Toney vs Peter..Sept on SHO

lethal liberal · 07-02-2006, 12:24 PM

From all the reports that I have read,this fight is actually going to come off as reported. A few questions: Will Toney get in shape? Will Sam ever learn to avoid the jab? As good as Toneys chin has been,can it stand up to the devastating power of Peter? What do you guys think? If nothing else,it has me intriqued by the possibilities. I am amazed that it is going to be on cable instead of PPV.

mh2365 · 07-02-2006, 12:36 PM

Hopefully Peter by a stunning devastating KO

a87star · 07-02-2006, 01:42 PM

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Hopefully Peter by a stunning devastating KO

I'm with Mike on this one. I just don't see Toney coming into a fight in shape anymore which will make it a lot easier for Peter to land one of his power shots due to the lack of mobility. If that is the case, this fight should end quick.

Scoman · 07-02-2006, 01:47 PM

Well i think if Toney would get his head out of his rear,and come into the fight in decent shape,hed have a decent shot at winning,but we all know that he probably wont be in shape again.

a87star · 07-02-2006, 01:52 PM

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Well i think if Toney would get his head out of his rear,and come into the fight in decent shape,hed have a decent shot at winning,but we all know that he probably wont be in shape again.

If Toney came into the fight in shape, he could probably outbox Peter for a decision but it is unlikely since the buffet table is his number one passion besides being a fat, out of shape, boxer.

Scoman · 07-02-2006, 01:55 PM

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If Toney came into the fight in shape, he could probably outbox Peter for a decision but it is unlikely since the buffet table is his number one passion besides being a fat, out of shape, boxer.

Seems to me Toney has lost his competitive edge and desire to do what it takes to be ready for fights,seems like now all he is looking for is easy paydays.

erickdamac · 07-06-2006, 01:45 AM

The above post most be a joke, how can someone lose there competive edge, when there taking on the hardest punching heavyweight in the devision and the guy got a chin and is 12 years younger then him?

Anyway I heard james might come in around 230 because of the size diffrence but this time a more fit 230 more to come on Btalk front page with an interview by next monday.

a87star · 07-06-2006, 02:05 AM

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The above post most be a joke, how can someone lose there competive edge, when there taking on the hardest punching heavyweight in the devision and the guy got a chin and is 12 years younger then him?

In a way you have to question a guy that had a winnable fight in front of him against Rahman and he shows up a big ball of fat. Toney has to come into this fight in seriously good shape to even stand a chance. If not, Peter obliterates him in a few rounds. Even if he is in shape this will be a tough fight for James.

lethal liberal · 07-06-2006, 02:24 AM

Yeah,I used to really despise Toney(being a fan of Roy Jones..lol)but he had earned my respect and I had actually started to really enjoy watching him fight. His fight against Jirov was one of the best fights in the last few years. Then,he shows up badly out of shape against Rahman. If he had just been in slightly better shape he would have won the fight. That being said,he has shown an amazing chin,condsidering he started as a middleweight. In a lot of the forums on the net,Toney seems to be the favorite,but on here everyone seems to think Sam will get the job done. I think Peter is probably the most devastating puncher the division has at this point,but his total lack of defense against Wlad really dissapointed me. With just a little head movement and a few of his own jabs he could have finished Wlad off. If Toney shows up the way he did against Rahman,forget it. However,if he decides to get in shape he could make a fight of it. As good as Toneys chin has been,I dont think he has faced the type of power that Sam brings to the ring. Peter has the type of power that you only see every decade or so. I can almost hear the power of his punches on my surround sound..lol. I think this was a dangerous fight for both fighters to take,and I applaud them for it. Toney could have waited for his rematch with Rahman,and Peter had several offers that probably would have been easier prey. I am glad to see that the top heavyweights are starting to fight each other. I think the division is a little better than a lot of people might think. If the planets align just right,this could be a very exciting fight. Then again,I have been wrong before.

erickdamac · 07-07-2006, 01:33 AM

Well from bits I heard from the interview (the **** recorded is fuked so we gonna reinterview him) but from what I heard, he said that Peter is a tune up in his eyes and he said he never been hurt in his career and he said klitsko was scared out of his mind thats why peter didnt get knocked out and that if klitsko had some balls he would have koed him in 2 rounds.

He also lies the fact that Peter will be coming forward because he said And im not exactly sure so bare with me because the recorder is really ****ed, but it sounded like he said that peter swings wild and that his counters will be so quick that the surprise will be his power, and that he is looking to come in 230 225.
Bt im mean you can say he is fat and what not but you cant say he lost his competive edge come on, rahman didnt want to fight peter klitsko didnt want the rematch no one wanted the fight except toney so come on give the dude credit, he spars everyday! but he eats every minute lol, whileh ewas on the phone wit greg he was eating hot dogs lmao!

mh2365 · 07-07-2006, 06:52 AM

Love how Toney bad mouths klitschko again yet he turned down an offer to fight him ... Toney is a b**ch plain and simple. Good to see you back again Eric but you still put too much stock in BT and seem to believe every word a boxer says in an interview.

