Putting the record STRAIGHT.

[Boxingnut]

Please be aware that I have read no messages in the last 36 - 48 hours.

Once these boards were a daily visit for me. There were and still are some decent people on here, but sadly I feel things have changed for the worse. Now the Aggressive Know-It Alls (AKIA's) have come to the fore and woe betide anyone who has the temerity to hold an opposing view. I, for one, am tired of it, really tired of it. That's why I am taking a long, long break away from these boards, I am hoping if I stay away long enough, the urge to ever return will pass.

I seem to be a target for the AKIA's although if I live to be a 100 I will never know why it has become so personal. Let me tell you something that happened on these boards a while back.

There was a discussion on a thread about a boxing magazine that ran a feature on the 20 greatest Mexican fighters of all-time. Javier, one of the beta testers from Mexico, said what a pity, he could not read it as the magazine was not on sale in Mexico. I pm'd Javier and asked him to pm me his address and I would send him the magazine, which I did. It cost me about $15 and I told Javier if I was ever in Mexico I would expect a cervesa!!
If any of the AKIA's feel I am lying then pm Javier and ask him.

Why am I telling this? To say "look what a good guy I am"?
No because this is what I am really like, the real me. Some might think I'm soft but I don't belive that "kindness is weakness" bs. No one makes a mug of me though. No, I did it because that is what I think the internet and forums like this should be about; people helping each other, having a laugh, discussing things civilised, learning from others even if they have a polar opposite viewpoint to you. What it is NOT about is mouthing off and being rude and aggressive to someone who has an opposing view and using a forum to work out their personal issues. Keyboard warriors, people who are brave sitting behind a keyboard and saying things they would not have the guts to say to your face are common on the internet and now sadly they have made their way into this forum. Some of the AIKA's one here act like they own the board. This is happened, I believe, because we are pretty much self regulated and trusted to behave ourselves.

You would think with boxing being a minority sport and a game about boxing being such a niche product then the best way forward would be to stick together and try and get along wherever possible but it seems that the AKIA's want to divide.

About 2 weeks ago I found a bug to do with the fight record screen. And yet I hesitated to post it because I pretty much knew the heat I would get from the AKIA's (who do you think you are, coming on here and posting bugs and criticising our freaking game when you are pimping another game?). It pretty much writes itself. In the end I decided the potential hassle wasn't worth it and posted nothing. When things get to that stage it is time to go. When it gets petty and personal (eg go crawl into the woodwork, go and play your little game) then I want no part of it.

For the first time in years, www.ootpdevelopments.com, no longer sits in the My Favourites folder. A shame really as I felt, ideas-wise at least, I could have offered something.

No doubt the AKIA's will gloat, claim some kind of victory, call me a tosser, come up with some excuse. Whatever. Thankfully I won't be around to listen to it.

Sorry for going on a bit, I will take my copy of Title Bout and get lost now.

Adios.

[CONN CHRIS]

I've never been one to be rude. I did pop-off at Buddy this week because I have viewed him for a long time as someone who contributes nothing to our community and only stops in from time-to-time to make a rude remark. Yes he makes valid points as well but the balance of his time here is spent being the self appointed minister of doom. I finally got tired of it.

I apologize if that rant may have struck you as one in response to people in general who post problems with the game. It wasn't meant that way and I myself have posted problems and complaints as well. That's how they get fixed.

I really do not care if I offended Buddy on the other hand. I intended to and truly hope he stops posting doomy predictions or simply leaves. I can do without a guy that is posting on the main board here that TBCB is crumbling and doomed within 60 days of getting the most recent update. That's not someone who "has the temerity to hold an opposing view"; that's someone who will moan and complain and drag everyone down under any and all circumstances. I loath that type of person. Buddy posts as that type of person and I hope that he changes or leaves.

I do not feel that way about you or anyone else. I think you have an issue with one person here and really should be taking it up with him.

