Weekend Fights (spoiler)

mh2365 · 11-18-2007, 12:58 PM

The HW's on Showtime Friday night were brutal. Joey Abell and Teke Oruh would have both lost to Arreola on the same night.

Andre Ward looked improved.

Last night .... Joan Guzman's performance was impressive. Way too fast for Soto. What about the 18lbs overnight though?

Abner Mares looks like the real thing. I'm not sure if he doesn't have the power or if the comparison of Marchiano to McCullough was legit. Either way I think Mares looks to have a bright future.

Thunder · 11-18-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

The HW's on Showtime Friday night were brutal. Joey Abell and Teke Oruh would have both lost to Arreola on the same night.

Andre Ward looked improved.

Last night .... Joan Guzman's performance was impressive. Way too fast for Soto. What about the 18lbs overnight though?

Abner Mares looks like the real thing. I'm not sure if he doesn't have the power or if the comparison of Marchiano to McCullough was legit. Either way I think Mares looks to have a bright future.

Agreed pretty much across the board. Ward is getting there; Mares is really polished.

I hadn't followed any of the Arreola news, and Comcast still had his name in the program description, so I was a little disappointed to learn he wasn't there. Maybe I would have stayed awake for the whole show if he was there.

18 lbs? Isn't there some rule about that?

meade95 · 11-18-2007, 01:34 PM

J. Guzman clearly has speed to burn.......But as I've said since he was at 122.....He's power is vastly overrated........The fight (Vs Soto) was also somewhat closer than the judges had it....

Surprising that Guzman could put on that much weight (18 pounds) over night and still keep his speed to that level......

a87star · 11-18-2007, 02:29 PM

Mares is going to be a huge star at BW. He's very polished for someone who is going to be turning twenty-two in a few weeks. Marchiano is a tough dude but he is nothing more than a glorified Argentinian clubfighter who happened to get a shot at a minor alphabet soup title.

Guzman reminds me a little bit of Mayweather with his fast hands and great defense. His power is definitely overrated but he's going to be a beast at 130. Guzman was just too fast and elusive for Soto last night and i'm not sure Pacquiao would be able to beat him.

Andre Ward looked like he has improved greatly since his last televised fight but Cantrell was just a quazi-prospect with......you guessed it....a padded record. Can't really read anything in those type of fights especially if the opponent isn't really putting up much resistance.

I don't want to see Abell or Oruh ever again. One time was enough for me.

IceTea · 11-18-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by a87star

Mares is going to be a huge star at BW. He's very polished for someone who is going to be turning twenty-two in a few weeks. Marchiano is a tough dude but he is nothing more than a glorified Argentinian clubfighter who happened to get a shot at a minor alphabet soup title.

Guzman reminds me a little bit of Mayweather with his fast hands and great defense. His power is definitely overrated but he's going to be a beast at 130. Guzman was just too fast and elusive for Soto last night and i'm not sure Pacquiao would be able to beat him.

Andre Ward looked like he has improved greatly since his last televised fight but Cantrell was just a quazi-prospect with......you guessed it....a padded record. Can't really read anything in those type of fights especially if the opponent isn't really putting up much resistance.

I don't want to see Abell or Oruh ever again. One time was enough for me.

I had Abell 7-3 but the few times he did get hit caused alot of damage to his face. When he steps up and faces someone with a heartbeat, he will lose on cuts or get KTFO since his defense isn't much. What defense he has is with his feet moving around. Oruh is a bum. I have to re-accomplish his TB3 rating. Arreola would have walked right through him.

Ward looked fine... but I'm not sure which weight class he can make a mark in. Mares is pretty good fighting with a broken nose for 10 rounds. Marchiano is one tough dude. He should probably retire now since it can't get any better for him.

mh2365 · 11-18-2007, 05:00 PM

Guzman hasn't really had any power since going to 130 .... I still had the fight 9 rounds to 3 though. Even when Soto had him trapped against the ropes he couldn't hit him.

a87star · 11-18-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by IceTea

I had Abell 7-3 but the few times he did get hit caused alot of damage to his face. When he steps up and faces someone with a heartbeat, he will lose on cuts or get KTFO since his defense isn't much. What defense he has is with his feet moving around. Oruh is a bum. I have to re-accomplish his TB3 rating. Arreola would have walked right through him.

