn? His TD/Int ratio is now 14/17. He has thrown close to 10 red zone ints this year. People compare him to Favre however I cant remember Favre being this careless with sure points.

Also, has a QB ever cost a team more points inside the Red Zone than he has actually scored for the team? Cutler is cutting this very close as well.

And yes I strongly dislike Cutler for those of you that didnt read the preseason Bears/Cutler threads. Of course even I didnt think he was capable of having a first year this bad.

Athletics17 · 11-13-2009, 01:22 AM

He played really bad. I thought for sure he would lead them on a game winning drive just because of how the season is treating my niners. He had a better chance of completing that last pass to Bennet than trying to frce it to Olsen. The bears should have run screen plays the whole night and they probably would have won.

hayesb26 · 11-13-2009, 10:07 AM

ugly, ugly game all around, and he found a way to be the worst part of it. he has these games that are just pathetic, i dont know what the deal is. he is fantastic for halves or even full games, then this..

PotatoPeeler · 11-13-2009, 10:16 AM

If there was ever a guy who deserved a game like that, it's Jay Cutler.

eriqjaffe · 11-13-2009, 10:33 AM

The sad thing is that he's still probably the best quarterback the Bears have had in years.

canadiancreed · 11-13-2009, 10:46 AM

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The sad thing is that he's still probably the best quarterback the Bears have had in years.

At least since 1985 McMahon.

jbergey22 · 11-13-2009, 11:29 AM

You know what is funny to me is that half the ints probably are due to the lack of talent at WR and OL but who's fault is it that he was forced into this situation? And the Broncos are 6-2 he earned this season with his great offseason crybaby act.

Erik W. · 11-13-2009, 11:52 AM

I giggle every time he throws a pick.

My ribs are still sore after last night.

jaxmagicman · 11-13-2009, 11:53 AM

If it makes you happy, he probably just cost my team in Fantasy Football. I have Olsen as my tight end. If he catches that ball, I get 13 points from him. I also have Hester and Gore. So I should be at about 40 points after yesterday. I am only at 29. At least if he got that touchdown I would be at 35 and close to what I should have been.

Erik W. · 11-13-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

If it makes you happy, he probably just cost my team in Fantasy Football. I have Olsen as my tight end. If he catches that ball, I get 13 points from him. I also have Hester and Gore. So I should be at about 40 points after yesterday. I am only at 29. At least if he got that touchdown I would be at 35 and close to what I should have been.

Your failure doesn't make me happy at all.

Cutler's, on the other hand, does.

Athletics17 · 11-13-2009, 01:11 PM

I comparison to Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton, Cutler has more more talent. But Orton can get the job done. Every qb doesn't need to be Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

Slackker · 11-13-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

I giggle every time he throws a pick.

My ribs are still sore after last night.

Likewise.

I am keeping an eye on Johnny Knox, though. He's the player the Bears chose in the 5th round. That pick came from Denver. The first rounder next year freed the Broncos to trade a 2010 1st to Seattle and draft Alphonso Smith. Then.. and this part stings a bit.. the Broncos traded two third rounders (one from the Bears) to Pittsburgh so they could move up and draft Richard Quinn (whatever) and Chicago's old third rounder (now with Pittsburgh) was used to draft Mike Wallace.

At this point.. I do feel like the Bears STILL got the better end of the deal. We'll have to see how Ayers and Smith work out. Orton doesn't excite me. He'll play the Trent Dilfer role, sure.. but I don't think the rest of our team is good enough to drag Orton to a Super Bowl like the Ravens did for Dilfer.

I wouldn't mind Wallace playing #2 WR for us right now, or even Knox as our 3rd or 4th option. I certainly prefer Wallace over Gaffney, Stoke, or .. Richard Quinn.

His Own Bad Self · 11-13-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

You know what is funny to me is that half the ints probably are due to the lack of talent at WR and OL but who's fault is it that he was forced into this situation? And the Broncos are 6-2 he earned this season with his great offseason crybaby act.

Concur re: the WRs and OL being craptacular.

He's obviously talented, but not as talented as he thinks he is, apparently.

TribeFanInNC · 11-13-2009, 10:24 PM

So does this mean it wasn't Rex Grossman's fault all along?

PotatoPeeler · 11-14-2009, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by His Own Bad Self

Concur re: the WRs and OL being craptacular.

He's obviously talented, but not as talented as he thinks he is, apparently.

He's playing exactly like he played last season. When you look past all the yardage, you'll see a slew of bad throws and poor decisions. He thinks he can fit the ball into any opening, but obviously he can't. I certainly don't miss seeing his stupid mistakes in Denver.

Slackker · 11-14-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PotatoPeeler

He's playing exactly like he played last season. When you look past all the yardage, you'll see a slew of bad throws and poor decisions. He thinks he can fit the ball into any opening, but obviously he can't. I certainly don't miss seeing his stupid mistakes in Denver.

I'm not sure I would go quite that far. He's been sacked 8 more times than ALL of last year, and thrown 17 INT already, one shy of his whole 2008 season. He's also fumbled two more times than he did last season.

It boils down to.. the only comparable Bears pass catcher is Greg Olsen. The offensive line, the three wideouts.. all much worse on the Bears. He's bailed out a bit by Forte, but even he is struggling.

