Mariners and Yankees: Pineda for Montero?

Goody · 01-14-2012, 07:08 AM

Mariners, Yanks nearing Michael Pineda, Jesus Montero swap | MLB.com: News

Wow! I don't know what to think of this one.

It seems like a potential good trade for both teams. Yankees already have a catcher/s. Mariners have a lot of Starting Pitching trying to come up.

A prospect for prospect trade, but at least Pineda has some major league "proof" of his talent.

Yankees trades make me nervous, but then again the M's did get Jay Buhner from them.

The Mariners have never had a good hitting catcher, really. Dave Valle and Dan Wilson were good field generals who would be lucky to get .260/10/60. So that makes it exciting. Would miss Pineda though, its so fun to watch him pitch. He's almost in the batter's lap by the time he releases the ball.

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Though the teams have not officially announced the trade, Seattle would send Pineda and Minor League pitcher Jose Campos to the Yankees for Montero and 24-year-old right-hander Hector Noesi.

Goody · 01-14-2012, 07:15 AM

And this would be ten times better way to get a bat than going for Prince Fielder. Love it!

cheech411 · 01-14-2012, 09:43 AM

yanks need a sp seattle needs hitters!!

Goody · 01-14-2012, 10:15 AM

Its hard to say you don't want Prince Fielder in your line up, especially when you have Seattle's offensive stats over the past couple years. But I also want to have faith in Smoak and Carp. Smoak is a switch hitter with a beautiful swing. Carp...we've seen him just blast the ball since he lost weight.

Montero's defensive scouting report is a bit of a concern though.

I almost want Texas to waste even more money on Fielder. He'd be easier to defense against than Texas's current 1B/DH's. Texas has been good at small ball which is a genius move for Ron Washington to play that way in the AL West when needed despite his line up.

Qwerty75 · 01-14-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Goody

Its hard to say you don't want Prince Fielder in your line up, especially when you have Seattle's offensive stats over the past couple years. But I also want to have faith in Smoak and Carp. Smoak is a switch hitter with a beautiful swing. Carp...we've seen him just blast the ball since he lost weight.

Montero's defensive scouting report is a bit of a concern though.

I almost want Texas to waste even more money on Fielder. He'd be easier to defense against than Texas's current 1B/DH's. Texas has been good at small ball which is a genius move for Ron Washington to play that way in the AL West when needed despite his line up.

Nobody thinks Montero will stick at C, just as Miguel Cabrera wasn't going to last at 3B. His future is at DH if Smoak is around to man 1B.

CommishJoe · 01-18-2012, 09:10 AM

Montero probably won't be able to stick at C, but they probably said the same thing about Piazza. Should be interesting to see how Montero grows. I'm sad to see him go, but I think Romine/Cervelli had a leg up on the backup C job and with all the age on the team, they should leave the DH door open for resting their vets.

Let's not forget about the other 2 players dealt. Noesi looked pretty good for the Yankees. I think that, in time, he could be a middle of the rotation starter for Seattle. Anyone have any info on Campos? I read an article that they think he's a young Pineda. A lot of scouts are high on this kid.

Goody · 02-03-2012, 10:17 PM

And now I totally understand the reason the Mariners went with SP Danny Hultzen instead of that hitter everyone thought they'd chose in the draft. I think they had this deal or something similar in mind all along. Montero is more proven than that guy from the draft who had injury problems. And Pineda only has 2 good pitches...the best of which is the slider (one of the highest stress pitches physically). I think Pineda is high risk because he's a power pitcher with a limited arsenal. But his change has been getting better, and his body shape alludes to longevity.

Pineda was brought along fast, nobody expected him to be in the starting rotation so early. I think he was trade bait all along.

Syd Thrift · 02-03-2012, 10:36 PM

His change better get better. It was terrible last season. Fangraphs had it only getting over the plate about half the time, and then when it did get over it got mashed.

At this point, it's basically as though he's only throwing the two pitches. It is a significant question mark as to whether or not he can develop that third pitch. Not as big of a question mark as whether or not Montero can stay at catcher (maybe that's a smaller question mark since the word on the street is "probably not"), but I think the reason why I like the trade in the end is that, well, TINSTAAPP. Piniero could very easily never get better than he is now, even without injuries, and in 3 years time he could be a high leverage relief pitcher. If that happens, even if Montero's a DH the M's come out ahead.

Goody · 02-03-2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

His change better get better. It was terrible last season. Fangraphs had it only getting over the plate about half the time, and then when it did get over it got mashed.

At this point, it's basically as though he's only throwing the two pitches. It is a significant question mark as to whether or not he can develop that third pitch. Not as big of a question mark as whether or not Montero can stay at catcher (maybe that's a smaller question mark since the word on the street is "probably not"), but I think the reason why I like the trade in the end is that, well, TINSTAAPP. Piniero could very easily never get better than he is now, even without injuries, and in 3 years time he could be a high leverage relief pitcher. If that happens, even if Montero's a DH the M's come out ahead.

Agree with everything said.

And only an M's follower would typo Piniero for Pineda.

Syd Thrift · 02-03-2012, 11:39 PM

wups lol

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CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,009 Thanks: 30 Thanked 69x in 40 posts	Montero probably won't be able to stick at C, but they probably said the same thing about Piazza. Should be interesting to see how Montero grows. I'm sad to see him go, but I think Romine/Cervelli had a leg up on the backup C job and with all the age on the team, they should leave the DH door open for resting their vets. Let's not forget about the other 2 players dealt. Noesi looked pretty good for the Yankees. I think that, in time, he could be a middle of the rotation starter for Seattle. Anyone have any info on Campos? I read an article that they think he's a young Pineda. A lot of scouts are high on this kid. __________________ Joe Question to fiance -- How much do you love me? Answer -- So much that we can get our legs tied together, walking 3 legged for the rest of our lives and I'd love it.

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01-14-2012, 07:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: PA Posts: 3,222 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 397 Thanked 164x in 118 posts	And this would be ten times better way to get a bat than going for Prince Fielder. Love it!

01-14-2012, 10:15 AM	#4 (permalink)
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: PA Posts: 3,222 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 397 Thanked 164x in 118 posts	Its hard to say you don't want Prince Fielder in your line up, especially when you have Seattle's offensive stats over the past couple years. But I also want to have faith in Smoak and Carp. Smoak is a switch hitter with a beautiful swing. Carp...we've seen him just blast the ball since he lost weight. Montero's defensive scouting report is a bit of a concern though. I almost want Texas to waste even more money on Fielder. He'd be easier to defense against than Texas's current 1B/DH's. Texas has been good at small ball which is a genius move for Ron Washington to play that way in the AL West when needed despite his line up.

02-03-2012, 10:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: PA Posts: 3,222 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 397 Thanked 164x in 118 posts	And now I totally understand the reason the Mariners went with SP Danny Hultzen instead of that hitter everyone thought they'd chose in the draft. I think they had this deal or something similar in mind all along. Montero is more proven than that guy from the draft who had injury problems. And Pineda only has 2 good pitches...the best of which is the slider (one of the highest stress pitches physically). I think Pineda is high risk because he's a power pitcher with a limited arsenal. But his change has been getting better, and his body shape alludes to longevity. Pineda was brought along fast, nobody expected him to be in the starting rotation so early. I think he was trade bait all along.