Scoman · 07-07-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by erickdamac

The above post most be a joke, how can someone lose there competive edge, when there taking on the hardest punching heavyweight in the devision and the guy got a chin and is 12 years younger then him?

Anyway I heard james might come in around 230 because of the size diffrence but this time a more fit 230 more to come on Btalk front page with an interview by next monday.

The only joke is Toneys conditioning regiment, actually i think his ideal weight as a heavyweight is 220, or under, thats what he weighed in his wins against holyfield,Guinn,and rydell booker,at
5'9'',i think 230 is still to big,i miss watching him as a cruiserweight and middleweight,thats were he really excelled imo.

erickdamac · 07-07-2006, 06:10 PM

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Love how Toney bad mouths klitschko again yet he turned down an offer to fight him ... Toney is a b**ch plain and simple. Good to see you back again Eric but you still put too much stock in BT and seem to believe every word a boxer says in an interview.

Im just repeating what he said, and what you guys can read, Im not saying I believe this, I have my own opinions, Im just stating what he said.

And as far the turn down go they offered hm 1.5 to fight klitsko, when he made 1.9 to fight Rahman, and Klitsko suppose to be the money head, Klitsko was going to get over 5mil for the fight, he would be a fool! A Fool! to accept that, now he makin 900k to fight Peter. I dont know if you can say James turn down a offer that no one would accept, except Briggs, and who has he beaten?

erickdamac · 07-07-2006, 06:11 PM

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The only joke is Toneys conditioning regiment, actually i think his ideal weight as a heavyweight is 220, or under, thats what he weighed in his wins against holyfield,Guinn,and rydell booker,at
5'9'',i think 230 is still to big,i miss watching him as a cruiserweight and middleweight,thats were he really excelled imo.

I agree with you 100 percent, Me personally I want him at 215, but the fact is this, if he get in shape boxing shape then he can hang with anybody in the HW division.

mh2365 · 07-07-2006, 06:37 PM

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Im just repeating what he said, and what you guys can read, Im not saying I believe this, I have my own opinions, Im just stating what he said.

And as far the turn down go they offered hm 1.5 to fight klitsko, when he made 1.9 to fight Rahman, and Klitsko suppose to be the money head, Klitsko was going to get over 5mil for the fight, he would be a fool! A Fool! to accept that, now he makin 900k to fight Peter. I dont know if you can say James turn down a offer that no one would accept, except Briggs, and who has he beaten?

What has he done to deserve the same amount as Klitschko or even the same amount he got for Rahman? Win a title? nope. Put on an exciting fight? nope. Show up in top condition showing respect for the game? nope.

Bottom line is he is a fool. He bad mouths Klitschko and all other Europeans and then takes less money to fight someone for no title. Toney is scared of any tall HW with boxing skills, plain and simple. He is looking for someone who will lay on him all fight and let him land his silly little pit-pat insides shots and then he can act all high and mighty when he doesn't actually win the fight. Toney is an idiot and I hope Peter bombs him into oblivion, but then of course we'll have to hear how he could've beaten Klitschko LOL.

eltorrente · 07-07-2006, 09:17 PM

I wonder what will happen if Toney beats Peter convincingly? What will people say about him then in regards to his possible likelihood of beating Wlad? I'm sure his stock will rise significantly.

This scenario is certainly a possibility. Say Toney UDs or *gasp* TKO's Peter (hey you never know it could happen.. we never thought he could do that to Real Deal..). Toney would set himself up for a big money showdown with Wlad - if he beats Briggs.

Whatever happens with Toney/Peter, I'll be there at Staples Center close to the ring watching it live! My friends and I are buying floor tickets as soon as they become available. We are going to buy the best possible tickets we can get. None of us have ever seen a professional boxing match, so we decided to cruise up to LA and check this one out. I'm excited and will be happy no matter who wins.

erickdamac · 07-07-2006, 10:29 PM

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What has he done to deserve the same amount as Klitschko or even the same amount he got for Rahman? Win a title? nope. Put on an exciting fight? nope. Show up in top condition showing respect for the game? nope.