Ward looked fine... but I'm not sure which weight class he can make a mark in. Mares is pretty good fighting with a broken nose for 10 rounds. Marchiano is one tough dude. He should probably retire now since it can't get any better for him.

Abell will probably pan out as a top midwest attraction and occasional trialhorse for the top HW fighters. Oruh will probably be out of the fight game within a year or two.

Ward should stay at SMW for the time being but his best chance to make a splash will probably be at LHW/CW.

Marchiano's fighting style will have him in retirement before thirty. The punishment he took against Mares was pretty brutal.

a87star · 11-18-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Guzman hasn't really had any power since going to 130 .... I still had the fight 9 rounds to 3 though. Even when Soto had him trapped against the ropes he couldn't hit him.

I had it eight rounds to four. Soto was getting Guzman against the ropes to try and attack the body but it wasn't effective enough to change the fight.

meade95 · 11-18-2007, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Guzman hasn't really had any power since going to 130 .... I still had the fight 9 rounds to 3 though. Even when Soto had him trapped against the ropes he couldn't hit him.

I had it Guzman 7-4-1....

mh2365 · 11-18-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by meade95

I had it Guzman 7-4-1....

I can see that too ... there were a few swing rounds

Ric915 · 11-18-2007, 08:49 PM

Considering how tough Marchiano was I wonder who it was that stoped him in 1 round

a87star · 11-18-2007, 10:02 PM

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Considering how tough Marchiano was I wonder who it was that stoped him in 1 round

Jose Luis Ferreira

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...4518&cat=boxer

Ric915 · 11-19-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by a87star

Jose Luis Ferreira

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...4518&cat=boxer

Doesn't seem like to great a boxer maybe he caught Marchiano on a bad night

11-18-2007, 12:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Weekend Fights (spoiler) The HW's on Showtime Friday night were brutal. Joey Abell and Teke Oruh would have both lost to Arreola on the same night. Andre Ward looked improved. Last night .... Joan Guzman's performance was impressive. Way too fast for Soto. What about the 18lbs overnight though? Abner Mares looks like the real thing. I'm not sure if he doesn't have the power or if the comparison of Marchiano to McCullough was legit. Either way I think Mares looks to have a bright future.

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11-18-2007, 01:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
meade95 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,795	J. Guzman clearly has speed to burn.......But as I've said since he was at 122.....He's power is vastly overrated........The fight (Vs Soto) was also somewhat closer than the judges had it.... Surprising that Guzman could put on that much weight (18 pounds) over night and still keep his speed to that level......

11-18-2007, 02:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,023	Mares is going to be a huge star at BW. He's very polished for someone who is going to be turning twenty-two in a few weeks. Marchiano is a tough dude but he is nothing more than a glorified Argentinian clubfighter who happened to get a shot at a minor alphabet soup title. Guzman reminds me a little bit of Mayweather with his fast hands and great defense. His power is definitely overrated but he's going to be a beast at 130. Guzman was just too fast and elusive for Soto last night and i'm not sure Pacquiao would be able to beat him. Andre Ward looked like he has improved greatly since his last televised fight but Cantrell was just a quazi-prospect with......you guessed it....a padded record. Can't really read anything in those type of fights especially if the opponent isn't really putting up much resistance. I don't want to see Abell or Oruh ever again. One time was enough for me.

11-18-2007, 05:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Guzman hasn't really had any power since going to 130 .... I still had the fight 9 rounds to 3 though. Even when Soto had him trapped against the ropes he couldn't hit him.

11-18-2007, 08:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ric915 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Prescott, Arizona Posts: 794	Considering how tough Marchiano was I wonder who it was that stoped him in 1 round