[a87star]

Originally Posted by Boxingnut

There was a discussion on a thread about a boxing magazine that ran a feature on the 20 greatest Mexican fighters of all-time. Javier, one of the beta testers from Mexico, said what a pity, he could not read it as the magazine was not on sale in Mexico. I pm'd Javier and asked him to pm me his address and I would send him the magazine, which I did. It cost me about $15 and I told Javier if I was ever in Mexico I would expect a cervesa!!

Today I helped a guy who just bought the game yesterday and began posting some women fighter photos. I sent him the photo pack and the updated .tbdx files of these fighters that vistaman did a very good job on. I am willing to help anyone that is trying to contribute to the community but refuse to help anyone that comes here to slam the game and the people who created it.

You might have done that for Javier but what have you done lately? Come here and make statement that the new version of TBCB is not coming out and taking shots at the game without knowing the whole story? Advertise this new game to benefit you and whoever created it and slam TBCB on another game forum? Not cool at all. At least show Andreas support and give him his due on doing the best he can with this game. You and Buddy share a lot in common.

Here's some good advice: If you are going to leave a forum, don't make it all theatric by posting a goodbye message filled with untruthful statments about the posters here. Also, when people say they are leaving a forum, they tend to keep reading what goes on here. They just stop posting and/or logging in. Your statement of "leaving for good" can be interpreted as a crock. I may be wrong but that is what usually happens.

[Buddy Whatshisname]

There's some people here who have opinions I respect, and then there are the addle-pated gits who already know who they are. I have more than once deliberately stirred things up on this board to draw the design team into the conversation. Sometimes I jump in when I see another poster under unprovoked attack. There are three or four guys on this forum who are loud-mouthed Shnooks, and if they elected to leave I wouldn't shed a tear. Please don't feel your presence here is necessary.

I will now restrict myself to only gleefully positive remarks in full compliance with the forum standard. This game is great. I love this game. This game which is great, I love. Love for this great game I feel.

vox populi, vox Dei!

Buddy

[javier_83]

PLease people, maybe he make a mistake, but everybody does, yes he give the magazine and i will be gratefull with him, but we need to respet everybody so we can enjoy or greathgame

[mh2365]

All I have to say about this, because I'm sure he is referring to me, is never once have I jumped on someone for making constructive criticism of this game.

I didn't like boxingnut advertising another game on this board, but once Andreas said he didn't care I didn't have a problem with it either. What I did have a problem with was Boxingnut acting like I was jumping on him because he made suggestions about the game. You badmouthed the game on another site, it's not right and you know it.

I don't want you to leave the board, but I would prefer you no longer be a beta tester for this game since you are going to prop up the new game you test by badmouthing this one.

As for people sitting behind their keyboards ... as I have done on several other occasions I would be more than happy to PM you my home address ... I've given it to several other people who have talked crap about me and not one of them has shown up to talk to me about.

My suggestion to you, because you once were a valuable member of the community unlike buddy, is apologize for badmouthing the game and quit whining. If you do that then no one is going to say anything else to you. But if you want to leave then don't make a big production just freaking go.

Still waiting for you to put the record STRAIGHT by saying you were wrong to badmouth this game on Grey Dog.

[Lee]

I have to back Mike here. He is a strong supporter of the game as we all are and is passionate about it. But, I have never seen him jump anyones ass for criticism. There is a line that gets cross and Mike responds strongly when that happens...Hell I would want someone like Mike to have my back when the Sh*t hits the fan.

When does Football practice start for your Son by the way Mike? If I remember they should be pretty good this year. (Sorry to threadjack midpost, but I get excited when Fall practice draws near))

[mh2365]

I'll find the thread tomorrow and post an update ... thanks Lee for the support but I think everyone knows my only problem with boxingnut is him badmouthing the game on Grey dog.

[wildhawke11]

There is a boxing manager game in development as we speak. I am going to begin testing in a couple of weeks. The programmer is the guy who did APBA Horse Racing for Windows and APBA Golf for Windows. If you have seen either of those programs you will know what to expect.

