Allow me to clear my KC throat!

ForeverRoyalKC · 01-15-2017, 11:56 PM

After watching a dismal, pathetic playoff loss by my Chiefs to the Steelers, let me exercise my right to vent. I have been thru the "laughing stock" days of the late 1970's Chiefs. I have been thru the 1986 "Holy Crap, we're in the playoffs!" loss to the New York Jets. I have been thru the "5 year plan" of Marty Schottenheimer and the great Joe Montana, Marcus Allen, Derrick Thomas teams. I have been thru Herm Edwards and the vision of playoff resurrection by signing Ty Law and intercepting Peyton Manning twice in Indy. I have been thru Dick Vermeil's "He took the Eagles to the Super Bowl, he took the Rams to the Super Bowl, surely he can take....etc., etc., etc." I have been thru the "Scott Pioli and the Patriot Way" era. And now....the "He usually folds in the playoffs" Andy Reid era.

*S-I-G-H*

The Chiefs have had two home field advantages and blew them both. They have been the number 1 seed, the number 2 seed, wild card positions and blew ALL of them! They have lost at home and on the road. They have lost now by giving up SIX field goals while scoring TWO touchdowns (which has never, ever happened before). And just in case anyone points out the Fisher hold on the two point conversion, you STILL should be winning handily when holding a team to six field goals!

I. Have. Had. Enough. My Kansas City Chiefs....the pre-2016 Chicago Cubs of playoff seasons.

I turn in my Chiefs card. My Arrowhead card. My Chiefs Kingdom card.

Done.

PotatoPeeler · 01-16-2017, 12:01 AM

A true fan.

ForeverRoyalKC · 01-16-2017, 12:23 AM

Yeah, Potato...I'm way out on a limb here.

I have about froze to death in the late 70's as I sat in a nearly empty Arrowhead while the crappy Seahawks blasted the Chiefs. I have had sore throats from cheering and even told people that if I ever had open heart surgery, my blood would be red and yellow and they wouldn't stitch me up, they would have to "lace me up."

So let me put it this way as someone, like many others who put their money and time out on a team... if you go to an inferior store or buy an inferior product and they can't get their act together, you quit buying their products and quit patronizing their store.

BaseballMan · 01-16-2017, 12:49 AM

I lived with an inferior product from the raiders for the last 20 years minus the gruden years. When they get back to the playoffs they lose with a 3rd string qb to one of the worst offenses.
Dont let the loss get to you.

Orcin · 01-16-2017, 09:19 AM

Great rant! As a Houston fan, I can feel your pain.

Rain King · 01-16-2017, 09:32 AM

It is hard to win championships.

RchW · 01-16-2017, 10:00 AM

Those of us living in and around Toronto know sadness embarrassment and futility for the last 23 seasons of baseball and 50 years of hockey. In the last 15 months the Jays have teased us, the Raptors have hit the NBA superstar ceiling and the Leafs are an entertaining watch but by no means close to anything. Toronto FC came within a penalty kick of a championship yet the product, league wide, remains laughably poor IMO. We don't have the NFL but geographical proximity to the mind-numbing joke of the Buffalo Bills just adds more angst to our sports burden.

Question. Is consistent success without championships; meaning that you will lose sometimes devastatingly almost every year, better than a cycle of occasional championships followed by playoff misses and rebuilds. I vote for the former, but if the Raptors and Jays can't do it soon I'll change that position.

mirrf · 01-16-2017, 10:01 AM

As an Oakland A's fan and a Washington Redskins fan, I get you. I have felt that way on multiple occasions and always crawled back next season.

Déjà Bru · 01-16-2017, 10:06 AM

Yes, no championships since 1970 is hard to take. Worse than what Knicks fans are putting up with: 1973.

I find myself in the same mood as ForeverRoyalKC with my rants in this thread. As a matter of fact, I am going there next to post another "I've had it" message.

But that's my point: I keep going back there.

ForeverRoyalKC will not want to hear this today but I have a feeling that he will be taking back his Chiefs card someday. If he were a bandwagon fan, maybe he could turn his back. Somebody who has been following a team since the 1970s will find it hard not to take a peek once in a while.

ohiodevil · 01-16-2017, 10:50 AM

Try being a Cleveland Browns fan.......

Airdrop01 · 01-16-2017, 10:55 AM

I was at that game (as with pretty much all of them). We've got a sweet set of seats on the Club Level and I've been going since Bobby Bell days (back then I just got whatever I could get!).

