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holyroller · 06-24-2004, 03:29 AM

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know this is very covered territory, but do you peeps realize that the guy has a ****ING .612 OBP!?!?!?!??!?!? Seriously, all you steroid conspiracy theorists should still be able to respect that. OBP is the most important stat for an offensive player and the guy is putting up unbelievable, record shattering stats so far. Hell, he has 101 walks and WE ARE NOT EVEN IN JULY YET. Right now, as of this writing, Bonds' season is even better than his HR record breaking season of 2001 and even better than his spectacular 2002 follow-up. Oh yeah, in case I didn't mention it yet, Barry Bonds has a ****ING .612 OBP!!!!!!

If he keeps it up I will push him ahead of Ruth in my rankings.

Skipaway · 06-24-2004, 03:36 AM

OBP is not the most important stat. Among simple stats, OPS is more important.

Of course, Bonds' also GREAT in OPS.

holyroller · 06-24-2004, 03:38 AM

Yeah, I'll take a 1.400 simple OPS. Calculate it properly (1.5*OBP) and he is off the freaking charts.

disposableheros · 06-24-2004, 03:40 AM

i fear the steriod induced HR so ill give him a free pass....boom .612 OBP

holyroller · 06-24-2004, 03:42 AM

Yeah, talent has nothing to do with it whatsoever!

disposableheros · 06-24-2004, 03:43 AM

what gives you that impression? talent has a lot to do with it

Skipaway · 06-24-2004, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holyroller

Yeah, I'll take a 1.400 simple OPS. Calculate it properly (1.5*OBP) and he is off the freaking charts.

A 1.400 OPS is already enough for best single season record in league history.

OPS:
1. Barry Bonds 1.3807 2002 L
2. Babe Ruth+ 1.3791 1920 L
3. Barry Bonds 1.3785 2001 L
4. Babe Ruth+ 1.3586 1921 L
5. Babe Ruth+ 1.3089 1923 L

OPS+:
1. Barry Bonds 275 2002 L
2. Barry Bonds 262 2001 L
3. Babe Ruth+ 255 1920 L
4. Fred Dunlap 250 1884 R
5. Babe Ruth+ 239 1921 L
Babe Ruth+ 239 1923 L

Skipaway · 06-24-2004, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by disposableheros

i fear the steriod induced HR so ill give him a free pass....boom .612 OBP

Well, if you believe what the scouts said and what the sports writers wrote, it's more like the steroid-pumped pitchers got some huge drop in velocity after the tightened drug test. That must be the reason why even less pitchers are pitching to Bonds this year.

holyroller · 06-24-2004, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by disposableheros

what gives you that impression? talent has a lot to do with it

Nothing, I was being a smart ass.

Look, Bonds may or may not have used steroids. There is no way for either of us to know for sure. If he gets convicted of buying them or possessing them, I will discount his stats. Until that day, I rate him based on his stats. Based on his stats, he is, at worst, the fourth best player in baseball history.

Skipaway · 06-24-2004, 03:52 AM

By Jeff Kent, Babe Ruth was on steroids.

disposableheros · 06-24-2004, 03:54 AM

walking bonds = hacking shaq

its just that in bonds case it works cuz he aint got anyone this year

im not by any means saying that bonds isnt a stud, he's def. in the top handful all-time

BUT, in my mind he's already tarnished his stats and has a ruthian *

disposableheros · 06-24-2004, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holyroller

Nothing, I was being a smart ass.

me too

holyroller · 06-24-2004, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by disposableheros

BUT, in my mind he's already tarnished his stats and has a ruthian *

Why?

Because you accuse him of using steroids based on nothing but idle speculation?

That may be enough for some people, but not for me.

disposableheros · 06-24-2004, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

By Jeff Kent, Babe Ruth was on steroids.

roids manufactured by jack daniels

disposableheros · 06-24-2004, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holyroller

Why?

Because you accuse him of using steroids based on nothing but idle speculation?

yes

Quote:

Originally Posted by holyroller

That may be enough for some people, but not for me.

in this case im some people

Karros270 · 06-24-2004, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by disposableheros

roids manufactured by jack daniels

I'm lost, are you saying Bonds is an alcoholic?

Skipaway · 06-24-2004, 04:07 AM

Did holyroller created disposableheros just to boost post counts?

disposableheros · 06-24-2004, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Karros270

I'm lost, are you saying Bonds is an alcoholic?

ruth

disposableheros · 06-24-2004, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skipaway

Did holyroller created disposableheros just to boost post counts?

no

holyroller · 06-24-2004, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skipaway

Did holyroller created disposableheros just to boost post counts?

Not my alias.

06-24-2004, 03:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	Barry Bonds Part 4,723 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know this is very covered territory, but do you peeps realize that the guy has a **ING .612 OBP!?!?!?!??!?!? Seriously, all you steroid conspiracy theorists should still be able to respect that. OBP is the most important stat for an offensive player and the guy is putting up unbelievable, record shattering stats so far. Hell, he has 101 walks and WE ARE NOT EVEN IN JULY YET. Right now, as of this writing, Bonds' season is even better than his HR record breaking season of 2001 and even better than his spectacular 2002 follow-up. Oh yeah, in case I didn't mention it yet, Barry Bonds has a *ING .612 OBP!!!!!! If he keeps it up I will push him ahead of Ruth in my rankings. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.” Last edited by holyroller; 06-24-2004 at 03:33 AM.*

06-24-2004, 03:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 9,711	OBP is not the most important stat. Among simple stats, OPS is more important. Of course, Bonds' also GREAT in OPS. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

06-24-2004, 03:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	Yeah, I'll take a 1.400 simple OPS. Calculate it properly (1.5*OBP) and he is off the freaking charts. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

06-24-2004, 03:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
disposableheros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,339	i fear the steriod induced HR so ill give him a free pass....boom .612 OBP __________________ 2 Wild Cards, 11 Division Champs, 4 League Champs, 3 World Champs, and 3 Best GM awards Baseball Maelstrom - New York Mets - 180-149 .547 Corporate League Baseball - Coke Buzz - 889-649 .578 Western Hemisphere Baseball League - Santiago Saints - 672-793 .459 Record - 2428-2271 .517

06-24-2004, 03:42 AM	#5 (permalink)
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	Yeah, talent has nothing to do with it whatsoever! __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

06-24-2004, 03:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
disposableheros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,339	what gives you that impression? talent has a lot to do with it __________________ 2 Wild Cards, 11 Division Champs, 4 League Champs, 3 World Champs, and 3 Best GM awards Baseball Maelstrom - New York Mets - 180-149 .547 Corporate League Baseball - Coke Buzz - 889-649 .578 Western Hemisphere Baseball League - Santiago Saints - 672-793 .459 Record - 2428-2271 .517

06-24-2004, 03:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 9,711	By Jeff Kent, Babe Ruth was on steroids. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

06-24-2004, 03:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
disposableheros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,339	walking bonds = hacking shaq its just that in bonds case it works cuz he aint got anyone this year im not by any means saying that bonds isnt a stud, he's def. in the top handful all-time BUT, in my mind he's already tarnished his stats and has a ruthian * __________________ 2 Wild Cards, 11 Division Champs, 4 League Champs, 3 World Champs, and 3 Best GM awards Baseball Maelstrom - New York Mets - 180-149 .547 Corporate League Baseball - Coke Buzz - 889-649 .578 Western Hemisphere Baseball League - Santiago Saints - 672-793 .459 Record - 2428-2271 .517

06-24-2004, 04:07 AM	#17 (permalink)
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 9,711	Did holyroller created disposableheros just to boost post counts? __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

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