The engine is based on World of Boxing, the computer version of Championship Boxing by Lambourne Games. I also play tested Title Bout Championship Boxing 2 and it is a very good game, the more you put into it the more you will get out of it but it is a sim only. A management game for TBCB has been promised for years now but I would not hold your breath.
If it's ok with the powers that be on these boards I will keep you updated as to the progress.
Regards
Rob


The above is the post done by Boxingnut on Grey Dog that seems to have upset Mike so much. Now lets take a step back and take a look at it and the way he supposedly knocked the game. He points out that TBCB is a very good game. (nothing wrong in that, in fact quite the opposite) His next remark about a management game being promised for years. Again Rob is correct on that one, i dont think anyone who has been here a few years would dispute that one.

So its obviously that last remark about not holding your breath that seems to have upset Mike so much. Well the fact is at the time Rob posted that on Grey Dog no word had been given about that new add on so i dare say a good many people on this forum would probably have been guilty of thinking along the same lines as Rob as the years not months went by just waiting for the role-play to become a reality.

Give this some thought maybe it was Boxingnuts post about that new boxing game that he posted here at this site. That caused as if by magic the sudden appearance of Jim Trunzo himself to appear on our board and out of the blue surprise us with details of the add on that will hopefully be appearing in the future. Note i did say maybe. Note also Jim would and quite rightly so gave no clue as to when that add on might be ready for release. So Rob's words about not holding your breath on that one could still ring true.

As for Robs remark about aggressive behaviour from some who will not have a bad word said about our game. I for one have to agree with him. Its ok to defend this game when you dont agree with another persons point of view. But you have to try and do it in a correct and non abusive way. Because always keep in mind there may be other new people reading these forums who might find an aggressive attitude by some posters to say the least to be very off putting and of course could be driving away some potential new buyers.

[lethal liberal]

Perfect Wildhawke. I am extremely loyal to TBCB,have been for years..but I do like to hear of any new games or competition on the market. I really didnt think his comments was that bad..but ya know how things can spiral out of hand once the trash talking starts. I have been on these boards for over a year..have played TBCB since it was a board game. I havent had time to post much the last 6 months(divorce,moving etc.),but I have always dropped in to read the posts and check things out(at least once or twice a week)on here. I know Mh(Mike)is a very knowledgeable and valuable member of this forum who has always helped me when I have asked..but I think he may have been just a tad too rough on the guy. I like this forum because of the intelligent conversation and lack of all the bashing trash talk that goes on elsewhere. I think this whole situation could have been avoided with just a little restraint by both parties. I think just about all of the regular and semi regulars on this forum are some of the most knowledgeable fans anywhere. I challenge anyone to find a similar group with more information about boxing than the combined brains of everyone on here. Hopefully,we can return to the intelligent conversation that has made this forum the best around. I have been goading into arguments and let my anger get the best of me..have even told a guy my address(like Mike mentioned)to prove that he was all talk. In retrospect that wasnt very smart of me..lol. I understand both points in this little dustup and take no sides. I hope both guys can bury the hatchet,we could use both of their views on here.

[Cap]

Yeah. I agree LL. I would advise Mike to be a little more circumspect about giving away his home address. If it's just me that's one thing, but I have family, like most here, and there are a few unstable folks in cyberspace.

Remember, boys and girls, Internet Rule Number 1: Do Not give away personal information to strangers on the net.

Cap

[mh2365]

Yeah but I'm probabley one of the unstable folks

[lethal liberal]

LOL..same here Mike. I just had a guy that would track me down in different forums and always run off at the mouth,then he started sending me emails. After tiring of the BS...I challenged him in front of several people on a conference session. I gave him my address and offered to drive and meet the guy...of course,like most internet tough guys..he backed away and wasnt heard from again. In talking to people later on..I found out the guy only lives about 50 minutes from my house. LOL. However,I would not advise that...no matter how tough and fearless a person may be..a bullet usually evens things up. I have learned to just ignore people who talk trash and make idiotic statements to try and provoke a response. I have found that to be the best method...seems to bother them more than all the trash talk in the world..when you just ignore them. Well,I think this whole situation was blown out of whack...both of you guys should be able to patch it up and move on. I think you both sound like very intelligent people. Now...back to boxing....