Bottom line is he is a fool. He bad mouths Klitschko and all other Europeans and then takes less money to fight someone for no title. Toney is scared of any tall HW with boxing skills, plain and simple. He is looking for someone who will lay on him all fight and let him land his silly little pit-pat insides shots and then he can act all high and mighty when he doesn't actually win the fight. Toney is an idiot and I hope Peter bombs him into oblivion, but then of course we'll have to hear how he could've beaten Klitschko LOL.

MH Come on you telling me the Toney vs. Rahman fight was not exciting? LOL they both threw and landed like the 2nd or 3rd most punches in heavyweight history, I dont think anyone in here can say that fight was not exciting, and the bottom line is HBO drew a rating of 5.9, and Klitsko vs. Byrd drew 3.4 Taylor vs. Wright drew 3.6, so Toney do have a point (by the way 5.9 mean 5.9mil viewers, most ages 18-34) so he is not just talking out his ass, he has stats to back it up.

But with all that aside, Toney made 1.9 Mil vs. Rahman, why would he accept 1.5 to fight klitsko when Klitsko fight is obviously bigger then Rahman, thats like De La hoya offering floyd 6 million to fight him, when Margrito fight is on the tble for 8 million, A rematch with Rahman will get Toney 2.5mil!

First I was like you MH till Dan broke it down to Greg, and then I seen what he was saying because Klitsko was set to make 4-5 mil more then toney and thats just crazy after seeing the ratings on both of there last fights on HBO.

OMG, are you telling me Toney was so scared of BIG BAd Klitsko that decided to fight little ol' Peter? Wow now I see! Come on give me a break Klitsko Clearly stated even if peter got a title he had no interest in fighting him, Peter who knocked him down 3 times! Get real your the main one saying titles dont mean somethin, now your telling me ohh he fighting someone without a title, well Sergvich guy is fighting that guy who beat tyson, Hasim is fighting Olge, and Klitsko is fighting briggs, I wont even mention that 7' foot giant who is still fighting the Owen becks of the world! So what is he suppose to do? either wait and be next in line for rahman, or he can fight and risk his number 1 spot and fight peter? He did something that would make the old school fighters proud he didnt pull a floyd mayweather or a Roy Jones, he took the toughest fight that was availble, while he could have fought a 40 year old McCall he decided to fight a real challenger.

mh2365 · 07-07-2006, 11:10 PM

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MH Come on you telling me the Toney vs. Rahman fight was not exciting? LOL they both threw and landed like the 2nd or 3rd most punches in heavyweight history, I dont think anyone in here can say that fight was not exciting, and the bottom line is HBO drew a rating of 5.9, and Klitsko vs. Byrd drew 3.4 Taylor vs. Wright drew 3.6, so Toney do have a point (by the way 5.9 mean 5.9mil viewers, most ages 18-34) so he is not just talking out his ass, he has stats to back it up.

But with all that aside, Toney made 1.9 Mil vs. Rahman, why would he accept 1.5 to fight klitsko when Klitsko fight is obviously bigger then Rahman, thats like De La hoya offering floyd 6 million to fight him, when Margrito fight is on the tble for 8 million, A rematch with Rahman will get Toney 2.5mil!

First I was like you MH till Dan broke it down to Greg, and then I seen what he was saying because Klitsko was set to make 4-5 mil more then toney and thats just crazy after seeing the ratings on both of there last fights on HBO.

OMG, are you telling me Toney was so scared of BIG BAd Klitsko that decided to fight little ol' Peter? Wow now I see! Come on give me a break Klitsko Clearly stated even if peter got a title he had no interest in fighting him, Peter who knocked him down 3 times! Get real your the main one saying titles dont mean somethin, now your telling me ohh he fighting someone without a title, well Sergvich guy is fighting that guy who beat tyson, Hasim is fighting Olge, and Klitsko is fighting briggs, I wont even mention that 7' foot giant who is still fighting the Owen becks of the world! So what is he suppose to do? either wait and be next in line for rahman, or he can fight and risk his number 1 spot and fight peter? He did something that would make the old school fighters proud he didnt pull a floyd mayweather or a Roy Jones, he took the toughest fight that was availble, while he could have fought a 40 year old McCall he decided to fight a real challenger.

No he should have taken the Klitschko fight if he sucks so bad and won the title, but then again he couldn't beat Ruiz without steriods and he couldn't beat Rahman who freaking sucks so I see why he cried about the $$$ it was and excuse plain and simple.

