Pretty Boy, Brady denied again...

[dcpcarmona]

and that makes me smile...

[MorseMoose]

Originally Posted by dcpcarmona

and that makes me smile...

Somehow...I don't think he's too heartbroken over this.

7× Pro Bowl (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011)
2× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010)
1× Second-team All-Pro (2005)
3× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX)
2× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII)
5× AFC Champion (2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2011)
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2005)
Sporting News Sportsman of the Year (2004, 2007)
AP Male Athlete of the Year (2007)
2× AP NFL MVP (2007, 2010)
2× AP NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010)
3× AFC Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010, 2011)
NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009)
New England Patriots All-time leader
(Passing touchdowns)
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team

[rudel.dietrich]

I think he is pretty heartbroken. And that is what makes him the best QB of this generation. He wants to win every single one of them.

[SWardle]

This is a totally facetious (and inside joke) question so do not answer and turn this into an OTD thread, but the OP is incomplete. We need your political affiliation so we can start a thread titled "Why does the _left/right_ hate Tom Brady?"

I used to dislike Brady because I felt he was overrated and while I still think he is overrated, I think pretty much every QB is overrated. I started to warm up to Brady when I heard him giving credit to his offensive line and the NE scheme. Two things that make or break every QB and Brady admits that he couldn't have accomplished one quarter of what he has done without them. I can't hate him because fans wish to claim "TOM BRADY WON THREE SUPERBOWLS!" and believe football is a one man sport.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by SWardle

This is a totally facetious (and inside joke) question so do not answer and turn this into an OTD thread, but the OP is incomplete. We need your political affiliation so we can start a thread titled "Why does the _left/right_ hate Tom Brady?"

I used to dislike Brady because I felt he was overrated and while I still think he is overrated, I think pretty much every QB is overrated. I started to warm up to Brady when I heard him giving credit to his offensive line and the NE scheme. Two things that make or break every QB and Brady admits that he couldn't have accomplished one quarter of what he has done without them. I can't hate him because fans wish to claim "TOM BRADY WON THREE SUPERBOWLS!" and believe football is a one man sport.

I agree with it all. I have been a Cowboys fan since the mid 70's and people use to laugh when I said I did not think Aikman was HOF.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by MorseMoose

Somehow...I don't think he's too heartbroken over this.

7× Pro Bowl (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011)
2× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010)
1× Second-team All-Pro (2005)
3× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX)
2× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII)
5× AFC Champion (2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2011)
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2005)
Sporting News Sportsman of the Year (2004, 2007)
AP Male Athlete of the Year (2007)
2× AP NFL MVP (2007, 2010)
2× AP NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010)
3× AFC Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010, 2011)
NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009)
New England Patriots All-time leader
(Passing touchdowns)
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team

Any competitor would trade all except the bold for that SB win. LOL!!! Male athlete this, sporting news sportsman that, all time leader, sports illustrated.......all that means nothing compared to a championship. His purpose is to win the SB, not show off his many pro bowl appearances.

He is 0-2 against the Giants and it has to hurt.

[damientheomen3]

As much as I hate Brady (being a Jets fan and all) I would never let that jade my view of him as a player. With Peyton out of the equation, Brady's the best QB in the NFL (I give him the edge over Brees because Brady's receiving corps isn't as good as Brees' from my analysis, but the two are worlds different as QBs and are in another class ahead of all others [Peyton notwithstanding]), and while I find championship wins to be an absolutely horrible determinant of skill in any sport (especially basketball, but that's another discussion), Brady's great performance when it mattered in those games can't be ignored. He's a Hall of Famer and one of the 15 best QBs of all time (if I sat here and thought it out, I could maybe put him top 10, but I don't want to take the time to do that).

oh and BREES GOT SO JIPPED FOR THE MVP THAT WAS ABSOLUTE BULL****

My friend's going to get a custom made #12 GB jersey that says 'System' under the name. I might get one as well.