Great crowd. Great game. Seriously, if you objectively look at it, that team as a whole, did about as much as they possibly could with what they had given the devastating injuries they've had.

Also, I'm a coach and I never ever blame umpires or officials for losses. That said, Harrison slipped, is about 8" shorter than Fisher, and it looked way worse than it was at the end. Also, when that isn't called the entire game (how many times Chiefs got tackled on Bell runs or Kelce got bulldozed when the ball was half way to him I can't count), it's not cool to call it when they did. But, I also saw plenty of holds the other way too, where KC players were holding or interfering (though 17 and 7 for the Steelers need to realize receiver can be hit when a ball is tipped, there is no such thing as PI anymore), which goes to the point that the officials weren't biased, but rather that the end of game hold call shouldn't have been made.

Anyway, the point is Reid called a good game. The Steelers were just better. The Chiefs hung around, and yes, by all rights they should have been tied with 2:00 to go. But, that's the game. If you don't want that to happen, then you've got 58:00 before that to keep it from being in position where a questionable call kills you.

#ChiefsKingdom baby!

ForeverRoyalKC · 01-16-2017, 01:22 PM

Ohiodevil, I take a back seat to you. AT LEAST, at the very least, we have two Super Bowl appearances with one win. The Browns and their fans don't even know what a Super Bowl is! No disrespect, I mean that tongue in cheek. But...I am 48 years old and was three when the Chiefs won Super Bowl IV. So, personally, I don't know what it feels like either.

DejaBru, I imagine I will take back my Chiefs card when they actually MAKE the Super Bowl. But to tell you the God's honest truth....if the Chiefs would've won with that performance last night by barely escaping the Steelers, the Patriots would've tore them apart. I have zero doubts on that. I seriously dont see them in the playoffs next year due to a BRUTAL schedule. The Steelers come back to Arrowhead and they have to go to the Cowboys, Giants and ......... Patriots.

Might be a LOOOOOONG time before the Chiefs find themselves at a number 2 seed again!

ohiodevil · 01-16-2017, 01:43 PM

No worries ForeverRoyalKC.....I completely understand your pain and why you went on your rant. I am 41 and I started to notice football in the early 80's, when the famous "Red Right 88" play in the 1980 playoffs was still fresh in Browns fans memories, and of course "The Drive" and "The Fumble" to go along with the other playoff losses from 1985-1989....then the moving of the team in 1995 and our "return" in 1999....where the team has had just TWO winning seasons (one playoff appearance) since then. So coming from a Browns fan....hang in there.....the sting is there, but it will pass once the season starts. I wish you guys could have knocked out the Steelers....nothing makes me happier than watching them lose.

kenyan_cheena · 01-16-2017, 03:35 PM

Since '95, they've hosted four divisional playoff games as a top two seed (had a bye in wildcard week) and lost all of them, by a combined total of 16 points.

thehef · 01-17-2017, 12:24 AM

Long-suffering Dolphins fan here...

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverRoyalKC

"He usually folds in the playoffs" Andy Reid era.

Just wanted to chime in that I'm sure it wasn't anything that Andy Reid did or did not do that caused all of those dropped passes. He coached a 12-4 team. Without the drops, everything likely falls into place and Chiefs probably score 24 or 31 points, and then book a flight to Foxboro.

Not that that would make you feel any better. But it sure isn't Andy Reid's fault the Chiefs lost.

This leads me to Schottenheimer. Several years ago he was rumored to be in the hunt as new coach for the Dolphins. Probably six or eight years ago. I was thinking, "Hell yes! That guy's a winner!" You can't win the Super Bowl without first making the playoffs, and guys like Reid and Shottenheimer (when he was coaching) simply take teams to the playoffs. Repeatedly. They don't somehow forget how to put together a game plan when it's the playoffs. But sometimes bad luck strikes, the ball bounces funny, or guys like Elway and Brady happen. By definition, bad luck isn't distributed evenly. Some guys, Andy & Marty for two, have gotten more than their fare share of it.

But if I'm running a team, I'd take Andy now in a heartbeat (and would've taken Marty back in his day).

DamPenguin · 01-17-2017, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ohiodevil

Try being a Cleveland Browns fan.......

