Pound for Pound Rubbish

[Cap]

OK. The Maywethers, Hattons, Cottos, etc etc etc are nice time fillers, but enough of this pound for pound stuff. Any true fan of boxing knows that only one title means anything. The heavyweight championship of the world! The toughest guy on the frikkin planet! Any first class heavyweight would flatten all these wee folk even if they came at him together in a rush. Every one of these tiny tots cards would pale to insignificance if you got two dangerous heavyweights together.


So, enough with the prelims! I'm looking for some action from the dreadnoughts in the coming year! If Klitschko can't do it (and I don't see why he can't) then bring on some new blood to shake up the world! I'm looking for Wlad to meet Ruslan Chagaev some time in 2008, and I hope I can see it on TV.

(I wrote my letter to Santa and asked him for Title Bout 2.5 and a buxom blonde named Candy. My luck, I'll just get the babe.)

Cap

[Bam Bam]

Originally Posted by Cap

OK. The Maywethers, Hattons, Cottos, etc etc etc are nice time fillers, but enough of this pound for pound stuff. Any true fan of boxing knows that only one title means anything. The heavyweight championship of the world! The toughest guy on the frikkin planet! Any first class heavyweight would flatten all these wee folk even if they came at him together in a rush. Every one of these tiny tots cards would pale to insignificance if you got two dangerous heavyweights together.


So, enough with the prelims! I'm looking for some action from the dreadnoughts in the coming year! If Klitschko can't do it (and I don't see why he can't) then bring on some new blood to shake up the world! I'm looking for Wlad to meet Ruslan Chagaev some time in 2008, and I hope I can see it on TV.

(I wrote my letter to Santa and asked him for Title Bout 2.5 and a buxom blonde named Candy. My luck, I'll just get the babe.)

Cap

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting on those heavy weights to wow you. After 20 years have passed this last few years of Welter and Middle weight fighting will be considered hay-day IMO.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Cap

(I wrote my letter to Santa and asked him for Title Bout 2.5 and a buxom blonde named Candy. My luck, I'll just get the babe.)

Cap

I used to always order the hot blonde from the Eaton's catalgue, but they would always screw up and only send me her underwear.

[Tommysixfingers]

Originally Posted by Cap

OK. The Maywethers, Hattons, Cottos, etc etc etc are nice time fillers, but enough of this pound for pound stuff. Any true fan of boxing knows that only one title means anything. The heavyweight championship of the world! The toughest guy on the frikkin planet! Any first class heavyweight would flatten all these wee folk even if they came at him together in a rush. Every one of these tiny tots cards would pale to insignificance if you got two dangerous heavyweights together.


So, enough with the prelims! I'm looking for some action from the dreadnoughts in the coming year! If Klitschko can't do it (and I don't see why he can't) then bring on some new blood to shake up the world! I'm looking for Wlad to meet Ruslan Chagaev some time in 2008, and I hope I can see it on TV.

(I wrote my letter to Santa and asked him for Title Bout 2.5 and a buxom blonde named Candy. My luck, I'll just get the babe.)

Cap

Yeah, who wants to see a good, technical MW bout when you can see two tired whales hugging it out for 10 rounds?

[hamed]

Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

Yeah, who wants to see a good, technical MW bout when you can see two tired whales hugging it out for 10 rounds?

Good one Tommy! Right, I almost fell asleep during the Taylor/Pavlik bout.

[a87star]

Originally Posted by hamed

Good one Tommy! Right, I almost fell asleep during the Taylor/Pavlik bout.

Come to think about it, Cotto/Mosley bored the MSG crowd to tears. Even the 360,000 people who bought the PPV were looking for their money back

[Cap]

I'm not talking about Chambers and Brock. I mean good heavyweights. It's only a matter of matching these guys up. Offer them enough cash and they'll fight. Imagine how much money they would generate if Cotto, Mosley, Pavlik and whatshisname were heavies? The unwashed masses salivate when two dangerous heavyweights step through the ropes. If the Yanks ever produce a world-class dreadnought, you'll see the PPV numbers go through the roof and everyone on this forum will be talking about him. The little pooftas are fun to watch, but its the big guys that set the tongues wagging in boxing forums and hearts pounding come fight night!

In the meantime it all happens in Title Bout.

