Prevent Defense

BaseballMan · 01-03-2012, 07:32 PM

Time and time again i see teams go into a prevent defense and the other team scores quickly and later tie or win the game. Now i can see it on the last possession. But it doesnt really make teams waste as much time as maybe pre 1978. Why not keep playing the you have, get the ball back and let your offense run the clock down. I would rather get beat with what my team does best than play scared. Which is what it looks like when teams do it with 6-9 minutes left.

turdfurgeson · 01-03-2012, 10:06 PM

It would be interesting to see how many times it actually is effective. Where at least the team does not come back and tie or win or whatever.

I think anyone who has watched football has heard a commentator say "A prevent defense only prevents you from winning". And those time stand out way more than the times when the losing team just runs out of time.

I think in football many coaches are afraid to go out of conventional wisdom because it opens them up to criticism. They point it out everytime some one goes for it on 4th down in a dicey situation. The failures stand out, the successes recede into faded memory. I could probably name a few 4th down attempts that failed, and still get brought up. The successes usually do not get brought up as much. Maybe because if it succeeds more plays usually need to be made.... and failure is a punctuation.

MorseMoose · 01-03-2012, 11:28 PM

Prevent defense prevents...you...from winning.

Goody · 01-04-2012, 02:00 AM

Perhaps the blame lays more on the offensive side. If you are ahead by more than one touchdown and your defense makes them burn time but they eventually score...why can't the offense counter and either run out the rest of the clock or score again. So many times when this happens, its 3 and out because they're just focused on running the clock. That's also a form of "mis-guided prevention".

Cryomaniac · 01-04-2012, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Goody

Perhaps the blame lays more on the offensive side. If you are ahead by more than one touchdown and your defense makes them burn time but they eventually score...why can't the offense counter and either run out the rest of the clock or score again. So many times when this happens, its 3 and out because they're just focused on running the clock. That's also a form of "mis-guided prevention".

That might be because coaches don't want to be accused of running up the score, which is frankly ludicrous.

Ragnar · 01-04-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by turdfurgeson

I think in football many coaches are afraid to go out of conventional wisdom because it opens them up to criticism. They point it out everytime some one goes for it on 4th down in a dicey situation. The failures stand out, the successes recede into faded memory. I could probably name a few 4th down attempts that failed, and still get brought up. The successes usually do not get brought up as much. Maybe because if it succeeds more plays usually need to be made.... and failure is a punctuation.

I think this is more likely the reason. Because no one is questioned when they lose using conventional wisdom. The 4th down play against the Colts by the Patriots comes to mind. They did not get it and lost as a result. That was not ok but it would have been perfectly fine to punt and lose that way.

I agreed with the call. They had roughly 2 yards for a first to win the game. If I were a Colts fan I was happy with the result but not the choice. Any Colts fan wanted them to punt.

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 01-04-2012, 12:36 PM

You remember the failures of a prevent defense a lot more than the successes. How many times do teams fail to come back in the 4th quarter? Probably a lot more often than you're giving credit for.

mrcoach00 · 01-04-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Time and time again i see teams go into a prevent defense and the other team scores quickly and later tie or win the game. Now i can see it on the last possession. But it doesnt really make teams waste as much time as maybe pre 1978. Why not keep playing the you have, get the ball back and let your offense run the clock down. I would rather get beat with what my team does best than play scared. Which is what it looks like when teams do it with 6-9 minutes left.

The prevent defense is the inaccurate QB's best friend.

They say that a pulled in infield increases the batting average of player some 100 points or so. I think the prevent defense raises a QB's quarterback rating about the same amount. (see tim Tebow.)

waltwa · 01-31-2012, 11:32 PM

A prevent defense is the best defense when the situation in right.

You are up by 6 points and a minute left to go and u get into a prevent- You're fired!

You are up by 6 pts and 1 play to go and u decide to play a reg def at reg depth and the other team throws a bomb and scores- you're fired.

I coached for 30 years and got into prevent d in various gmes and it never backfired but in my mind it wasn't the defense but rather the situation in which u played it that was important.

Syd Thrift · 01-31-2012, 11:34 PM

Yeah, people don't understand what a prevent is and call any loose zone run late in a game a prevent. It's not.

damientheomen3 · 02-01-2012, 12:23 AM

I thought this was going to be a thread about Roger Goodell's policies on defenseless players and such.

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BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,536 Thanks: 8 Thanked 90x in 60 posts	Prevent Defense Time and time again i see teams go into a prevent defense and the other team scores quickly and later tie or win the game. Now i can see it on the last possession. But it doesnt really make teams waste as much time as maybe pre 1978. Why not keep playing the you have, get the ball back and let your offense run the clock down. I would rather get beat with what my team does best than play scared. Which is what it looks like when teams do it with 6-9 minutes left.

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Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: PA Posts: 3,222 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 397 Thanked 164x in 118 posts	Perhaps the blame lays more on the offensive side. If you are ahead by more than one touchdown and your defense makes them burn time but they eventually score...why can't the offense counter and either run out the rest of the clock or score again. So many times when this happens, its 3 and out because they're just focused on running the clock. That's also a form of "mis-guided prevention". __________________ Sent from my desktop computer using a web browser.

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01-03-2012, 10:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
turdfurgeson Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 410 Thanks: 11 Thanked 18x in 15 posts	It would be interesting to see how many times it actually is effective. Where at least the team does not come back and tie or win or whatever. I think anyone who has watched football has heard a commentator say "A prevent defense only prevents you from winning". And those time stand out way more than the times when the losing team just runs out of time. I think in football many coaches are afraid to go out of conventional wisdom because it opens them up to criticism. They point it out everytime some one goes for it on 4th down in a dicey situation. The failures stand out, the successes recede into faded memory. I could probably name a few 4th down attempts that failed, and still get brought up. The successes usually do not get brought up as much. Maybe because if it succeeds more plays usually need to be made.... and failure is a punctuation.

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waltwa All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 636 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6x in 5 posts	A prevent defense is the best defense when the situation in right. You are up by 6 points and a minute left to go and u get into a prevent- You're fired! You are up by 6 pts and 1 play to go and u decide to play a reg def at reg depth and the other team throws a bomb and scores- you're fired. I coached for 30 years and got into prevent d in various gmes and it never backfired but in my mind it wasn't the defense but rather the situation in which u played it that was important.