Cuts?

Mike A · 12-11-2007, 03:03 PM

Why am I getting so many cut stoppages? So many of my fighters that are rated "1" for resistance to cuts are being being tko'd by cuts. I just had Muhammad Ali stopped on cuts in two consecutive fights and I can't recall him ever being cut in a bout, what gives?

Cap · 12-11-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike A

Why am I getting so many cut stoppages? So many of my fighters that are rated "1" for resistance to cuts are being being tko'd by cuts. I just had Muhammad Ali stopped on cuts in two consecutive fights and I can't recall him ever being cut in a bout, what gives?

Are you using the generic cut men? If so, you may need to adjust their ability to stop cuts.

Cap

Mike A · 12-11-2007, 04:28 PM

I am using generic cut men but the program isn't allowing me to change the rating.

mh2365 · 12-11-2007, 05:17 PM

You can't change the ratings of the generic cut men. You can use other cut men though. Here's the thing I play this game every single day and it is rare that I see one cut stop a fight. Generally it is around the 3rd to 4th time the cut is reopened.

That is realistic. The cut routine was redone in TBCB2 and I'm not sure it needs to be reworked again. There are times where one cut stops the fight but IMO it is rare and there are fights in real life where one cut stops the fight.

Thunder · 12-11-2007, 06:24 PM

It's also possible something flukey happened to you. Sometimes people get a little angry when something unrealistic happens, but it could be that you fight Ali another 200 times and he never gets cut.

mh2365 · 12-11-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder

It's also possible something flukey happened to you. Sometimes people get a little angry when something unrealistic happens, but it could be that you fight Ali another 200 times and he never gets cut.

True

Mike A · 12-11-2007, 09:43 PM

Thanks guys for your input. However I still think I'm either missing something or perhaps am playing using the wrong settings. I just finished a fight between Oscar Bonavena and Joe Frazier and wouldn't you know Frazier gets cut in the 5th round and the fight is stopped soon thereafter. I find that hard to fathom being that Frazier is rated a "1" against cuts and I know that he was never stopped by a cut. What settings do you guys use to get the most realistic results.

a87star · 12-11-2007, 09:51 PM

I would try using the real life cut men instead of the generic ones. That will definitely make a difference.

mh2365 · 12-11-2007, 10:12 PM

I think maybe you are having the worst luck with the game in the world ... no one really has those type of results ... look at the bout log .. how many times was the cut reopened? One punch cuts and stopped fights are rare. They used to happen all the time then they changed the cut routine and it is very rare now.

Thunder · 12-12-2007, 12:47 AM

Referee could be a factor . . they are rated for stoppage tendencies and can be Early or Late. I know this plays into punishment TKO's, have seen plenty of evidence to support that, am not sure about cuts, but it's worth considering.

Lee · 12-12-2007, 01:23 AM

It can just go in spurts sometimes too, I have easily gone 40-50 fights without a cut stoppage before. Then I had 3 stoppages due to cuts on the same card tonight. I blame the Reyes gloves

Cap · 12-13-2007, 09:12 AM

I recall now that I've only assigned the generic cutmen to the lesser lights of my boxing universe. Name guys get "real" trainer/cutmen and I've increased the ability to stop cuts for most of them. I was really PO'd when Joe Louis lost on a first round cut to some wino. So I've gone around and "adjusted" a number of fighters' corners. And if they know whats good for them, they'll stay adjusted.

Cap

Mad Bomber · 12-13-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike A

Why am I getting so many cut stoppages? So many of my fighters that are rated "1" for resistance to cuts are being being tko'd by cuts. I just had Muhammad Ali stopped on cuts in two consecutive fights and I can't recall him ever being cut in a bout, what gives?

Mike, if you are don't know who some of the cornermen are for some of the
top fighters I made posts on boxrec boxing encyclopedia in the trainers
section, and that may be of some help. Also some of those postings have
now been included in the World Boxing Hall of Fame website.

Greg

Cap · 12-13-2007, 11:16 AM

Hey, Greg. Good boy you! Nice honour.

Cap

Mad Bomber · 12-13-2007, 11:22 AM

Thanks Cap. I was surprised when I saw it myself.

