If Vick were a fighter?

hamed · 08-22-2007, 01:23 PM

Am I glad he's not, can you imagine the beating in the press the sport of boxing would take?

I've heard guys on sports radio say Vick is probably an isolated incident in the NFL (maybe?) but I'll bet they'd sing a different tune if a high profile boxer went to prison over charges like these.

Comedian2004 · 08-22-2007, 01:59 PM

Even more than that, imagine if he was a boxer and we caught Lassie and Tramp betting on his fights.

Tommysixfingers · 08-22-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hamed

Am I glad he's not, can you imagine the beating in the press the sport of boxing would take?

I've heard guys on sports radio say Vick is probably an isolated incident in the NFL (maybe?) but I'll bet they'd sing a different tune if a high profile boxer went to prison over charges like these.

In Sweden, boxing and martial arts always gets a beating in the press. If a guy kicks another one you can be sure that it says "karate kick" in the article. The guy may never have attended a martial arts class but it still says that it was a karate kick. You never read about a "soccer kick" in an article.

If american forces would have found a black cotton belt in the same hole that Saddam hid in, you would have read about the "martial arts practioner and dictator" having been caught in swedish press.

hamed · 08-22-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

In Sweden, boxing and martial arts always gets a beating in the press. If a guy kicks another one you can be sure that it says "karate kick" in the article. The guy may never have attended a martial arts class but it still says that it was a karate kick. You never read about a "soccer kick" in an article.

If american forces would have found a black cotton belt in the same hole that Saddam hid in, you would have read about the "martial arts practioner and dictator" having been caught in swedish press.

That's interesting Tommy. So in Sweden, they lump them together? Here in the US, boxing stands alone - and is cast in a poor light a lot of the time by some people from my experiences.

Your part about Saddam reminded me about a local college joke.

If a UNC fan killed a rabid dog that was a threat to some children, the local paper would call him a hero. Same dog, same situation but an NCSU fan did it & the headline would read:

"NCSU thug kills beloved family pet"

Bottom line, the press can spin a story any way they see fit.

Tommysixfingers · 08-22-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hamed

That's interesting Tommy. So in Sweden, they lump them together? Here in the US, boxing stands alone - and is cast in a poor light a lot of the time by some people from my experiences.

Your part about Saddam reminded me about a local college joke.

If a UNC fan killed a rabid dog that was a threat to some children, the local paper would call him a hero. Same dog, same situation but an NCSU fan did it & the headline would read:

"NCSU thug kills beloved family pet"

Bottom line, the press can spin a story any way they see fit.

I would say that martial arts has a far worse reputation here than boxing.

hamed · 08-22-2007, 03:15 PM

Really? That's interesting!

Here people seem to associate it with Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris so it's viewed mostly in a good sense - heroic in a way.

a87star · 08-22-2007, 03:46 PM

If Michael Vick was a fighter.........he would fit in with the Judah's quite well. A group of heartless and inhumane punks. Knowing how the media is, they would turn that into a freak show and get them on reality TV.

hamed · 08-22-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by a87star

If Michael Vick was a fighter.........he would fit in with the Judah's quite well. A group of heartless and inhumane punks. Knowing how the media is, they would turn that into a freak show and get them on reality TV.

I'd put him in with Gerald McClellan but I hear what you're saying a87.

a87star · 08-22-2007, 06:08 PM

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I'd put him in with Gerald McClellan but I hear what you're saying a87.

The Gerald McClellan situation has always been touchy for people on this board. Like i've stated in the past, the man was extremely cruel to animals but he was one of the most talented and hardest punching MW's of the early to mid 90's. I just would never wish what happened to him against Nigel Benn on anyone but it's definitely karma for Gerald's dogfighting and running over flamingos for amusement. Life just has a funny way of paying people back for evil deeds.

Syd Thrift · 08-23-2007, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hamed

Am I glad he's not, can you imagine the beating in the press the sport of boxing would take?

I've heard guys on sports radio say Vick is probably an isolated incident in the NFL (maybe?) but I'll bet they'd sing a different tune if a high profile boxer went to prison over charges like these.

IMO a far heavier indictment than the Vick incident itself (as brutal as this was, I don't see anything about it that makes it a travesty to football as a sport) was the blase reaction by people like Clinton Portis to it. It absolutely amazes me that there are people out there who don't think this is wrong, wrong, wrong. Dogfighting is on a whole 'nother level for me than getting caught with weed in your car or even drinking and driving. One level is a stupid mistake, another implies a long-standing course of action wherein it's impossible to say that you got caught up in the heat of the moment.

hamed · 08-23-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by a87star

The Gerald McClellan situation has always been touchy for people on this board. Like i've stated in the past, the man was extremely cruel to animals but he was one of the most talented and hardest punching MW's of the early to mid 90's. I just would never wish what happened to him against Nigel Benn on anyone but it's definitely karma for Gerald's dogfighting and running over flamingos for amusement. Life just has a funny way of paying people back for evil deeds.

a87, you're right about it being touchy. I'm glad Mike banned that clown on here who almost seemed to defend Gerald - he's probably in a fetal postion now crying wearing his #7 jersey dreading Vick pleading guilty on Monday.

Good point Syd, in addition to Portis, I heard Knicks PG Marbury say dog fighting is a sport & compared it to hunting.

mh2365 · 08-23-2007, 09:26 AM

I didn't ban anyone ... I think I remember who you are talking about. Just the fact that Vick had a cage of Golden Retriever puppies that were used as bait to get the dogs to fight tells me Vick hasn't gotten everything he deserves yet. I wish the absolute worst on him. I hope the state of Virginia goes after him now.

