Mauer, Twins Agree to 8 year Deal - Page 2

Splitter24 · 03-22-2010, 06:26 AM

Always risky giving a catcher a lot of money. Hope he stays healthy enough to justify the contract. Of course, he hits enough to play a less demanding position down the road if it comes down to that. Nice to see him staying with the Twins.

Goody · 03-22-2010, 02:16 PM

Good for baseball to have Mauer in one uniform for so many years.

dsvitak · 03-22-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Russ

Studios pay actors from money received from other movies also. I don't know anyone who likes Nicholas Cage movies, but he still gets paid.

Baseball is a multi-billion dollar a year industry. Who should keep the money? The owners? I have no problem with the salaries these guys make. They generate the revenue, they get the money.

I couldn't agree more strongly. Screw the owners. If they could, they would bring back the reserve clause, and pay players 5% of the total revenue.

MorseMoose · 03-22-2010, 08:32 PM

rudel.dietrich · 03-22-2010, 09:36 PM

Does this make him the second highest paid player in the league? I wonder how backloaded this contract is.

molarmite · 03-22-2010, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Does this make him the second highest paid player in the league? I wonder how backloaded this contract is.

I think A-Rod and Jeter is making more and C.C. is making the same amount. I read the contract was exactly 23 each year, but I'm not 100%on that.

Russ · 03-22-2010, 09:51 PM

If you're going by AAV, he's making more than Jeter, same as CC, and less that ARod.

ARod 10/275
CC 7/161
Mauer 8/184
Teixeira 8/180

MorseMoose · 03-22-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Does this make him the second highest paid player in the league? I wonder how backloaded this contract is.

The Twins have a policy of no deferred payments. That doesn't mean they didn't do it here, but I'd suspect not.

rudel.dietrich · 03-22-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

The Twins have a policy of no deferred payments. That doesn't mean they didn't do it here, but I'd suspect not.

I dont think a backloaded contract is the same as deferred money.

RchW · 03-22-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

The Twins have a policy of no deferred payments. That doesn't mean they didn't do it here, but I'd suspect not.

Are you sure about this? The purpose of deferred payments is to lessen the tax burden on the player. I have a hard time imagining any superstar player or his agent who would sign a big contract that does not include deferred payments of some type.

On the team side it is also beneficial as they buy GIC's or annuities or other instruments at a discount to mature 10-20 years down the road and lessen the burden on their in season cash flow.

Is there an article you can reference?

Le Grande Orange · 03-23-2010, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

AInvestment bankers get a salary and bonus dependent on performance directly from their company.

Well, that's the theory. In reality, bonuses have actually very little to do with actual performance.

Le Grande Orange · 03-23-2010, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Russ

Baseball is a multi-billion dollar a year industry. Who should keep the money? The owners? I have no problem with the salaries these guys make. They generate the revenue, they get the money.

Players get about half the revenue MLB generates. But it should be noted that the share of revenue going to the players is not spread evenly. You have a small number of guys at the top making huge amounts of money and a big number of players making far less. (Just compare the spread between average salary and median salary.) If you factor in the minor leagues, then you have an additional huge amount of players making very little money. (Minor league salaries have hardly gone up at all over the last thirty years.)

Russ · 03-23-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Players get about half the revenue MLB generates. But it should be noted that the share of revenue going to the players is not spread evenly. You have a small number of guys at the top making huge amounts of money and a big number of players making far less. (Just compare the spread between average salary and median salary.) If you factor in the minor leagues, then you have an additional huge amount of players making very little money. (Minor league salaries have hardly gone up at all over the last thirty years.)

And people blame these guys for doing steroids?

Russ · 03-23-2010, 06:56 AM

If anyone is inclined to read a lengthy interview, check out this one with the Twins Ass't GM and tell me how the Twins are winning despite their low payrolls:

Over The Baggy: The Twins and statistical analysis

CommishJoe · 03-23-2010, 08:47 AM

Even though it would have been nice to see Mauer in Yankee pinstripes (actually, I think he would have ended up in Boston), I'm VERY glad to see this happen. Mauer deserved to be a Twin for life. Now, the question is will Twins ownership spend enough to put a team around their $20m/year man?

jbergey22 · 03-23-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Russ

If anyone is inclined to read a lengthy interview, check out this one with the Twins Ass't GM and tell me how the Twins are winning despite their low payrolls:

Over The Baggy: The Twins and statistical analysis

They are good at finding value in a player?

They've been this way for years. They get strong leadership from their core players and this fill in the pieces around them.

While other teams are paying millions for that 98 mph fastball the Twins are paying for the guy with a whip in 1.2-1.4 range. They also never ignore defense. While many teams would have no use for a guy like Nick Punto the Twins utilize his strengths to make him a decent player.

And this guy is probably the assistant GM for a reason. He is probably the guy that deals directly with the scouting department while they have another guy that focuses on the sabermetrics of the game.

They must be doing something right and I dont think it is because this guy is calling the shots.

Russ · 03-23-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

They are good at finding value in a player?

They've been this way for years. They get strong leadership from their core players and this fill in the pieces around them.

While other teams are paying millions for that 98 mph fastball the Twins are paying for the guy with a whip in 1.2-1.4 range. They also never ignore defense. While many teams would have no use for a guy like Nick Punto the Twins utilize his strengths to make him a decent player.

And this guy is probably the assistant GM for a reason. He is probably the guy that deals directly with the scouting department while they have another guy that focuses on the sabermetrics of the game.

They must be doing something right and I dont think it is because this guy is calling the shots.

I know. I was just pointing out that this guy's ideas seem to contradict everything the Twins use to be successful.

MorseMoose · 03-23-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Russ

I know. I was just pointing out that this guy's ideas seem to contradict everything the Twins use to be successful.

I thought you were pointing out how the guy didn't seem to know what he was talking about.

Russ · 03-23-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

I thought you were pointing out how the guy didn't seem to know what he was talking about.

He doesn't know what he's talking about.

It was this kind of attitude that got the Twins Delmon Young for Matt Garza.

Jestor · 03-23-2010, 07:02 PM

As a White Sox fan, I hate this news.

As a baseball fan, I love this news.

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