Hardest punchers in HW history

IceTea · 01-03-2008, 02:41 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=3168817

mh2365 · 01-03-2008, 03:39 PM

Lennox Lewis?

Thunder · 01-03-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Lennox Lewis?

He was the last undisputed heavyweight champion before the sport of boxing totally cannibalized itself in 2015

wildhawke11 · 01-03-2008, 05:55 PM

Forman
Shavers
Tyson
Lewis
Marciano
Tua
Baer
Liston
Louis
Dempsey

This is my hardest punching fighters list
But if it was affective and accuracy combined with punch power.
Louis and Dempsey would be a lot higher up my list.

Bam Bam · 01-03-2008, 06:29 PM

gotta put Frazier and Jack Johnson in there

and Ivan Drago duh

mh2365 · 01-03-2008, 07:09 PM

I still don't see how Lennox Lewis makes a top ten hardest punchers list. If he is on it then you have to put Klitschko on it.

Cap · 01-03-2008, 07:28 PM

Notice how the oldest fighter on the list is Dempsey? Jeffries, Sharkey, Maher, Fitzsimmons, Langford, McVea, Smith, etc are all forgotten. Dempsey will be joining them soon, then Louis and Baer.

Cap

Lee · 01-03-2008, 09:30 PM

Here is my 10

Shavers
Tyson
Marciano
Liston
Foreman
Louis
Frazier
Jeffries
Dempsey
Cooney

Honorable Mentions
Baer, Galento, Sharkey, Tua, Klischko, Langford

Thunder · 01-03-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bam Bam

and Ivan Drago duh

duh . . .

and don't forget The Gorilla
(obscure board game/All-Star Replay reference)

Bam Bam · 01-04-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

I still don't see how Lennox Lewis makes a top ten hardest punchers list. If he is on it then you have to put Klitschko on it.

Disagree. While they may both punch equally hard Lennox did his work against much better opponents. Who has Vlad KO'd that was of importance? Maybe if Vlad had a resume.....

Thunder · 01-04-2008, 01:04 AM

Wow, Franco DePiccoli didn't make the list? The Db team is evidently endorsing his HP:13, a number matched/exceeded by only Foreman and Marciano.

mh2365 · 01-04-2008, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bam Bam

Disagree. While they may both punch equally hard Lennox did his work against much better opponents. Who has Vlad KO'd that was of importance? Maybe if Vlad had a resume.....

Yeah not getting drawn into this again.

IceTea · 01-04-2008, 04:53 AM

Punching power is difficult to measure. Mike Tyson had explosive power: speed, power, and timing whereas Wlad has thudding power without explosion. Bonecrusher Smith is another example of someone who had a thudding punch. If you played chicken with both, Wlad's punch would be harder but you wouldn't see Tyson's second or third punching coming or you wouldn't have the time to react to the first one resulting in an impressive looking KO.

Max Bear also had thudding power. Jack Dempsey's power was closer related to Tyson. I think you have to rate the total quality of the punch instead of just how hard you think it is.

MJ

rdklein · 01-04-2008, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wildhawke11

Forman
Shavers
Tyson
Lewis
Marciano
Tua
Baer
Liston
Louis
Dempsey

This is my hardest punching fighters list
But if it was affective and accuracy combined with punch power.
Louis and Dempsey would be a lot higher up my list.

I agree with #1... when Foreman was pounding the heavy bag in "When We Were Kings", my jaw dropped. I've never seen anything like that.

Cap · 01-04-2008, 08:44 AM

The true power punchers are not the guys that break opponents down like Marciano. They are guys who pop a guy with one punch and lay him out cold when seconds before he looked perfectly okay, maybe even winning the round. Foreman was one of those guys. Dempsey another. And Jeffries.

Cap

rickert · 01-04-2008, 11:04 AM

I don't know that I would want to rank the entire group. But Shavers would be at the top of my list. I believe Marciano belongs. I thought that was the main way he kept his record spotless.

CONN CHRIS · 01-04-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rickert

I don't know that I would want to rank the entire group. But Shavers would be at the top of my list. I believe Marciano belongs. I thought that was the main way he kept his record spotless.