Greg

Mad Bomber · 12-14-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike A

Why am I getting so many cut stoppages? So many of my fighters that are rated "1" for resistance to cuts are being being tko'd by cuts. I just had Muhammad Ali stopped on cuts in two consecutive fights and I can't recall him ever being cut in a bout, what gives?

Oh Mike, by the way Ali suffered his first cut in his fight with Bob Foster.

Greg

12-11-2007, 03:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mike A Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7	Cuts? Why am I getting so many cut stoppages? So many of my fighters that are rated "1" for resistance to cuts are being being tko'd by cuts. I just had Muhammad Ali stopped on cuts in two consecutive fights and I can't recall him ever being cut in a bout, what gives?

12-11-2007, 04:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mike A Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7	cuts I am using generic cut men but the program isn't allowing me to change the rating.

12-11-2007, 06:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
Thunder Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,180	It's also possible something flukey happened to you. Sometimes people get a little angry when something unrealistic happens, but it could be that you fight Ali another 200 times and he never gets cut. __________________ A government of the people, by the people, and for the people has not perished from the Earth. ~ A person I won't name said this, but he proved the U.S. electorate is sick of baseless partisan attacks (but for reasons unknown, the only ones that don't seem to have gotten the message are the ones who lost out because of said attacks).

12-12-2007, 12:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
Thunder Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,180	Referee could be a factor . . they are rated for stoppage tendencies and can be Early or Late. I know this plays into punishment TKO's, have seen plenty of evidence to support that, am not sure about cuts, but it's worth considering. __________________ A government of the people, by the people, and for the people has not perished from the Earth. ~ A person I won't name said this, but he proved the U.S. electorate is sick of baseless partisan attacks (but for reasons unknown, the only ones that don't seem to have gotten the message are the ones who lost out because of said attacks).

12-12-2007, 01:23 AM	#11 (permalink)
Lee Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix Az Posts: 1,853	It can just go in spurts sometimes too, I have easily gone 40-50 fights without a cut stoppage before. Then I had 3 stoppages due to cuts on the same card tonight. I blame the Reyes gloves __________________ Chilton Roughnecks My UTBA Franchise Last edited by Lee : 12-12-2007 at 01:33 AM.

12-11-2007, 05:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	You can't change the ratings of the generic cut men. You can use other cut men though. Here's the thing I play this game every single day and it is rare that I see one cut stop a fight. Generally it is around the 3rd to 4th time the cut is reopened. That is realistic. The cut routine was redone in TBCB2 and I'm not sure it needs to be reworked again. There are times where one cut stops the fight but IMO it is rare and there are fights in real life where one cut stops the fight.

12-11-2007, 09:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
Mike A Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7	Thanks guys for your input. However I still think I'm either missing something or perhaps am playing using the wrong settings. I just finished a fight between Oscar Bonavena and Joe Frazier and wouldn't you know Frazier gets cut in the 5th round and the fight is stopped soon thereafter. I find that hard to fathom being that Frazier is rated a "1" against cuts and I know that he was never stopped by a cut. What settings do you guys use to get the most realistic results.

12-11-2007, 09:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,023	I would try using the real life cut men instead of the generic ones. That will definitely make a difference.

12-11-2007, 10:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	I think maybe you are having the worst luck with the game in the world ... no one really has those type of results ... look at the bout log .. how many times was the cut reopened? One punch cuts and stopped fights are rare. They used to happen all the time then they changed the cut routine and it is very rare now.

12-13-2007, 09:12 AM	#12 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	I recall now that I've only assigned the generic cutmen to the lesser lights of my boxing universe. Name guys get "real" trainer/cutmen and I've increased the ability to stop cuts for most of them. I was really PO'd when Joe Louis lost on a first round cut to some wino. So I've gone around and "adjusted" a number of fighters' corners. And if they know whats good for them, they'll stay adjusted. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

12-13-2007, 11:16 AM	#14 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	Hey, Greg. Good boy you! Nice honour. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

12-13-2007, 11:22 AM	#15 (permalink)
Mad Bomber All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,115	Thanks Cap. I was surprised when I saw it myself. Greg __________________ Keep on Punchin' There are three things that go on a fighter, first your reflexes go, then your chin goes, and then your friends go. Willie Pep

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