Or Lions fan

Déjà Bru · 01-17-2017, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohiodevil

No worries ForeverRoyalKC.....I completely understand your pain and why you went on your rant. I am 41 and I started to notice football in the early 80's, when the famous "Red Right 88" play in the 1980 playoffs was still fresh in Browns fans memories, and of course "The Drive" and "The Fumble" to go along with the other playoff losses from 1985-1989....then the moving of the team in 1995 and our "return" in 1999....where the team has had just TWO winning seasons (one playoff appearance) since then. So coming from a Browns fan....hang in there.....the sting is there, but it will pass once the season starts. I wish you guys could have knocked out the Steelers....nothing makes me happier than watching them lose.

Wow. Every professional team has famous bad plays in their history but yours seem to have more than usual. I was curious about "Red Right 88" and looked it up in Wikipedia. In that article, it lists a bunch of other famous Cleveland bloopers and bad news!

Quote:

The play call itself ["Red Right 88"] has since become an infamous part of Cleveland sports lore, ranking with The Drive, The Fumble, The Catch, Off Nagy's Glove, The Shot, The Decision, and The Move as a bad memory that symbolizes the 52-year professional championship drought that had plagued the city, until the Cleveland Cavaliers won the 2016 NBA Finals.

So, ForeverRoyalKC, is all of this making you feel any better?

buckeye22 · 01-18-2017, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamPenguin

Or Lions fan

This.

I was 4 the last time we won a playoff game. I'm turning 30 this year. I'm not talking championship....I'm talking ANY playoff game.

I was 6 the last time we won a division. We have banners celebrating our wild card berths.

I watched BOTH Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson retire in their primes, deciding that giving away money and potential records was better than risking injury for a team they knew weren't going to win. I find it hard to actually blame them.

I'd KILL to be a Chiefs fan right now...........

Cobra Mgr · 01-18-2017, 09:06 AM

I think every sports fan should see his team win a title once in their lifetime.

I never drop a team because they lose. I drop them if they aren't trying to win (Braves when they went corporate), if I don't like the ownership (Hornets v1.0), or if I get fed up w/the behavior of the players (Seahawks mid-late 90's, Panthers briefly during the Carruth era). I find I actually enjoy the games more when I don't have a favorite team.

I think the closest I can get to that Cheifs/Browns etc feeling in my UNC Tar Heels in football. I've never expected them to win the NCAA title. But I think the ACC championship isn't too much to ask. But they haven't since 1980, back when Lawrence Taylor was on campus. They always come up short. Lose a game they should've won. The phantom offsides on the onside kick last year hurt. Keldorf's turnover @ VIrginia. The shutout loss @ home to FSU when both were top 5. Now 2 NCAA investigations that have been going on for what seems like a decade now.

So I feel for ya. I honestly feel Reid & Smith will never lead a team to a trophy. They will always win more than they lose. But like my Heels, they don't have what it takes to get over the hump.

ForeverRoyalKC · 01-18-2017, 12:15 PM

I sympathize with all the fans that don't know what Super Bowls are (Lions, Browns, etc.) but I fear Reid will be like Vermeil. In Kansas City, when Vermeil was hired, the city was on it's toes! The Super Bowl was almost automatic! I mean he took the Eagles, then the Rams, why not the Chiefs?! Our outlook on Schottenheimer was pretty optimistic even thought he never took a team to the Super Bowl, we thought the TEAM could do it for him, so to speak. Then came the "Patriot Way" Pioli era. And again, the town was thinking Super Bowls. I mean he was part of those Patriot Super Bowls wins! And he brought Mike Vrabel with him. We also hired both Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis to run the defense and offense, hell...how could we NOT go to the Super Bowl?!

Now comes Andy Reid. He took the Eagles to a Super Bowl. Why cant he take ....aw, skip it!

