Diaz - Morales spoiler thread

mh2365 · 08-04-2007, 09:52 PM

Starting one since I am recording all the fights tonight!

meade95 · 08-04-2007, 10:52 PM

Give Solis credit.....He was hurt and came back to KO Mayol......Good fight!

a87star · 08-04-2007, 11:20 PM

Solis/Mayol sounded like a hell of a fight! Meade who was winning when Mayol got KO'ed?

maxx · 08-05-2007, 12:23 AM

I didn't catch the scores for Solis/Mayol before the stoppage, but I had Solis up by a small margin. However, Mayol was coming on & if the judges corrected for the ref's failure to recognize Mayol's KD of Solis the scores could have gone the other way.

I'll tell you, though, it was a beautiful KO combination.

pat · 08-05-2007, 12:35 AM

Yep, a good 1-2 punch. Mayol was dazed.

The referee got it wrong, not recognizing the knockdown of Solis. But still, nice come back.

a87star · 08-05-2007, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxx

I didn't catch the scores for Solis/Mayol before the stoppage, but I had Solis up by a small margin. However, Mayol was coming on & if the judges corrected for the ref's failure to recognize Mayol's KD of Solis the scores could have gone the other way.

I'll tell you, though, it was a beautiful KO combination.

I'm dying to see this fight now. Sounds like with all the controversy regarding a missed knockdown there could be a rematch.

Thunder · 08-05-2007, 10:50 AM

not a single post on the main event? I guess that says a lot for the relevence of this bout!

meade95 · 08-05-2007, 11:01 AM

I doubt Solis will give Mayol a rematch - His camp took this fight unexpectedly to begin with -

Two tough losses now for R. Mayol (the kid has talent, he is only 25). I'd love for him to get a rematch with Solis.....But he should take two fights or so, get sharp and then try for another world title shot.

I'm not sure of the official scores either at the time of stoppage - But with a correctly scored Mayol KD....I had Mayol up slightly - A good fight!

As for E. Morales......He did better than many expected......Just old, his legs were just shot.....With what he has left in the tank (and legs) Morales fought a good fight.....It was close. The 12th seem to seal it for Diaz....

a87star · 08-05-2007, 12:43 PM

Morales did a lot better than most people thought and for him to last twelve rounds after the two beatings Pacquiao gave him is probably a moral victory for him.

People are calling for Morales to have a rematch with Diaz but his legs are shot and he's a shell of his former self. Doesn't make sense to me.

maxx · 08-05-2007, 01:17 PM

Although it was a close fight, I really don't see the point of a rematch. In my opinion there were a lot of close rounds, but Diaz' aggression and ability to keep Morales on the ropes all night got him the nod.

Morales can still crack while absorbing punishment, but that's about it.

mh2365 · 08-05-2007, 02:28 PM

Wow I watched an entirely different fight. I had Morales up 8 rounds to 4. I thought he got jobbed.

I gave Morales the first 6 rounds, the 9th and the 11th. Diaz was all aggression in the first 6 rounds but it wasn't "effective aggression" He got nailed time and time again coming in. Morales landed a higher number and with better accuracy through 6. The only round you could possibly give Diaz in the first 6 was the first and that was negated by the Knockdown.

A unanimous decision was an absolute joke.

Mayol got hurt by the knockdown in the previous round .. not by them not counting it but it looked like he got cocky in the next round and paid the price.

Boring but solid fight for Lopez.

Chavez Jr. got touched up a bit but hit Louis Brown with every shot in the book. Brown could take a punch but overall nice showing by Chavez Jr. Looking forward to him and Gomez.

Jim_Kidd · 08-05-2007, 02:48 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a rematch. Hardly anyone walks off into the "sunset" anymore. They go stumbling, staggering, etc. Some need the money... some want the money... etc. But can you imagine how the physical damage is going to affect some of these guys 10 - 15 years from now?

I know some guys who are a mess - just from working outdoors in the cold weather for 15 years. Fighters like Morales, Holyfield, etc., they've been in more wars than you can count, not to mention the punishment of who knows how many rounds of sparing/fighting in the gym.

