Johan Santana WILL WIN CY YOUNG! - Page 2

draven085 · 12-24-2003, 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by crackpott
I don't think he deserved it this year, but will likely be a main contender again next year. Although Vazquez won't win 25, the AL contenders will probably be similar (minus Loaiza) and add Vazquez to the list. I'm expecting falloffs from Brown and Schilling. They'll be good, but I doubt Cy good.

Schill's going from a really good hitter's park to a relatively neutral one. If he's healthy, I don't think he'll slip much at all. The Fens is a real tough HR park for LHB, so I expect Schill could even improve a bit.

yzerman19 · 12-24-2003, 10:21 AM

It must be a relief for schilling and vasquez to not have to hit anymore. That would be such a pain in the ass.

And after reading that article on hudson deserving the cy young, i am not convinced. In fact that was a joke. The only pitcher who may have deserved it over halliday was loaiza.

draven085 · 12-24-2003, 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by yzerman19
It must be a relief for schilling and vasquez to not have to hit anymore. That would be such a pain in the ass.

And after reading that article on hudson deserving the cy young, i am not convinced. In fact that was a joke. The only pitcher who may have deserved it over halliday was loaiza.

*AHEM*

Pedro. That is all.

magnet · 12-25-2003, 03:37 PM

all i have to say is that someone finally agrees with my sig

crackpott · 12-25-2003, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by yzerman19
It must be a relief for schilling and vasquez to not have to hit anymore. That would be such a pain in the ass.

And after reading that article on hudson deserving the cy young, i am not convinced. In fact that was a joke. The only pitcher who may have deserved it over halliday was loaiza.

care to elaborate?

Skipaway · 12-25-2003, 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by crackpott
care to elaborate?

I know a surefire way to push Loaiza above Hudson in your study. Whether that is better or not is debatable:

Just replace ERA by RA.

Player/R/ER/Innings

Martinez/52/46/186.2
Hudson/84/72/240
Loaiza/75/73/226.1
Halladay/111/96/266.0

I'm not sure that's what yzerman19 got in mind though.

And even with that, I'd guess Martinez, Hudson, and Loaiza's contributions would still be on the same level with Halladay a step behind.

crackpott · 12-25-2003, 10:53 PM

Well, I know opinions can vary... it was the "in fact it was a joke" part that I took issue with. I want to know why he felt that way.

JWay · 12-26-2003, 10:30 AM

Nah Jamie Moyer in 2004, guys its not even a question

jmaness84 · 12-27-2003, 02:38 PM

I knew Estaban Loaiza was going to win 20 games last year.

tim_uwrf · 09-16-2004, 01:47 AM

Well, although the season isn't over yet - his stats look to be the front runner for Cy Young. However, with the East coast bias, Santana will miss out on what should have been his Cy Young season.

UngratefulDead · 09-16-2004, 02:35 AM

It will be quite an injustice if Santana doesn't get it.

darkhorse · 09-16-2004, 04:12 AM

Santana's only competition for the Cy Young is Curt Schilling.

The AL MVP should go to this fellow, but I ain't holding my breath.

Skipaway · 09-16-2004, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tim_uwrf

However, with the East coast bias, Santana will miss out on what should have been his Cy Young season.

Really. Who won Cy Young because of east coast bias? Roger Clemens? Pedro Martinez? Is that an insult?

Dagrims · 09-16-2004, 10:32 AM

I'd love to hear an update from crackpott and andjbock to their original responses.

dannyc, nice prediction.

andjbock · 09-16-2004, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by andjbock

Coming from someone who has "Mets >" all as their sig, your Santana propechy will be equally as embarassing

Win some you loose some. At least I made a bold stance no matter how off base I was......Still I could be right.

Crapshoot · 09-16-2004, 10:45 AM

He wont win it- not with idiots like Kruk around. He should, but he wont- instead, it will go to Schilling for "knowing" how to win.

ctorg · 09-16-2004, 10:56 AM

Looking back, this was quite a bold and prescient prediction.

tim_uwrf · 09-16-2004, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Really. Who won Cy Young because of east coast bias? Roger Clemens? Pedro Martinez? Is that an insult?

It isn't an insult to the players or the fans. Clemens, Martinez are excellent pitchers and I'm not trying to take anything away from them.

twins15 · 09-16-2004, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

He wont win it- not with idiots like Kruk around. He should, but he wont- instead, it will go to Schilling for "knowing" how to win.

Or Kruk's latest, Schilling should win because there is more media pressure in Boston than in Minnesota.

EDIT: That may have been Brantley that said that.

Skipaway · 09-16-2004, 05:49 PM

Peter Gammons thought Santana would probably win unless Schilling pitched the Red Sox over the Yankees to the division crown.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=1880521

I think that sounds more like it. The "idiots" you guys talk about are probably just trying to be cute. Just like Jayson Starks with Shannon Stewart for 2003 MVP.

12-24-2003, 10:21 AM	#22 (permalink)
yzerman19 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Windsor, Canada Posts: 52	It must be a relief for schilling and vasquez to not have to hit anymore. That would be such a pain in the ass. And after reading that article on hudson deserving the cy young, i am not convinced. In fact that was a joke. The only pitcher who may have deserved it over halliday was loaiza. __________________ A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good.

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tim_uwrf Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Field of Dreams Posts: 2,000	Well, although the season isn't over yet - his stats look to be the front runner for Cy Young. However, with the East coast bias, Santana will miss out on what should have been his Cy Young season. __________________ My music rating thread.

12-27-2003, 02:38 PM	#29 (permalink)
jmaness84 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,681	I knew Estaban Loaiza was going to win 20 games last year.

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UngratefulDead Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,417	It will be quite an injustice if Santana doesn't get it.

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darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, texas Posts: 10,664	Santana's only competition for the Cy Young is Curt Schilling. The AL MVP should go to this fellow, but I ain't holding my breath. __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan."

09-16-2004, 10:32 AM	#34 (permalink)
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09-16-2004, 10:45 AM	#36 (permalink)
Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,113	He wont win it- not with idiots like Kruk around. He should, but he wont- instead, it will go to Schilling for "knowing" how to win. __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

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09-16-2004, 05:49 PM	#40 (permalink)
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 9,454	Peter Gammons thought Santana would probably win unless Schilling pitched the Red Sox over the Yankees to the division crown. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=1880521 I think that sounds more like it. The "idiots" you guys talk about are probably just trying to be cute. Just like Jayson Starks with Shannon Stewart for 2003 MVP. __________________ Confucius: The superior man does not recommend a man because of what he says, nor does he ignore what a man says because of his personality. ria: no

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