01-15-2017, 11:56 PM	#1
ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Stockton Lake, MO. Posts: 1,128 Blog Entries: 3	Allow me to clear my KC throat! After watching a dismal, pathetic playoff loss by my Chiefs to the Steelers, let me exercise my right to vent. I have been thru the "laughing stock" days of the late 1970's Chiefs. I have been thru the 1986 "Holy Crap, we're in the playoffs!" loss to the New York Jets. I have been thru the "5 year plan" of Marty Schottenheimer and the great Joe Montana, Marcus Allen, Derrick Thomas teams. I have been thru Herm Edwards and the vision of playoff resurrection by signing Ty Law and intercepting Peyton Manning twice in Indy. I have been thru Dick Vermeil's "He took the Eagles to the Super Bowl, he took the Rams to the Super Bowl, surely he can take....etc., etc., etc." I have been thru the "Scott Pioli and the Patriot Way" era. And now....the "He usually folds in the playoffs" Andy Reid era. S-I-G-H The Chiefs have had two home field advantages and blew them both. They have been the number 1 seed, the number 2 seed, wild card positions and blew ALL of them! They have lost at home and on the road. They have lost now by giving up SIX field goals while scoring TWO touchdowns (which has never, ever happened before). And just in case anyone points out the Fisher hold on the two point conversion, you STILL should be winning handily when holding a team to six field goals! I. Have. Had. Enough. My Kansas City Chiefs....the pre-2016 Chicago Cubs of playoff seasons. I turn in my Chiefs card. My Arrowhead card. My Chiefs Kingdom card. Done. Last edited by ForeverRoyalKC; 01-15-2017 at 11:58 PM.

01-16-2017, 12:01 AM	#2
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01-16-2017, 10:00 AM	#7
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The big smoke Posts: 15,628	Those of us living in and around Toronto know sadness embarrassment and futility for the last 23 seasons of baseball and 50 years of hockey. In the last 15 months the Jays have teased us, the Raptors have hit the NBA superstar ceiling and the Leafs are an entertaining watch but by no means close to anything. Toronto FC came within a penalty kick of a championship yet the product, league wide, remains laughably poor IMO. We don't have the NFL but geographical proximity to the mind-numbing joke of the Buffalo Bills just adds more angst to our sports burden. Question. Is consistent success without championships; meaning that you will lose sometimes devastatingly almost every year, better than a cycle of occasional championships followed by playoff misses and rebuilds. I vote for the former, but if the Raptors and Jays can't do it soon I'll change that position. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

01-16-2017, 10:06 AM	#9
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: United States Posts: 10,456	Yes, no championships since 1970 is hard to take. Worse than what Knicks fans are putting up with: 1973. I find myself in the same mood as ForeverRoyalKC with my rants in this thread. As a matter of fact, I am going there next to post another "I've had it" message. But that's my point: I keep going back there. ForeverRoyalKC will not want to hear this today but I have a feeling that he will be taking back his Chiefs card someday. If he were a bandwagon fan, maybe he could turn his back. Somebody who has been following a team since the 1970s will find it hard not to take a peek once in a while. __________________ - Bru

01-16-2017, 01:22 PM	#12
ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Stockton Lake, MO. Posts: 1,128 Blog Entries: 3	Ohiodevil, I take a back seat to you. AT LEAST, at the very least, we have two Super Bowl appearances with one win. The Browns and their fans don't even know what a Super Bowl is! No disrespect, I mean that tongue in cheek. But...I am 48 years old and was three when the Chiefs won Super Bowl IV. So, personally, I don't know what it feels like either. DejaBru, I imagine I will take back my Chiefs card when they actually MAKE the Super Bowl. But to tell you the God's honest truth....if the Chiefs would've won with that performance last night by barely escaping the Steelers, the Patriots would've tore them apart. I have zero doubts on that. I seriously dont see them in the playoffs next year due to a BRUTAL schedule. The Steelers come back to Arrowhead and they have to go to the Cowboys, Giants and ......... Patriots. Might be a LOOOOOONG time before the Chiefs find themselves at a number 2 seed again! Last edited by ForeverRoyalKC; 01-16-2017 at 01:27 PM.

01-16-2017, 12:23 AM	#3
ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Stockton Lake, MO. Posts: 1,128 Blog Entries: 3	Yeah, Potato...I'm way out on a limb here. I have about froze to death in the late 70's as I sat in a nearly empty Arrowhead while the crappy Seahawks blasted the Chiefs. I have had sore throats from cheering and even told people that if I ever had open heart surgery, my blood would be red and yellow and they wouldn't stitch me up, they would have to "lace me up." So let me put it this way as someone, like many others who put their money and time out on a team... if you go to an inferior store or buy an inferior product and they can't get their act together, you quit buying their products and quit patronizing their store.

01-16-2017, 12:49 AM	#4
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,266	I lived with an inferior product from the raiders for the last 20 years minus the gruden years. When they get back to the playoffs they lose with a 3rd string qb to one of the worst offenses. Dont let the loss get to you.

01-16-2017, 09:19 AM	#5
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	Great rant! As a Houston fan, I can feel your pain.