Marco Antonio Barerra is another example.

Well, at least you have to give Mike Tyson some credit. At least he's not making another comeback.

Seniors golf and tennis is one thing. Seniors boxing is another.

meade95 · 08-05-2007, 09:26 PM

Seeing the judges cards.......of the Diaz/Morales fight...

That one of the judges gave Diaz a 10-8 second round is a joke! - Diaz scored no kd and didn't dominate a round to the point of a 10-8 whatsoever!

To make matters worse...this same judge DID NOT give Morales a 10-8 score in the 1st round...when he DID score a clean knockdown of Diaz...

Judges in boxing today just seem to be getting worse and worse...

a87star · 08-05-2007, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meade95

Seeing the judges cards.......of the Diaz/Morales fight...

That one of the judges gave Diaz a 10-8 second round is a joke! - Diaz scored no kd and didn't dominate a round to the point of a 10-8 whatsoever!

To make matters worse...this same judge DID NOT give Morales a 10-8 score in the 1st round...when he DID score a clean knockdown of Diaz...

Judges in boxing today just seem to be getting worse and worse...

Morales definitely got screwed against Diaz. I had him winning by a few rounds and it sounds like a few judges got their palms greased.

mh2365 · 08-05-2007, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meade95

Seeing the judges cards.......of the Diaz/Morales fight...

That one of the judges gave Diaz a 10-8 second round is a joke! - Diaz scored no kd and didn't dominate a round to the point of a 10-8 whatsoever!

To make matters worse...this same judge DID NOT give Morales a 10-8 score in the 1st round...when he DID score a clean knockdown of Diaz...

Judges in boxing today just seem to be getting worse and worse...

Unbelievable .. I didn't give Morales a 10-8 first round but I thought he won the second round. How could a judge see that as a 10-8 round for Diaz????

I'm not a Morales fan and I thought he got screwed. If I am a Diaz opponent I don't fight in Chicago.

bear · 08-05-2007, 11:48 PM

I've been a fight fan for a long long time and the Morales Diaz bout has to be the best fight I've ever seen live. Really glad I treated myself to this one. Forked up $200 for a seat thirteen rows from ringside. Didn't regret one dime of it. El Terrible had enough left to make this one competitive throughout 11 rounds. Twelve intense crowd-pleasing rounds for the fans. Diaz had more left in the 12th, dominated the round and needed it to to secure the decision on the judge's cards. Outstanding fight with great sustained intensity. Didn't want to see it end. Glad I wasn't trying to score this one either. It was a joy to watch and a meomory I'll cherish.
The War for Four was aptly named.

Chavez Jr. faced a game but outclassed Louis Brown. Dianzo vs. Lopez was as turgidly boring as Morales vs. Diaz was exciting. Mayol vs. Solis Jr. in a flyweight trinket bout. Solis finished off a combination with a devestating overhand hand right to the button. Mayol hit the canvas so fast I thought he'd been vaporized. A really impressive ko.

On the unseen undercard Bernabe Concepcion looked sharp and classy stopping Gabriel Elizondo. Elizondo was dropped, got up had no legs and wobbled back down and the ref stopped it. He was game and upset about the stoppage but I didn't disagree with it. He'd taken some shots and could have been hurt. This duke was for the NABF super bantam belt. Now I don't understand how Concepcion could have fought for it since he's from the Philippines, but I'm not an alphabet guy.

A crowd pleasing local prospect, Donavan "Da Bomb" George stoppped Shay Mosely in super-middleweight action. George is part of the Cestus Boxing team and entered the ring wearing a Roman helmet. Does a back flip when wins and gives the crowd a good show. A strong local middleweight prospect, Michael Walker looked good stopping Dante Craig. I've seen both of these kids fight prelims before at Cicero stadium and their careers seem to be progressing to pre-prime.