Cap

[Mr Big]

Originally Posted by Cap

OK. The Maywethers, Hattons, Cottos, etc etc etc are nice time fillers, but enough of this pound for pound stuff. Any true fan of boxing knows that only one title means anything. The heavyweight championship of the world! The toughest guy on the frikkin planet! Any first class heavyweight would flatten all these wee folk even if they came at him together in a rush. Every one of these tiny tots cards would pale to insignificance if you got two dangerous heavyweights together
Cap

Thank you! Finally, someone who understands! Tired of hearing all the PFP talk. Does nothing but inflate the egos of little people like Floyd Mayweather. Easy to look good beating up other wee little men. Nothing wrong with being confident, but can't stand all that cockiness from someone who wouldn't last a round against the "real" world champion; THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION!

[a87star]

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[Tommysixfingers]

Originally Posted by Mr Big

Thank you! Finally, someone who understands! Tired of hearing all the PFP talk. Does nothing but inflate the egos of little people like Floyd Mayweather. Easy to look good beating up other wee little men. Nothing wrong with being confident, but can't stand all that cockiness from someone who wouldn't last a round against the "real" world champion; THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION!

I don't follow the logic to be honest. You wrote "Easy to look good beating up other wee little men". Isn't it about as "easy" for a WW to "look good" against another WW as it is for a HW to "look good" against another HW.

Has anyone ever suggested that Mayweather (to use your example) would beat a HW? Has he ever suggested it himself?

IMO PfP "rankings" is nothing more than speculations about what boxer would be the best if all boxers were of the same size. Nothing else. It does not suggest that a LW would beat a HW.

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

I don't follow the logic to be honest. You wrote "Easy to look good beating up other wee little men". Isn't it about as "easy" for a WW to "look good" against another WW as it is for a HW to "look good" against another HW.

Has anyone ever suggested that Mayweather (to use your example) would beat a HW? Has he ever suggested it himself?

IMO PfP "rankings" is nothing more than speculations about what boxer would be the best if all boxers were of the same size. Nothing else. It does not suggest that a LW would beat a HW.

Don't try and use logic on him.

[Cap]

Yes, but not all boxers are the same size. Shannon Briggs, for all his flaws, would kayo Cotto, Mosley, PB Floyd, Kelly Pavlik, and Hatton all in the same ring at the same time. Not that they're bums. They are excellent wee folk. The best wee lads out there. But the best prize fighter on the planet is the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION of the WORLD. No matter who he is. Pound for pound was an artificial creation of some bored sportswriter to put Sugar Ray Robinson above the hated Muhammad Ali.

PBF, who is this fictional world's best, should step up like Joe Walcott and Sam Langford did in the old days and try it on with Taylor, Hopkins or Dawson.

Cap

[mh2365]

First off let's not get carried away ... Shannon Briggs throws 3 very very slow punches a round ... I think everyone you mentioned up there could handle Shannon Briggs. If a 6'2" slow, not very talented Sultan Ibragimov stayed away and dominated him for 12 rounds I doubt he would ever land a punch solid enough to hurt Mosley or Floyd. After two rounds of chasing Floyd or Mosley, Brigg's wouldn't be able to breathe anymore and the fight would be over quickly.

Cotto, Pavlik and Hatton are all hitable so maybe.

My money would be on even a 160 Pavlik handling Briggs.

Now you put them in with Wlad that is a different story.

[Tommysixfingers]

I think we are discussing different things here.

I agree that the PfP discussion is somewhat of a "pseudo-real" discussion. Again, I have always looked at PfP as a way to try to compare fighters of different size to eachother. Hence the name. It does not suggest that a LW could beat a HW. It does suggest that the same LW could beat the same HW if they were of the same size. I have no idea when PfP first was discussed but I'll take Cap's word for it as he was in his late 40's when Ray Robinson was compared with Ali for the first time.

The discussion about a HW beating a WW, a WW beating a HW, Superman beating Batman and my dad beating your dad is an interely different one imo and has nothing to do with the PfP discussion.

And to conclude this and force my opinion on everyone I would rather see a decent fight between lighter boxers than most HW matchups you can put together today because the boxing and the boxers is/are so much better in the lighter divisions than the HW's.

[Mr Big]

I completely understand the premise behind the PFP ratings, and, no, they don't suggest that a little fighter could beat a big fighter, except if you could magically transform them to the same size, so that skill alone would determine the outcome... blah, blah, blah... I've been a fan and student of the game since Ali's second reign as heavyweight champ, have the typically immense collection of boxing videos and magazines, dated a world champion womens' boxer, been around gyms, been around fighters, sat ringside at world title fights, earned a blackbelt in martial arts, etc. etc. Not a novice observer of the sport.