The funny thing about that is.. I thought Cutler was best in 2007, as a passer. His scrambling developed a bit for 2008, and our line got better.. so the lack of sacks and the big yardage number really overrates his 2008 season.

His Own Bad Self · 11-14-2009, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

So does this mean it wasn't Rex Grossman's fault all along?

Grossman was fine if he had time to set up the deep ball. It never seemed to me that he could throw effective passes shorter than 10-15 yards.

Not that he was good, but that he could look good if given the chance.

PotatoPeeler · 11-14-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Slackker

I'm not sure I would go quite that far. He's been sacked 8 more times than ALL of last year, and thrown 17 INT already, one shy of his whole 2008 season. He's also fumbled two more times than he did last season.

It boils down to.. the only comparable Bears pass catcher is Greg Olsen. The offensive line, the three wideouts.. all much worse on the Bears. He's bailed out a bit by Forte, but even he is struggling.

The funny thing about that is.. I thought Cutler was best in 2007, as a passer. His scrambling developed a bit for 2008, and our line got better.. so the lack of sacks and the big yardage number really overrates his 2008 season.

Well, that's what I'm saying. He's playing just like he did last year but he's on a much less talented team this year. So it's not surprising that he's struggling because what made him good last year was the team around him, not himself. He was overrated and Denver did the smart thin in trading him while his value was as high as it was ever gonna get.

Left-handed Badger · 11-14-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

You know what is funny to me is that half the ints probably are due to the lack of talent at WR and OL but who's fault is it that he was forced into this situation? And the Broncos are 6-2 he earned this season with his great offseason crybaby act.

Agreed. I love how the crybaby screwed himself out of a sweet situation.

Orton probably wont have any spectacular games that Cutler might have. But, he does seem to have less crappy games too. He seems to be more or less consistently fair to middlin'.

jbergey22 · 11-23-2009, 02:23 AM

Well the savier has now lead his team to a 4-6 record which all but eliminates them from any realistic playoff chance, especially when they still have to play the Vikings twice

11-13-2009, 01:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,031 Thanks: 134 Thanked 126x in 95 posts	Jay Cutler Will he ever learn? His TD/Int ratio is now 14/17. He has thrown close to 10 red zone ints this year. People compare him to Favre however I cant remember Favre being this careless with sure points. Also, has a QB ever cost a team more points inside the Red Zone than he has actually scored for the team? Cutler is cutting this very close as well. And yes I strongly dislike Cutler for those of you that didnt read the preseason Bears/Cutler threads. Of course even I didnt think he was capable of having a first year this bad.

11-13-2009, 01:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
Athletics17 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: jackson Hole, Wy Posts: 1,131 Thanks: 161 Thanked 255x in 207 posts	He played really bad. I thought for sure he would lead them on a game winning drive just because of how the season is treating my niners. He had a better chance of completing that last pass to Bennet than trying to frce it to Olsen. The bears should have run screen plays the whole night and they probably would have won. __________________ LRS-Hyakujuu Shinkansen(2011-) Team Shinkansen.com-For Hyakujuu Shinkansen Official Merchandise

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PotatoPeeler Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 2,929 Thanks: 7 Thanked 17x in 15 posts	If there was ever a guy who deserved a game like that, it's Jay Cutler. __________________ 培傑西 I have never taken a lesson on how to talk on TV in my life. - Tim McCarver If you need a hand, sometimes the best place to look is at the end of your own arm.

11-13-2009, 11:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Montréal Posts: 4,383 Thanks: 10 Thanked 68x in 41 posts	I giggle every time he throws a pick. My ribs are still sore after last night. __________________ Formerly known as Azamien

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jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,481 Thanks: 94 Thanked 357x in 315 posts	If it makes you happy, he probably just cost my team in Fantasy Football. I have Olsen as my tight end. If he catches that ball, I get 13 points from him. I also have Hester and Gore. So I should be at about 40 points after yesterday. I am only at 29. At least if he got that touchdown I would be at 35 and close to what I should have been. __________________ See ID

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hayesb26 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 249 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	ugly, ugly game all around, and he found a way to be the worst part of it. he has these games that are just pathetic, i dont know what the deal is. he is fantastic for halves or even full games, then this..

11-13-2009, 11:29 AM	#7 (permalink)
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,031 Thanks: 134 Thanked 126x in 95 posts	You know what is funny to me is that half the ints probably are due to the lack of talent at WR and OL but who's fault is it that he was forced into this situation? And the Broncos are 6-2 he earned this season with his great offseason crybaby act.

11-13-2009, 01:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
Athletics17 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: jackson Hole, Wy Posts: 1,131 Thanks: 161 Thanked 255x in 207 posts	I comparison to Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton, Cutler has more more talent. But Orton can get the job done. Every qb doesn't need to be Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. __________________ LRS-Hyakujuu Shinkansen(2011-) Team Shinkansen.com-For Hyakujuu Shinkansen Official Merchandise

11-13-2009, 10:24 PM	#14 (permalink)
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,498 Thanks: 86 Thanked 253x in 204 posts	So does this mean it wasn't Rex Grossman's fault all along? __________________ PEBA - Duluth Warriors

11-23-2009, 02:23 AM	#20 (permalink)
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,031 Thanks: 134 Thanked 126x in 95 posts	Well the savier has now lead his team to a 4-6 record which all but eliminates them from any realistic playoff chance, especially when they still have to play the Vikings twice

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