[mh2365]

No I don't have that big of a problem with boxingnut .. still respect him just didn't like the way he acted as if I singled him out (which I didn't) for saying he wanted the colors of the boxers to match (which I didn't)

[JCWeb]

[quote=mh2365]All I have to say about this, because I'm sure he is referring to me, is never once have I jumped on someone for making constructive criticism of this game.

MH, sorry, I have to disagree with you -- first time I expressed concerns about the most recent patch and suggested it had not been throughly playtested you jumped all over me -- see post #62 (responding to mine at #60) in the above thread:

Public Beta 2.0.25 available! (EDIT: 2.0.27 now)

I would also note that at least two of the problems with the patch were confirmed by yourself and another playtester in posts made later in that thread but had I not persisted and been intimidated by your rather immature initial reaction, I doubt as much attention would be focused on the issue (and I later got a personal email from Mr. Trunzo saying he appreciated my comments).

Regarding the topic at hand, my views are on the side of buddy and boxing nut. Nothing I have read by them strikes me as unduly offensive or inappropriate.

This is an open discussion forum. As long as boxingnut, Buddy, whomever post here without using profanity or anything else that the moderator views as improper (and last time I looked the moderator here was not mh or Chris Conn), they should be free to express those views without fear of ridicule. Just because someone has 2,800 posts or so, the board owes them nothing. People should feel free to contribute and discuss as much or as little as they see fit. If you don't like what somewhat says, discuss the issue rationally but these personal attacks back and forth are really unnecessary.

(Sorry for taking so long to post on this, I was out of town this past week.)

[mh2365]

Never jumped on you for criticizing the game, jump on you for saying it wasn't throughly playtested ... noted that later while answering your questions in the thread also.

The dumbest thing anyone can say is "why wasn't this caught in beta testing" just shows complete and utter ignorance.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by JCWeb

Regarding the topic at hand, my views are on the side of buddy and boxing nut. Nothing I have read by them strikes me as unduly offensive or inappropriate.

This is an open discussion forum. As long as boxingnut, Buddy, whomever post here without using profanity or anything else that the moderator views as improper (and last time I looked the moderator here was not mh or Chris Conn), they should be free to express those views without fear of ridicule. Just because someone has 2,800 posts or so, the board owes them nothing. People should feel free to contribute and discuss as much or as little as they see fit. If you don't like what somewhat says, discuss the issue rationally but these personal attacks back and forth are really unnecessary.

Agreed:

Buddy is certainly free to show up once in a while and post vitriolic comments or bash Americans.

I am free to get fed up with his nonsense, though I admittedly should not have been quite so harsh.

You are free to take a stab at me because I post more frequently than you do.

[rickert]

[quote=JCWeb]

Originally Posted by mh2365

Regarding the topic at hand, my views are on the side of buddy and boxing nut. Nothing I have read by them strikes me as unduly offensive or inappropriate.

This is an open discussion forum. As long as boxingnut, Buddy, whomever post here without using profanity or anything else that the moderator views as improper (and last time I looked the moderator here was not mh or Chris Conn), they should be free to express those views without fear of ridicule. Just because someone has 2,800 posts or so, the board owes them nothing. People should feel free to contribute and discuss as much or as little as they see fit. If you don't like what somewhat says, discuss the issue rationally but these personal attacks back and forth are really unnecessary.

(Sorry for taking so long to post on this, I was out of town this past week.)

I must disagree here. I think Buddy and boxingnut were matched tone for tone. In some cases it was more the way they said things than what they said. Surly attitudes will be met in kind here and that's fine with me. You also need to consider the baggage that people bring with them to the boards. If someone has a past history to bash everything that moves or if they are known to trash this game on other boards, people will read their posts differently and respond to them differently and that's fine too.

If someone posts things about this game that are regarded as unfair and harsh, then it should be expected that those who love this game will react in kind. That's the way of the world. If you're not prepared to take the consequences or posting harsh opinions, my advice would be to shut up.