Fondly remembering the good old days when ABC's Wide World of Sports actually had a Shavers fight on a Saturday afternoon.

The past may be gone for good but it's nice to recall every now and then.

rickert · 01-04-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Cap

The true power punchers are not the guys that break opponents down like Marciano. They are guys who pop a guy with one punch and lay him out cold when seconds before he looked perfectly okay, maybe even winning the round. Foreman was one of those guys. Dempsey another. And Jeffries.

Cap

I would agree here if the category were more narrowly defined as one-punch knockout power. But I think power can also be measured toward guys who could virtually end any fight with one swing even if they didn't actually end it with that punch. I still think Marciano was one of those guys.

Thunder · 01-04-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Fondly remembering the good old days when ABC's Wide World of Sports actually had a Shavers fight on a Saturday afternoon.

The past may be gone for good but it's nice to recall every now and then.

One of the networks tried again . . maybe two summers ago? Something like three Sat. afternoon cards in 3-5 weeks? Calvin Brock I think was on one of them . . guess it didn't go well

BigFiasco · 01-04-2008, 09:28 PM

Both Ali and Larry Holmes have been quoted as saying Shavers hit them the hardest. And those 2 got hit by some pretty mean opponents especially the Greatest.

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Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	Notice how the oldest fighter on the list is Dempsey? Jeffries, Sharkey, Maher, Fitzsimmons, Langford, McVea, Smith, etc are all forgotten. Dempsey will be joining them soon, then Louis and Baer. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

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Lee Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix Az Posts: 1,853	Here is my 10 Shavers Tyson Marciano Liston Foreman Louis Frazier Jeffries Dempsey Cooney Honorable Mentions Baer, Galento, Sharkey, Tua, Klischko, Langford __________________ Chilton Roughnecks My UTBA Franchise

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Thunder Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,180	Wow, Franco DePiccoli didn't make the list? The Db team is evidently endorsing his HP:13, a number matched/exceeded by only Foreman and Marciano. __________________ A government of the people, by the people, and for the people has not perished from the Earth. ~ A person I won't name said this, but he proved the U.S. electorate is sick of baseless partisan attacks (but for reasons unknown, the only ones that don't seem to have gotten the message are the ones who lost out because of said attacks).

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mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Lennox Lewis?

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wildhawke11 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: united kingdom Posts: 1,834	Forman Shavers Tyson Lewis Marciano Tua Baer Liston Louis Dempsey This is my hardest punching fighters list But if it was affective and accuracy combined with punch power. Louis and Dempsey would be a lot higher up my list.

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mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	I still don't see how Lennox Lewis makes a top ten hardest punchers list. If he is on it then you have to put Klitschko on it.

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IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Utica, NY Posts: 6,913	Punching power is difficult to measure. Mike Tyson had explosive power: speed, power, and timing whereas Wlad has thudding power without explosion. Bonecrusher Smith is another example of someone who had a thudding punch. If you played chicken with both, Wlad's punch would be harder but you wouldn't see Tyson's second or third punching coming or you wouldn't have the time to react to the first one resulting in an impressive looking KO. Max Bear also had thudding power. Jack Dempsey's power was closer related to Tyson. I think you have to rate the total quality of the punch instead of just how hard you think it is. MJ __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone IFBA Philadelphia Boxing Understanding Title Bout Boxing Ratings Fighterlist Boxrec Ross Boxing Philly Boxing History

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Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	The true power punchers are not the guys that break opponents down like Marciano. They are guys who pop a guy with one punch and lay him out cold when seconds before he looked perfectly okay, maybe even winning the round. Foreman was one of those guys. Dempsey another. And Jeffries. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

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rickert Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 127	I don't know that I would want to rank the entire group. But Shavers would be at the top of my list. I believe Marciano belongs. I thought that was the main way he kept his record spotless.

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BigFiasco Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 79	Both Ali and Larry Holmes have been quoted as saying Shavers hit them the hardest. And those 2 got hit by some pretty mean opponents especially the Greatest.

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