Two less impressive undercard decison bouts took place. Victor Polyakov, a Ukranian relocated in Chicago decisioned Jesse Orta. Polyakov looked like a typical European fighter. Mercito Gesta decisioned Carlos Madrid in a super featherweight tilt. Since there were some quick stoppages in the undercard a scheduled 4 rounder with heavyweights Joey Abell and Mike Sheppard ran. Abell threw a looping, pawing left hand and appeared to make minimal contact with Sheppard who flopped for the count in the first. I've had the misfortune of seeing Sheppard try to fight once before on the Diaz-Favela undercard and he needs a new career plan.

Bear

mh2365 · 08-05-2007, 11:51 PM

Glad you enjoyed it too bad the decision was a travesty

meade95 · 08-05-2007, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bear

I've been a fight fan for a long long time and the Morales Diaz bout has to be the best fight I've ever seen live. Really glad I treated myself to this one. Forked up $200 for a seat thirteen rows from ringside. Didn't regret one dime of it. El Terrible had enough left to make this one competitive throughout 11 rounds. Twelve intense crowd-pleasing rounds for the fans. Diaz had more left in the 12th, dominated the round and needed it to to secure the decision on the judge's cards. Outstanding fight with great sustained intensity. Didn't want to see it end. Glad I wasn't trying to score this one either. It was a joy to watch and a meomory I'll cherish.
The War for Four was aptly named.

Chavez Jr. faced a game but outclassed Louis Brown. Dianzo vs. Lopez was as turgidly boring as Morales vs. Diaz was exciting. Mayol vs. Solis Jr. in aflyweight trinnket bout. Solis finished off a combination with a devestating overhand hand right to the button. Mayol hit the canvas so fast I thought he'd been vaporized. A really impressive ko.

On the unseen undercard Bernabe Concepcion looked sharp and classy stopping Gabriel Elizondo. Elizondo was dropped, got up had no legs and wobbled back down and the ref stopped it. He was game and upset about the stoppage but I didn't disagree with it. He'd taken some shots and could have been hurt. This duke was for the NABF super bantam belt. Now I don't understand how Concepcion could have fought for it since he's from the Philippines, but I'm not an alphabet guy.

A crowd pleasing local prospect, Donavan "Da Bomb" George stoppped Shay Mosely in super-middleweight action. George is part of the Cestus Boxing team and entered the ring wearing a Roman helmet. Does a back flip when wins and gives the crowd a good show. A strong local middleweight prospect, Michael Walker looked good stopping Dante Craig. I've seen both of these kids fight prelims before at Cicero stadium and their careers seem to be progressing to pre-prime.

Two less impressive undercard decison bouts took place. Victor Polyakov, a Ukranian relocated in Chicago decisioned Jesse Orta. Polyakov looked like a typical European fighter. Mercito Gesta decisioned Carlos Madrid in a super featherweight tilt. Since there were some quick stoppages in the undercard a scheduled 4 rounder with heavyweights Joey Abell and Mike Sheppard. Abell threw a looping, pawing left hand and appeared to make minimal contact with Sheppard who flopped for the count. I've had the misfortune of seeing Sheppard try to fight once before on the Diaz-Favela undercard and he needs a new career plan.

Bear

Excellent write up regarding seeing these fights from ring side - Thanks

mh2365 · 08-05-2007, 11:55 PM

A little surprised Mike Mollo wasn't on the card

bear · 08-06-2007, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meade95

Seeing the judges cards.......of the Diaz/Morales fight...

That one of the judges gave Diaz a 10-8 second round is a joke! - Diaz scored no kd and didn't dominate a round to the point of a 10-8 whatsoever!

To make matters worse...this same judge DID NOT give Morales a 10-8 score in the 1st round...when he DID score a clean knockdown of Diaz...

Judges in boxing today just seem to be getting worse and worse...

Although I wasn't scoring the fight, I can't see any round in it as a 10 - 8.

