Are there too many knockdowns??

[Rudeboye]

Hello,

I have recently purchased TCB2.5 having been a big fan of the original board game. I love the game but I have noticed that there appears to be an awful lot of KD's in each particular fight. This seems to occur whether they have a good knockdown vs chin rating or not.

I have also been looking at some of the "fantasy fights" posted on that thread and the results seem to backup what I am saying. Don't get me wrong I know a KD's adds to the excitment of the game but from a realism point of view I think it may need addressing. I had Mike McCallum down 4 times in a bout!!! - although it was against Julian Jackson!!

I would be interested to hear what other players think about this so please reply? Of the last 10 or so bouts I have played out, I think I have had 8 in which KD's have occured.

[mh2365]

No I don't believe there are ... I think once again it is a case of "too small of a sample size"

Take McCallum for example. I just ran 3 test sims against his schedule, using mainly the ratings we have. I fought him at JMW up to the first Kalambay fight then used his MW rating after that. I didn't mess with career stages (which would effect KD's) or weight differentials.

Schedule was as follows

JMW

Rocky Fabrizio
Jimmy Heair
Kevin Perry
Ayub Kalule
Sean Mannion
Julian Jackson
Milton McCrory
Donald Curry

added from my personal db
Manuel Jiminez
Said Skouma

random fighters
0 rated = 15
1 rated = 4
2 rated = 1
6 rated = 1 (to simulate David Braxton)
7 rated = 1 (to simulate Luigi Minchillo)

MW

Sambu Kalambay x 2
Ralph Moncrief
Herol Graham
Steve Collins
Michael Watson
Carlos Cruzat
James Toney (MW) x 3
Ramzi Hassan
Jeff Harding
Fabrice Tiozzo
Roy Jones (SMW)

added from my personal db
Nicky Walker
Glen Thomas
Carl Jones

Random fighters

0 rated = 2
1 rated = 3
3 rated = 1 (to simulate Randall Yonker)

McCallum went 49(36) - 5(0) - 1 in real life

In the 3 sims I ran he went

Sim 1 = 52(39)-3(0)
Sim 2 = 45(36)-6(1)-4 (stoppage was due to cuts)
Sim 3 = 49(37)-2(0)-4

Average of 48.7(37.3)-3.7(.3)-2.7 Pretty solid rating

Now as far as your good chin and realism comments .... in the 165 fights I ran during the 3 sims McCallum was down a total of 3 times. All in one fight against 15 rated Roy Jones. Seems his chin rating is just fine.

I argue this on several other boards also ... people who sim one fight and don't get the result they want and then say the game needs fixed. When in reality they have not run a big enough sample size and if they did they would see the game is fine. Judging from your post I don't think this fact will be lost on you like it is some of the dolts on maxboxing and other boards.

Play the game longer and you will start to see the results you expect to see. Also in another thread it was claimed that with they way the strategies currently work that you can't get realistic results ... these stats pretty much prove that to be false also.

[Cap]

Mike, I'm not absolutely sure, but I think he was saying that in 10 random fights he set up there were 8 that had knockdowns, which is possibly above the statistical average for 10 random fights seen on TV. I suppose if you put ten sluggers in with ten guys who can be knocked down if hit hard enough, you'd see a lot of knockdowns.

Cap

[mh2365]

I get that but my point is 10 fights is hardly a big enough sample size. In my uni I can easily go 10 fights without any knockdowns occurring.

[Cap]

Very true. As the numbers boys say it's too small a statistical sample to base a conclusion on. (Try saying that before you've had your porridge.)

Cap

[Rudeboye]

Thanks for your responses guys. I take on board what you said about playing the game for longer. I played all the 10 bouts at once and I was just a little surprised that 8 of them featured KD's but I suppose experience may tell me otherwise as I keep playing.

The analysis you gave me with Mike McCallumgives me new hope!!

PS - I was not aware the game had him as a Middleweight, I thought it only had him at Jr Middleweight?

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by Rudeboye

Thanks for your responses guys. I take on board what you said about playing the game for longer. I played all the 10 bouts at once and I was just a little surprised that 8 of them featured KD's but I suppose experience may tell me otherwise as I keep playing.

The analysis you gave me with Mike McCallumgives me new hope!!

PS - I was not aware the game had him as a Middleweight, I thought it only had him at Jr Middleweight?

On the main screen where it lists all the fighters .. if the Prime under the "Career" heading is yellow that means the fighter has multiple ratings. Now if you are using aging eventually almost all of them will be yellow because the game makes a new rating for the career stage ... but just going by the database ... yellow means they have more than one.

I think the knockdowns are a little more than IRL but not like your small sample size. In the three sims I ran for McCallum he averaged 56 knockdowns a career. I doubt he knocked his opponents down 56 times IRL.

[Rudeboye]

Many thanks.