01-16-2017, 09:32 AM	#6
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,108	It is hard to win championships.

01-16-2017, 10:50 AM	#10
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 2,392	Try being a Cleveland Browns fan.......

01-16-2017, 10:55 AM	#11
Airdrop01 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lenexa, KS / Wilson, WY Posts: 1,354	I was at that game (as with pretty much all of them). We've got a sweet set of seats on the Club Level and I've been going since Bobby Bell days (back then I just got whatever I could get!). Great crowd. Great game. Seriously, if you objectively look at it, that team as a whole, did about as much as they possibly could with what they had given the devastating injuries they've had. Also, I'm a coach and I never ever blame umpires or officials for losses. That said, Harrison slipped, is about 8" shorter than Fisher, and it looked way worse than it was at the end. Also, when that isn't called the entire game (how many times Chiefs got tackled on Bell runs or Kelce got bulldozed when the ball was half way to him I can't count), it's not cool to call it when they did. But, I also saw plenty of holds the other way too, where KC players were holding or interfering (though 17 and 7 for the Steelers need to realize receiver can be hit when a ball is tipped, there is no such thing as PI anymore), which goes to the point that the officials weren't biased, but rather that the end of game hold call shouldn't have been made. Anyway, the point is Reid called a good game. The Steelers were just better. The Chiefs hung around, and yes, by all rights they should have been tied with 2:00 to go. But, that's the game. If you don't want that to happen, then you've got 58:00 before that to keep it from being in position where a questionable call kills you. #ChiefsKingdom baby!

01-16-2017, 01:43 PM	#13
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 2,392	No worries ForeverRoyalKC.....I completely understand your pain and why you went on your rant. I am 41 and I started to notice football in the early 80's, when the famous "Red Right 88" play in the 1980 playoffs was still fresh in Browns fans memories, and of course "The Drive" and "The Fumble" to go along with the other playoff losses from 1985-1989....then the moving of the team in 1995 and our "return" in 1999....where the team has had just TWO winning seasons (one playoff appearance) since then. So coming from a Browns fan....hang in there.....the sting is there, but it will pass once the season starts. I wish you guys could have knocked out the Steelers....nothing makes me happier than watching them lose.

01-16-2017, 03:35 PM	#14
kenyan_cheena Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 9,038	Since '95, they've hosted four divisional playoff games as a top two seed (had a bye in wildcard week) and lost all of them, by a combined total of 16 points.

01-18-2017, 09:06 AM	#19
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 6,371	I think every sports fan should see his team win a title once in their lifetime. I never drop a team because they lose. I drop them if they aren't trying to win (Braves when they went corporate), if I don't like the ownership (Hornets v1.0), or if I get fed up w/the behavior of the players (Seahawks mid-late 90's, Panthers briefly during the Carruth era). I find I actually enjoy the games more when I don't have a favorite team. I think the closest I can get to that Cheifs/Browns etc feeling in my UNC Tar Heels in football. I've never expected them to win the NCAA title. But I think the ACC championship isn't too much to ask. But they haven't since 1980, back when Lawrence Taylor was on campus. They always come up short. Lose a game they should've won. The phantom offsides on the onside kick last year hurt. Keldorf's turnover @ VIrginia. The shutout loss @ home to FSU when both were top 5. Now 2 NCAA investigations that have been going on for what seems like a decade now. So I feel for ya. I honestly feel Reid & Smith will never lead a team to a trophy. They will always win more than they lose. But like my Heels, they don't have what it takes to get over the hump. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

01-18-2017, 12:15 PM	#20
ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Stockton Lake, MO. Posts: 1,128 Blog Entries: 3	I sympathize with all the fans that don't know what Super Bowls are (Lions, Browns, etc.) but I fear Reid will be like Vermeil. In Kansas City, when Vermeil was hired, the city was on it's toes! The Super Bowl was almost automatic! I mean he took the Eagles, then the Rams, why not the Chiefs?! Our outlook on Schottenheimer was pretty optimistic even thought he never took a team to the Super Bowl, we thought the TEAM could do it for him, so to speak. Then came the "Patriot Way" Pioli era. And again, the town was thinking Super Bowls. I mean he was part of those Patriot Super Bowls wins! And he brought Mike Vrabel with him. We also hired both Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis to run the defense and offense, hell...how could we NOT go to the Super Bowl?! Now comes Andy Reid. He took the Eagles to a Super Bowl. Why cant he take ....aw, skip it!