I don't root for a particular fighter when I'm watching a fight. I'm more interested in seeing a good bout. Although Diaz has a local following I can't describe myself as a partular fan of his. He did look better Saturday than he did against Favela the last time I saw him in live action.
I have an easier time scoring fights when I watch a tape with the sound turned off so I'm not influenced by either the broadcasters of the crowd.
Judging a fight while there live is a little harder for me. Some of the action
gets blocked by the crowd. Crowd partisanship makes it tough. It was hard to really gauge the effectiveness of Diaz's agression because it was cheered for so boistrously. It was easy to appreciate the canniness of El Terrible and his counter attacks. Aggression versus guile. Two world class fighters giving there all for twelve rounds. While watching the War for Four I was happier as a spectator. Wouldn't have wanted a judge's chair.

Bear

08-04-2007, 09:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
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08-05-2007, 12:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
pat Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 2,635	Yep, a good 1-2 punch. Mayol was dazed. The referee got it wrong, not recognizing the knockdown of Solis. But still, nice come back. __________________ TWB -- (1950-) Baltimore Orioles 1960 Champs, 1970 Champs IFB -- (2001-) China Citizens 2001 Champs Pirates of Pennsylvania - My OOTP Dynasty My Blog

08-05-2007, 10:50 AM	#7 (permalink)
Thunder Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,180	not a single post on the main event? I guess that says a lot for the relevence of this bout! __________________ A government of the people, by the people, and for the people has not perished from the Earth. ~ A person I won't name said this, but he proved the U.S. electorate is sick of baseless partisan attacks (but for reasons unknown, the only ones that don't seem to have gotten the message are the ones who lost out because of said attacks).

08-05-2007, 11:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
meade95 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,795	I doubt Solis will give Mayol a rematch - His camp took this fight unexpectedly to begin with - Two tough losses now for R. Mayol (the kid has talent, he is only 25). I'd love for him to get a rematch with Solis.....But he should take two fights or so, get sharp and then try for another world title shot. I'm not sure of the official scores either at the time of stoppage - But with a correctly scored Mayol KD....I had Mayol up slightly - A good fight! As for E. Morales......He did better than many expected......Just old, his legs were just shot.....With what he has left in the tank (and legs) Morales fought a good fight.....It was close. The 12th seem to seal it for Diaz.... Last edited by meade95 : 08-05-2007 at 11:02 AM.

08-05-2007, 02:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Wow I watched an entirely different fight. I had Morales up 8 rounds to 4. I thought he got jobbed. I gave Morales the first 6 rounds, the 9th and the 11th. Diaz was all aggression in the first 6 rounds but it wasn't "effective aggression" He got nailed time and time again coming in. Morales landed a higher number and with better accuracy through 6. The only round you could possibly give Diaz in the first 6 was the first and that was negated by the Knockdown. A unanimous decision was an absolute joke. Mayol got hurt by the knockdown in the previous round .. not by them not counting it but it looked like he got cocky in the next round and paid the price. Boring but solid fight for Lopez. Chavez Jr. got touched up a bit but hit Louis Brown with every shot in the book. Brown could take a punch but overall nice showing by Chavez Jr. Looking forward to him and Gomez. Last edited by mh2365 : 08-05-2007 at 02:30 PM.

08-04-2007, 10:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
meade95 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,795	Give Solis credit.....He was hurt and came back to KO Mayol......Good fight!

08-04-2007, 11:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,023	Solis/Mayol sounded like a hell of a fight! Meade who was winning when Mayol got KO'ed?

08-05-2007, 12:23 AM	#4 (permalink)
maxx All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 711	I didn't catch the scores for Solis/Mayol before the stoppage, but I had Solis up by a small margin. However, Mayol was coming on & if the judges corrected for the ref's failure to recognize Mayol's KD of Solis the scores could have gone the other way. I'll tell you, though, it was a beautiful KO combination.

08-05-2007, 12:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,023	Morales did a lot better than most people thought and for him to last twelve rounds after the two beatings Pacquiao gave him is probably a moral victory for him. People are calling for Morales to have a rematch with Diaz but his legs are shot and he's a shell of his former self. Doesn't make sense to me.

08-05-2007, 01:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
maxx All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 711	Although it was a close fight, I really don't see the point of a rematch. In my opinion there were a lot of close rounds, but Diaz' aggression and ability to keep Morales on the ropes all night got him the nod. Morales can still crack while absorbing punishment, but that's about it.