Erick hard to argue with you because you hate Wlad more than I like him. You're wrong on this one though, Toney is running scared of Wlad, he knows there is no way he can beat a 6'7" fight who won't just lean on him the entire fight. He knows Klitschko takes him out inside of 4 rounds. No disputing that unless you just hate Wlad which you do.

a87star · 07-07-2006, 11:12 PM

This discussion is getting quite interesting.......LOL

mh2365 · 07-07-2006, 11:17 PM

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This discussion is getting quite interesting.......LOL

not really Erick and I always argue when Wlad is involved LOL

07-02-2006, 12:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
lethal liberal All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 855	Toney vs Peter..Sept on SHO From all the reports that I have read,this fight is actually going to come off as reported. A few questions: Will Toney get in shape? Will Sam ever learn to avoid the jab? As good as Toneys chin has been,can it stand up to the devastating power of Peter? What do you guys think? If nothing else,it has me intriqued by the possibilities. I am amazed that it is going to be on cable instead of PPV.

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a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,022	This discussion is getting quite interesting.......LOL Last edited by a87star : 07-07-2006 at 11:14 PM.

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07-02-2006, 12:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Hopefully Peter by a stunning devastating KO

07-02-2006, 01:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
Scoman All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: heath ohio Posts: 1,029	Well i think if Toney would get his head out of his rear,and come into the fight in decent shape,hed have a decent shot at winning,but we all know that he probably wont be in shape again.

07-06-2006, 01:45 AM	#7 (permalink)
erickdamac All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,592	The above post most be a joke, how can someone lose there competive edge, when there taking on the hardest punching heavyweight in the devision and the guy got a chin and is 12 years younger then him? Anyway I heard james might come in around 230 because of the size diffrence but this time a more fit 230 more to come on Btalk front page with an interview by next monday.

07-06-2006, 02:24 AM	#9 (permalink)
lethal liberal All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 855	Yeah,I used to really despise Toney(being a fan of Roy Jones..lol)but he had earned my respect and I had actually started to really enjoy watching him fight. His fight against Jirov was one of the best fights in the last few years. Then,he shows up badly out of shape against Rahman. If he had just been in slightly better shape he would have won the fight. That being said,he has shown an amazing chin,condsidering he started as a middleweight. In a lot of the forums on the net,Toney seems to be the favorite,but on here everyone seems to think Sam will get the job done. I think Peter is probably the most devastating puncher the division has at this point,but his total lack of defense against Wlad really dissapointed me. With just a little head movement and a few of his own jabs he could have finished Wlad off. If Toney shows up the way he did against Rahman,forget it. However,if he decides to get in shape he could make a fight of it. As good as Toneys chin has been,I dont think he has faced the type of power that Sam brings to the ring. Peter has the type of power that you only see every decade or so. I can almost hear the power of his punches on my surround sound..lol. I think this was a dangerous fight for both fighters to take,and I applaud them for it. Toney could have waited for his rematch with Rahman,and Peter had several offers that probably would have been easier prey. I am glad to see that the top heavyweights are starting to fight each other. I think the division is a little better than a lot of people might think. If the planets align just right,this could be a very exciting fight. Then again,I have been wrong before.

07-07-2006, 01:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
erickdamac All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,592	Well from bits I heard from the interview (the ** recorded is fuked so we gonna reinterview him) but from what I heard, he said that Peter is a tune up in his eyes and he said he never been hurt in his career and he said klitsko was scared out of his mind thats why peter didnt get knocked out and that if klitsko had some balls he would have koed him in 2 rounds. He also lies the fact that Peter will be coming forward because he said And im not exactly sure so bare with me because the recorder is really **ed, but it sounded like he said that peter swings wild and that his counters will be so quick that the surprise will be his power, and that he is looking to come in 230 225. Bt im mean you can say he is fat and what not but you cant say he lost his competive edge come on, rahman didnt want to fight peter klitsko didnt want the rematch no one wanted the fight except toney so come on give the dude credit, he spars everyday! but he eats every minute lol, whileh ewas on the phone wit greg he was eating hot dogs lmao!

07-07-2006, 06:52 AM	#11 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Love how Toney bad mouths klitschko again yet he turned down an offer to fight him ... Toney is a b**ch plain and simple. Good to see you back again Eric but you still put too much stock in BT and seem to believe every word a boxer says in an interview.

07-07-2006, 09:17 PM	#16 (permalink)
eltorrente Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 71	I wonder what will happen if Toney beats Peter convincingly? What will people say about him then in regards to his possible likelihood of beating Wlad? I'm sure his stock will rise significantly. This scenario is certainly a possibility. Say Toney UDs or gasp TKO's Peter (hey you never know it could happen.. we never thought he could do that to Real Deal..). Toney would set himself up for a big money showdown with Wlad - if he beats Briggs. Whatever happens with Toney/Peter, I'll be there at Staples Center close to the ring watching it live! My friends and I are buying floor tickets as soon as they become available. We are going to buy the best possible tickets we can get. None of us have ever seen a professional boxing match, so we decided to cruise up to LA and check this one out. I'm excited and will be happy no matter who wins.