[SWardle]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Any competitor would trade all except the bold for that SB win. LOL!!! Male athlete this, sporting news sportsman that, all time leader, sports illustrated.......all that means nothing compared to a championship. His purpose is to win the SB, not show off his many pro bowl appearances.

He is 0-2 against the Giants and it has to hurt.

I guess I was never a competitor because I would rather have Dan Marino's career than Trent Dilfer or Mark Rypien's.

I've never really bought into the individual awards mean nothing. To me, there is value in personally being the best. Sure, I'd love to win a title but if I had the choice of being a crappy role player on a great team or to be great myself... I'd choose to be great.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by damientheomen3

oh and BREES GOT SO JIPPED FOR THE MVP THAT WAS ABSOLUTE BULL****

You must have forgotten that Aaron Rodgers was the best player in football this year that put his team in position that he didnt even need to play in the final game of the regular season to keep accumulating meaningless stats like Brees was doing.

Brees, Rodgers, Brady, and the Mannings are all good and having to choose between any of them is very difficult but I clearly think the MVP went to the right person. I dont think the MVP should be decided on counting stats when Rodgers was more efficient and was the main clog on a 15-1 team.

Id actually put Brady #2. This is probably the least talented team he has been on and he carried that team for most of the season.

Brees threw 155 more passes than Rodgers to get them extra 800 yards. Rodgers TD/Int ration was 45/6 compared to 46/14 for Brees. Im not sure why Rodgers should be penalized for being too good.

[Kobie]

Originally Posted by MorseMoose

Somehow...I don't think he's too heartbroken over this.

7× Pro Bowl (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011)
2× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010)
1× Second-team All-Pro (2005)
3× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX)
2× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII)
5× AFC Champion (2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2011)
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2005)
Sporting News Sportsman of the Year (2004, 2007)
AP Male Athlete of the Year (2007)
2× AP NFL MVP (2007, 2010)
2× AP NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010)
3× AFC Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010, 2011)
NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009)
New England Patriots All-time leader
(Passing touchdowns)
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team

Banging Gisele Bundchen

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

You must have forgotten that Aaron Rodgers was the best player in football this year that put his team in position that he didnt even need to play in the final game of the regular season to keep accumulating meaningless stats like Brees was doing.

Brees, Rodgers, Brady, and the Mannings are all good and having to choose between any of them is very difficult but I clearly think the MVP went to the right person. I dont think the MVP should be decided on counting stats when Rodgers was more efficient and was the main clog on a 15-1 team.

I think that Matt Flynn in game 16 proved that Rodgers' stats were a product of the system, and nothing more. Not putting Rodgers down, as he's certainly the third best QB in the NFL, but Brees is in a class ahead of the rest of the NFL right now at QB along with Brady (not counting Peyton since we haven't seen him play recently). Rodgers had the greatest receiving corps in the history of the NFL in my opinion, and it didn't matter if he played or not, his team was dominant. Brees had some struggles early on and New Orleans took time to get up to speed; but when they heated up, it was because Brees got back to Brees level. He was the reason that that team was able to get to 13-3, whereas the Pack is ~12-4 or 11-5 with an average QB imo.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by damientheomen3

I think that Matt Flynn in game 16 proved that Rodgers' stats were a product of the system, and nothing more. Not putting Rodgers down, as he's certainly the third best QB in the NFL, but Brees is in a class ahead of the rest of the NFL right now at QB along with Brady (not counting Peyton since we haven't seen him play recently). Rodgers had the greatest receiving corps in the history of the NFL in my opinion, and it didn't matter if he played or not, his team was dominant. Brees had some struggles early on and New Orleans took time to get up to speed; but when they heated up, it was because Brees got back to Brees level. He was the reason that that team was able to get to 13-3, whereas the Pack is ~12-4 or 11-5 with an average QB imo.

Im not going to argue too much with this because you do make a lot of great points. Just keep in mind that Brees is much better at home and probably the best qb in the NFL at home however on the road he has games where he just isnt the same Brees.