08-05-2007, 02:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jim_Kidd All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Florida, West Coast Posts: 578	I wouldn't be surprised if there's a rematch. Hardly anyone walks off into the "sunset" anymore. They go stumbling, staggering, etc. Some need the money... some want the money... etc. But can you imagine how the physical damage is going to affect some of these guys 10 - 15 years from now? I know some guys who are a mess - just from working outdoors in the cold weather for 15 years. Fighters like Morales, Holyfield, etc., they've been in more wars than you can count, not to mention the punishment of who knows how many rounds of sparing/fighting in the gym. Marco Antonio Barerra is another example. Well, at least you have to give Mike Tyson some credit. At least he's not making another comeback. Seniors golf and tennis is one thing. Seniors boxing is another.

08-05-2007, 09:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
meade95 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,795	Seeing the judges cards.......of the Diaz/Morales fight... That one of the judges gave Diaz a 10-8 second round is a joke! - Diaz scored no kd and didn't dominate a round to the point of a 10-8 whatsoever! To make matters worse...this same judge DID NOT give Morales a 10-8 score in the 1st round...when he DID score a clean knockdown of Diaz... Judges in boxing today just seem to be getting worse and worse...

08-05-2007, 11:48 PM	#16 (permalink)
bear Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 5,396	I've been a fight fan for a long long time and the Morales Diaz bout has to be the best fight I've ever seen live. Really glad I treated myself to this one. Forked up $200 for a seat thirteen rows from ringside. Didn't regret one dime of it. El Terrible had enough left to make this one competitive throughout 11 rounds. Twelve intense crowd-pleasing rounds for the fans. Diaz had more left in the 12th, dominated the round and needed it to to secure the decision on the judge's cards. Outstanding fight with great sustained intensity. Didn't want to see it end. Glad I wasn't trying to score this one either. It was a joy to watch and a meomory I'll cherish. The War for Four was aptly named. Chavez Jr. faced a game but outclassed Louis Brown. Dianzo vs. Lopez was as turgidly boring as Morales vs. Diaz was exciting. Mayol vs. Solis Jr. in a flyweight trinket bout. Solis finished off a combination with a devestating overhand hand right to the button. Mayol hit the canvas so fast I thought he'd been vaporized. A really impressive ko. On the unseen undercard Bernabe Concepcion looked sharp and classy stopping Gabriel Elizondo. Elizondo was dropped, got up had no legs and wobbled back down and the ref stopped it. He was game and upset about the stoppage but I didn't disagree with it. He'd taken some shots and could have been hurt. This duke was for the NABF super bantam belt. Now I don't understand how Concepcion could have fought for it since he's from the Philippines, but I'm not an alphabet guy. A crowd pleasing local prospect, Donavan "Da Bomb" George stoppped Shay Mosely in super-middleweight action. George is part of the Cestus Boxing team and entered the ring wearing a Roman helmet. Does a back flip when wins and gives the crowd a good show. A strong local middleweight prospect, Michael Walker looked good stopping Dante Craig. I've seen both of these kids fight prelims before at Cicero stadium and their careers seem to be progressing to pre-prime. Two less impressive undercard decison bouts took place. Victor Polyakov, a Ukranian relocated in Chicago decisioned Jesse Orta. Polyakov looked like a typical European fighter. Mercito Gesta decisioned Carlos Madrid in a super featherweight tilt. Since there were some quick stoppages in the undercard a scheduled 4 rounder with heavyweights Joey Abell and Mike Sheppard ran. Abell threw a looping, pawing left hand and appeared to make minimal contact with Sheppard who flopped for the count in the first. I've had the misfortune of seeing Sheppard try to fight once before on the Diaz-Favela undercard and he needs a new career plan. Bear __________________ Bear's Unstable UTBA Season Four Gold Conference Central Division Champion First UTBA expansion franchise to win a conference divisional title Last edited by bear : 08-06-2007 at 12:48 AM.

08-05-2007, 11:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Glad you enjoyed it too bad the decision was a travesty

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mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	A little surprised Mike Mollo wasn't on the card

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