As far as wishing McClellan situation on someone ... I wouldn't, but I don't shed any tears for him. Maybe they should put him, Vick and Jayson Williams in a cell together and just give them one plate of food every couple of days.

I think the OP is right though, if Vick was a boxer they would be condemning the whole sport.

hamed · 08-23-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

I didn't ban anyone ... I think I remember who you are talking about. Just the fact that Vick had a cage of Golden Retriever puppies that were used as bait to get the dogs to fight tells me Vick hasn't gotten everything he deserves yet. I wish the absolute worst on him. I hope the state of Virginia goes after him now.

As far as wishing McClellan situation on someone ... I wouldn't, but I don't shed any tears for him. Maybe they should put him, Vick and Jayson Williams in a cell together and just give them one plate of food every couple of days.

I think the OP is right though, if Vick was a boxer they would be condemning the whole sport.

I thought you said he was banned for talking badly about people here on other sites & was banned as a result. Maybe I'm mistaken but either way I'm glad I haven't seen him here in a long time.

I agree with your points about both Vick & Gerald.

mh2365 · 08-23-2007, 10:29 AM

If you are talking about G-Force I'm not sure he ever defended dog-fighting in any of his racist, homophobic rants. I know someone did but I'm not 100% sure who so I don't want to say any names ...I'll look for the thread.

mh2365 · 08-23-2007, 10:37 AM

It's who I thought it was ericdamac ... I get along with him now but we had our moments. He doesn't come around too much anymore.

Gerald McClellan Fund

hamed · 08-23-2007, 12:52 PM

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If you are talking about G-Force I'm not sure he ever defended dog-fighting in any of his racist, homophobic rants. I know someone did but I'm not 100% sure who so I don't want to say any names ...I'll look for the thread.

Yeah, I think that's the guy - he had a pic of 2 kids as his avatar. I missed his racist & homophobic rants but do recall him saying that people who use dogs like that are no more likely to be violent people or serial killers. He said what I wrote was really a stretch.

I saw a PhD on TV discussing this Vick case & he said people who deal in dog fighting have little to no empathy for the pain & suffering of others & would be more likely to be a violent person or in extreme cases, a serial killer. So I'm glad my thoughts were in line with those of a PhD.

mh2365 · 08-23-2007, 01:18 PM

I thought you were right on the money but I got sidetracked by the idea that it's the Mexican National Sport.

I'm thinking that as a neighbor I'd rather not have a guy who was into killing small animals. We can let that guy live next to gforce and his two kids. This board is a better place without him here.

hamed · 08-23-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

I thought you were right on the money but I got sidetracked by the idea that it's the Mexican National Sport.

I'm thinking that as a neighbor I'd rather not have a guy who was into killing small animals. We can let that guy live next to gforce and his two kids. This board is a better place without him here.

LOL, amen brother!

Romdawg88 · 08-23-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hamed

Am I glad he's not, can you imagine the beating in the press the sport of boxing would take?

I've heard guys on sports radio say Vick is probably an isolated incident in the NFL (maybe?) but I'll bet they'd sing a different tune if a high profile boxer went to prison over charges like these.

It's all about the legitimacy and respect the sport has in the eyes of the mainstream. The NFL can have something like this happen and not take that big of a hit were the combat sports would get killed for it like you said. Hell, the UFC has taken somewhat of a beating form this whole Mick Vick saga and they weren't even involved. A number of writers have tired to make comparisons between dogfighting and MMA, I think a few even threw in boxing as well. What I'm interested in seeing is what the NFL is going to do with Vick when he gets out of jail will they let him play again or not.

mh2365 · 08-23-2007, 01:27 PM

My guess is he will get to play ... seems that it would be illegal not to let him if he has served his time. I could see someone picking him up as a kick returner or a third down back. I think his days at QB are over esp. since he was on his way out anyways.

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mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	I thought you were right on the money but I got sidetracked by the idea that it's the Mexican National Sport. I'm thinking that as a neighbor I'd rather not have a guy who was into killing small animals. We can let that guy live next to gforce and his two kids. This board is a better place without him here. Last edited by mh2365 : 08-23-2007 at 01:34 PM.

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08-22-2007, 03:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
hamed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Really? That's interesting! Here people seem to associate it with Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris so it's viewed mostly in a good sense - heroic in a way.

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a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,023	If Michael Vick was a fighter.........he would fit in with the Judah's quite well. A group of heartless and inhumane punks. Knowing how the media is, they would turn that into a freak show and get them on reality TV.

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mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	I didn't ban anyone ... I think I remember who you are talking about. Just the fact that Vick had a cage of Golden Retriever puppies that were used as bait to get the dogs to fight tells me Vick hasn't gotten everything he deserves yet. I wish the absolute worst on him. I hope the state of Virginia goes after him now. As far as wishing McClellan situation on someone ... I wouldn't, but I don't shed any tears for him. Maybe they should put him, Vick and Jayson Williams in a cell together and just give them one plate of food every couple of days. I think the OP is right though, if Vick was a boxer they would be condemning the whole sport.

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mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	If you are talking about G-Force I'm not sure he ever defended dog-fighting in any of his racist, homophobic rants. I know someone did but I'm not 100% sure who so I don't want to say any names ...I'll look for the thread.

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mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	It's who I thought it was ericdamac ... I get along with him now but we had our moments. He doesn't come around too much anymore. Gerald McClellan Fund

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mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	My guess is he will get to play ... seems that it would be illegal not to let him if he has served his time. I could see someone picking him up as a kick returner or a third down back. I think his days at QB are over esp. since he was on his way out anyways.