His home QB rating this year was 122.4 with 29tds/6 ints. His road QB rating was 100.7 with a 17/8 ratio. Still good but hes a better player at home and we are forgetting some of the games he had earlier in the season on the road that put the Saints in the position to need to win games in December.

I dont think Rodgers is a product of the system either but Im not going to argue that. Rodgers is dominant. He doesnt deserve to be punished because the Packers have a capable backup QB while the Saints dont.

And the "system" didnt do so well when he missed most of the game in 2010. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_y...id=20101212008

[JWay]

To say that Drew Brees is in a class of himself, while stating that Rodgers is a system QB is ridiculous. Sean Payton carries Drew Brees. Him and Sproles/Ingram/Thomas/Graham/Colston/Moore/Henderson/Meachem

[damientheomen3]

I think seeing Sproles' effectiveness as a receiver in San Diego compared to New Orleans shows well enough the Brees effect. Graham, Moore, and Colston were all late draft picks who in my opinion are made to look much better than they are by Brees, Henderson really developed into what he is with Brees as his QB, and Meachem was a first rounder, sure, but I'd say he's the least impactful of the five I've just delved into, all things considered. To say that those guys help Brees more than Brees helps them is ridiculous.

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Im not going to argue too much with this because you do make a lot of great points. Just keep in mind that Brees is much better at home and probably the best qb in the NFL at home however on the road he has games where he just isnt the same Brees.

His home QB rating this year was 122.4 with 29tds/6 ints. His road QB rating was 100.7 with a 17/8 ratio. Still good but hes a better player at home and we are forgetting some of the games he had earlier in the season on the road that put the Saints in the position to need to win games in December.

I dont think Rodgers is a product of the system either but Im not going to argue that. Rodgers is dominant. He doesnt deserve to be punished because the Packers have a capable backup QB while the Saints dont.

And the "system" didnt do so well when he missed most of the game in 2010. Lions edge Packers 7-3 after knocking out Rodgers - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

And then it did just fine when Flynn started a game against the Pats (sure the team lost, but Flynn had a great game). Green Bay Packers at New England Patriots - December 19th, 2010 - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Again, I hope I don't sound like I'm off-putting Rodgers more than I'm talking Brees up here. Brees and Rodgers are the two great distributor QBs in the NFL, but Brees, at the same time, has the ability to make his receivers look better than they really are with his knowledge and ability in ball placement and such, a skill I believe is only possessed by him, Brady and Eli in today's NFL.

[Slackker]

Flynn may wind up being good, but Flynn having one or two good games proves Rodgers is a system quarterback?! That's like saying that Caleb Hanie proved this year that Jay Cutler belongs in the Hall of Fame.

And what do I win for mentioning sample size for the 100,000th time on the TS forum?

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by Slackker

Flynn may wind up being good, but Flynn having one or two good games proves Rodgers is a system quarterback?! That's like saying that Caleb Hanie proved this year that Jay Cutler belongs in the Hall of Fame.

And what do I win for mentioning sample size for the 100,000th time on the TS forum?

Hanie played with a terrible offensive line and a team of receivers that Blaine Gabbert would scoff at over in Jacksonville, but Cutler makes it work. Flynn on the other hand has come in to a team with enough great pass catchers for 3 teams and a very good offensive line and performed as well as Rodgers has. The fact that Flynn can plug-and-play into the offense and they don't miss a beat means that either Flynn is really good or he's a product of the system. I'd personally lean towards the latter.

[cephasjames]

I think all great QBs are a product of the system they're in. Brady even mentioned that in an interview last night. He was asked if he'd have been as good under any other coach and he said 'no.' I think their greatness helps shape that system but if they are not in the system they're in then they will not be as good.

[damientheomen3]

Well when I mention 'system' I don't mean the actual system, moreso the talent level of the players around the quarterback, as I alluded to in my previous post.

[cephasjames]

Yep, and I still stand by what I said. We can tell when even great QBs are not surrounded by a good system. They improved a bad system, yes. But sometimes even great QBs cannot overcome weaknesses in a system.