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[mh2365]

First it's too bad the best prospect Jorge Paez Jr. wasn't there.

Ronald Hearns looked very green but with a ton of potential.. Gets hit too much but with experience the defense will come. Good right hand and left hooks. If he can stay at MW he might have a future.

James McGirt, boring but very talented.

Chazz Witherspoon, needs alot of work, but could turn into something. Mike Alexander might be okay at Cruiserweight.

The prospect super middleweight tourney that the are doing starting July 28th is a great idea.

[mh2365]

http://www.fightnews.com/1190.htm

There's a link for the tourney.

Looks like Codrington had his second fight back since getting devestated by Green last night also.

[IceTea]

I didn't like McGirt much. Slaps too much, has little power, and doesn't bend at the waist to avoid shots.

I like Witherspoons conditioning and workrate.....he also has little power.

Hearns has nice power and speed but only has 9 fights at the age of 27 at middleweight. The hit their peak around 28-29

Pryor's kid isn't a bum but he can see bums from where he is.

In all, only Witherspoon belongs on Showtime....IMOP

[a87star]

I thought Hearns and Witherspoon were the ones that have the most potential. I agree Hearns is very green but he needs to start fighting more because he is 27 and that is the peak for most MW's. His lack of defense and smothering some of his punches comes from the lack of amateur experience. Chazz has little power but he has a good workrate and seems to know how to box. I think he has a chance to be a contender in the HW division down the road.

Stephan Pryor is definitely a bum. Anyone know what happened to Aaron Pryor Jr.?

[mh2365]

I may have been a little harsh on Chazz in the other thread .... I like his work rate and he seem like a good kid. But he got hit alot and couldn't hurt a very little guy. What happens against a bigger HW who can hurt him when he lands all those shots. What was up with the 100-90 score also? I had it 97-93 and I thought I was calling it as if my tv contract depended on Chazz winning.

I was a little more impressed with McGirt than the rest of you. He looks like he could be a very smart fighter, he just lacks power.

Hearns is 27 but he didn't start fighting until a few years ago, so he'll be able to extend that peak. He needs to step up his fighting schedule though. Wish Paez had been on, that kid was impressive the last time I saw him plus I think he is only 18.

[a87star]

Originally Posted by mh2365

Wish Paez had been on, that kid was impressive the last time I saw him plus I think he is only 18.

I like Paez Jr., too. He's going to be a hell of a fighter. His dad was good and an entertaining showman. A little irony is that Paez Sr. was beaten by De La Hoya at the end of his career. Now Oscar promotes Paez Jr. Looks like there is a lot of mutual respect there.

[eltorrente]

Originally Posted by mh2365

First it's too bad the best prospect Jorge Paez Jr. wasn't there.

Ronald Hearns looked very green but with a ton of potential.. Gets hit too much but with experience the defense will come. Good right hand and left hooks. If he can stay at MW he might have a future.

James McGirt, boring but very talented.

Chazz Witherspoon, needs alot of work, but could turn into something. Mike Alexander might be okay at Cruiserweight.

The prospect super middleweight tourney that the are doing starting July 28th is a great idea.

Yeah I watched with great interest last night. I was hoping to see Paez jr - I've seen him fight twice now and he really is very talented.

In the first round of the Hearns fight, it almost looked like a toughman competition- with Hearns throwing technique out the window and brawling. My impression of him was that he has potential, but doesn't have enough experience in the ring. He seemed akward and raw. He should have had more amatuer experience. I think he could be a force in a few years, but they need to very carefully bring him up to speed and keep him active. Last night he would have been KOed by a skilled fighter, so hopefully he'll work on that defense.

I thought Alexander looked pretty good in there, and he ought to drop down in weight. My impression was that Witherspoon certainly has talent and potential, but in this fight he was a little heavy and Alexander was a tough guy who fought him well. I think Witherspoon could make some noise in the HW div someday. He landed an excellent uppercut on Alexander that must have shook his brain silly, yet Alexander stayed up. You can't expect to land a better punch than that one- it was excellent and did what you want a punch to do: ROCK the head and jar the brain. Unfortunately, Alexander was a tough guy and Witherspoon couldn't follow up. I liked what I saw in Witherspoon, though for the most part.

[IceTea]

Chazz moved up to#38 on the boxrec rankings moving head of Timur Imbragov, Luan Krasniqui, and Roman Greenberg. He is also ahead of Monte Barrett, Juan Carlos Gomez, and Kevin McBride. Chris Arreola is at #48. I'm interested in watching him.

[a87star]

Arreola knocked out some tomato can a few months back on ESPN. I would like to see him face some better competiton soon.

[IceTea]

Originally Posted by a87star

Arreola knocked out some tomato can a few months back on ESPN. I would like to see him face some better competiton soon.

* One of the many problems in boxing is that managers are afraid to put their fighters in the ring against someone with a heart beat due to the risk of getting loss. Many young fighters miss out on valueable experience due to this.

MJ

[a87star]

Originally Posted by IceTea

* One of the many problems in boxing is that managers are afraid to put their fighters in the ring against someone with a heart beat due to the risk of getting loss. Many young fighters miss out on valueable experience due to this.

I agree. Some of these fighters are getting their record padded snd it doesn't really indicate their record. These managers need to get them into the ring with better talent to see if they can cut it. Back in the day, great fighters used to have twenty or even thirty losses because they fought all the best guys possible. Nowadays fighters are protected and sheilded from that valuable experience and what it is like to taste defeat a few times.

[jas80s]

Originally Posted by a87star

I agree. Some of these fighters are getting their record padded snd it doesn't really indicate their record. These managers need to get them into the ring with better talent to see if they can cut it. Back in the day, great fighters used to have twenty or even thirty losses because they fought all the best guys possible. Nowadays fighters are protected and sheilded from that valuable experience and what it is like to taste defeat a few times.

And the irony is most fans are all too happy to watch guys with losses on their record as long as they have an exciting fighting style. Arturo Gatti has to be one of the richest fighters around by now, does anyone care about his 6 or 7 losses? Hell, nobody cares about De La Hoya's losses, I know the PPV numbers will back that up. Vitali Klitschko's career was made off of a loss, I could go on, but you all knew what I was saying about 5 or 6 lines ago.


Jeff

[a87star]

Originally Posted by jas80s

And the irony is most fans are all too happy to watch guys with losses on their record as long as they have an exciting fighting style. Arturo Gatti has to be one of the richest fighters around by now, does anyone care about his 6 or 7 losses? Hell, nobody cares about De La Hoya's losses, I know the PPV numbers will back that up. Vitali Klitschko's career was made off of a loss, I could go on, but you all knew what I was saying about 5 or 6 lines ago.

I agree with you 100%. Look at Micky Ward. He had ten losses and had one of the biggest fan bases in the northeast because he was quite exciting to watch. His fights with Neary, Agustus, and the Gatti trilogy made him a nice chunk of dough at the end of his career. The afformentioned Emanuel Agustus has a fanbase in the east, too. He got over twenty losses but people love seeing him fight due to his style and colorful personality. I would prefer a fighter like these two who have losses against quality opposition than a guy that is 25-0 and knocked everyone out because their competition was inferior.