Identic bouts-completely different outcomes

[Stan-Aka-Knifer]

Hello people,

Nice to meet all of you here.

I started playing Title Bout Championship Boxing 2 several months ago and still cannot understand one thing.

Why completely identic bouts give completely different outcomes?

For example,let's take two bouts:Vitali Klitschko Vs. Mike Tyson.

Vitali Klitschko's corner:Trainer Lou Duva
Cutman Johny Tocco

Mike Tyson's corner:Trainer Cus D'Amato
Cutman Kelly Spider

Venue:Luxor

Both fighters are in top condition.

Vitali Klitschko is trained with emphasis on his power,endurance is emphasized for Mike Tyson.

Mike Tyson is hometown favorite.

They fight for title in all categories during those bouts.

I choose the strategy for Vitali Klitschko-go all out for KO in every round.Computer chooses strategies for Mike Tyson.

Outcomes are completely different.In first bout,Mike Tyson catches the moment in Round 3,earns 26 points in a hurricane of puches,and wins by TKO.In second bout,Vitali Klitschko is beating him severly for all 15 rounds,opens swelling under both Tyson's eyes,drops him four times to knockdown (3 knockdown rule is off),and manages to win by point difference.

I am really confused with these results.What is this difference caused by?Do you have any ideas?

Regards,
Stan.

[Thunder]

Short answer: It's the nature of the system and random numbers.

[Thunder]

Long answer

Systematic: The game uses a quick sequence of actions (determing who throws a punch, if it lands, then the result if it does) to represent a larger series of actions.

Randomness: If Tyson lands a punch say 38 percent of the time according to the game, (I'm totally making up these numbers), in one series of sequences, the computer may check this with random numbers of 1, 11, 17, 22 and 77 . . four landed punches out of five, while another time it might be 21, 47, 56, 62 and 77, four misses.

That's the nature of most sports sims. If you match up the same baseball teams for 20 games, you might get 20 different scores, same for football, hockey, curling, whatever.

[Tommysixfingers]

What fun would it be if you could only get one possible result out of a matchup?

If you sim the fight 1000 times you would probably see some sort of "trend" in the results while 2 matches probably won't.

Nice to meet you to btw.

Edit: I just auto-simmed 2000 bout between a prime Tyson and a prime Wlad (both with generic cornermen). Tyson won 1690 of the fights with 1519 on ko. Wlad won 279 with 190 ko's. 31 draws. If you judge by those numbers, Tyson will beat Wlad about 85% of the time but Wlad would pull of the ocassional upset.

[Cap]

Don't have my reading glasses, Tommysixfingers, but your wife is really hot. She a former Swedish beauty queen?

Prime Tyson Vs, Prime Klitschko. Does the expression anything can happen, ring a bell? In real life if fighter A knocks out fighter B, the odds are heavily in favour of the same thing happening if they meet again. Nowadays, fighters don't face each other five or six times, usually just once or twice. In just one fight, if neither guy had seen the other before, I would call this fight a pick-em, as both have the power to kayo the other.

Cap

[Tommysixfingers]

Originally Posted by Cap

Don't have my reading glasses, Tommysixfingers, but your wife is really hot. She a former Swedish beauty queen? Cap

Yeah, but no, but yeah, but...Yeah, she is.

[Cap]

Just found my glasses. You must have a big heart, Tommy.

Hey, Stan! Welcome to this little community. I'll throw another scuttle of coal in the stove and put a kettle on for tay!

Cap

[Stan-Aka-Knifer]

Thanks everybody for your answers.I really love professional boxing (although I have never done any boxing in reality) and Title Bout Championship Boxing 2 and Boxsport Manager are the only computer games I play.

I like it when you have to think evertyhing over working in fighter's corner.Gradually,I am coming to conclusion,that there will be lots of different results in identic bouts due to the large variety of reasons.

[hamed]

Originally Posted by Cap

Prime Tyson Vs, Prime Klitschko. Does the expression anything can happen, ring a bell? In real life if fighter A knocks out fighter B, the odds are heavily in favour of the same thing happening if they meet again. Nowadays, fighters don't face each other five or six times, usually just once or twice. In just one fight, if neither guy had seen the other before, I would call this fight a pick-em, as both have the power to kayo the other.

Cap

Great points, I think a lot of top level athletes or teams, one play or punch can help determine the outcome. With some fighters it's almost like the cobra vs. the mongoose, who strikes 1st wins. In a sense, it's luck combined with their skill. For just a fraction of a second, a fighter drops their hands & loses concentration. If their equally skilled opponent notices it & is in position to land the punch, the fight can turn on that one key moment.