Still, at the end of the day, the PFP thing is purely speculation. Kind of like saying that my 5 lb. chihuahua could beat up your 200 lb. mastiff if they were the same size. Who cares? They're not!

I also recognize the fact that there are many talented fighters south of the heavyweight division, and, as long as they fight guys their own size, they will excell in their chosen profession. However, when guys like PBF go running their mouths about how bad they are, it's kind of like the aforementioned chihuahua nipping at your ankles. Just annoying, because, in all reality, one swift kick by someone bigger than a seventh grader would send them into the next zip code.

I've always enjoyed a competitive fight amongst the little men, but their "badness" should be kept in perspective. Guys like PBF shoud check the attitude at the door, and learn a lesson in humility from the real world champion, heavyweight king Wladimir Klitschko; who is the real "baddest man on the planet." Something to be said for being talented AND humble. Has a way of putting things in perspective.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

I think we are discussing different things here.

I agree that the PfP discussion is somewhat of a "pseudo-real" discussion. Again, I have always looked at PfP as a way to try to compare fighters of different size to eachother. Hence the name. It does not suggest that a LW could beat a HW. It does suggest that the same LW could beat the same HW if they were of the same size. I have no idea when PfP first was discussed but I'll take Cap's word for it as he was in his late 40's when Ray Robinson was compared with Ali for the first time.

The discussion about a HW beating a WW, a WW beating a HW, Superman beating Batman and my dad beating your dad is an interely different one imo and has nothing to do with the PfP discussion.

And to conclude this and force my opinion on everyone I would rather see a decent fight between lighter boxers than most HW matchups you can put together today because the boxing and the boxers is/are so much better in the lighter divisions than the HW's.

Maybe Superman could take him . . but Ali could take Superman.
It was an actual comic book in 1978 . . too bad mine has basement mildew all over it, one sold on Ebay for $182 about a week ago (of course, another sold for $24, but that's Ebay)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Superman-vs-Muha...QQcmdZViewItem

[Tommysixfingers]

Originally Posted by Mr Big

I completely understand the premise behind the PFP ratings, and, no, they don't suggest that a little fighter could beat a big fighter, except if you could magically transform them to the same size, so that skill alone would determine the outcome... blah, blah, blah... I've been a fan and student of the game since Ali's second reign as heavyweight champ, have the typically immense collection of boxing videos and magazines, dated a world champion womens' boxer, been around gyms, been around fighters, sat ringside at world title fights, earned a blackbelt in martial arts, etc. etc. Not a novice observer of the sport.

Still, at the end of the day, the PFP thing is purely speculation. Kind of like saying that my 5 lb. chihuahua could beat up your 200 lb. mastiff if they were the same size. Who cares? They're not!

I also recognize the fact that there are many talented fighters south of the heavyweight division, and, as long as they fight guys their own size, they will excell in their chosen profession. However, when guys like PBF go running their mouths about how bad they are, it's kind of like the aforementioned chihuahua nipping at your ankles. Just annoying, because, in all reality, one swift kick by someone bigger than a seventh grader would send them into the next zip code.

I've always enjoyed a competitive fight amongst the little men, but their "badness" should be kept in perspective. Guys like PBF shoud check the attitude at the door, and learn a lesson in humility from the real world champion, heavyweight king Wladimir Klitschko; who is the real "baddest man on the planet." Something to be said for being talented AND humble. Has a way of putting things in perspective.

I never said you were a novice. Haven't even thought it (not that I know what part the black belt in Shotokan plays though).

I don't know much about Mayweather and his attitude but I've never read that he is the selfproclaimed "baddest man on the planet". I've picked up that you din't like him very much though.

[Tommysixfingers]

Originally Posted by Thunder

Maybe Superman could take him . . but Ali could take Superman.
It was an actual comic book in 1978 . . too bad mine has basement mildew all over it, one sold on Ebay for $182 about a week ago (of course, another sold for $24, but that's Ebay)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Superman-vs-Muha...QQcmdZViewItem

Well, Bruce Lee could take Ali and I know for a fact that my dad could kick Bruce Lee's a** if he was 60 lbs lighter and Lee was still alive

[Lee]

Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

Well, Bruce Lee could take Ali and I know for a fact that my dad could kick Bruce Lee's a** if he was 60 lbs lighter and Lee was still alive

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[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by Lee

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With a piece of tinfoil and two Q-tips, MacGyver could take anyone mentioned in this thread including Tommy's dad.