Ring Strategy - Computer controlled - Is Jacked -

[aaaaaaaaa]

Originally Posted by mh2365

I still think the best fix with the current system we have would be for the fighter to not be able to use a strategy more than his rating ... so if his fight outside rating is 2 and he has already fought outside twice in the fight then he can't any more. If the corner suggests it then he fights normal.

I surdenly don't think so.. How is that realistic? Some fighters fight outside all fight, and some go for KO all along..

[mh2365]

Note I said current system ... didn't say the best fix overall. Also if a fighter fights outside all fight long then that would be reflected in his ratings and would be his normal strategy. If he has a 1 for fight inside then that would be the max he'd be able to do that in the fight, no matter what the cornerman says.

[meade95]

Originally Posted by aaaaaaaaa

I surdenly don't think so.. How is that realistic? Some fighters fight outside all fight, and some go for KO all along..

First off no one goes for KO an entire fight round after round - Secondly, if that were the case...Well then you could give them Go for KO (12) times - Simply allow for the number of times a given strategy can be used to be 12 -

Or give them the maxium number (4) and then Zero's (0) for all the rest - In which they would be resorted to "fight normal"...and thus rated off their stats....they would fight as expected (rated).

The best option is to create system in which you can dictate which styles of fighting each fighter will follow-through with......That being, allow the customer to rate (via a number) how many times a given fighter will fight a given type of way...

"fight normal" should be used much more often than currently is - Much more - And "take a round off" should be used far, far, less.....

The best option is to allow fighters to be rated a given number of times for each style - And if they are rated a "0" for a given style.....They will NOT fight in that mode -

[Lee]

I do agree that fight normal should be used much more than it is currently and I think the fight outside defensively is probably the most overused.

[meade95]

Originally Posted by Lee

I do agree that fight normal should be used much more than it is currently and I think the fight outside defensively is probably the most overused.

Without question - Along with "take a round off" (used way to much). Additionally there is no ryme or reason to when these are given and regardless of the style of fighter - Which is why "fight normal" should be used much more often -

And again, the quick fix to this (outside of the "cover-up" patch for the "use no strategy" option).....is to simply only allow fighters to fight styles for which they are RATED for.

If a fighter has a "zero" in the category of "fight outside"....then if he is given this strategy he will simply not follow it and resort to "fight normal".......If he has a "1" in this category...then he would simply only be able to follow the advice of "fight outside"....once during a fight.....

I'm sure Andreas is understandting the problem here...and it will be addressed. This I don't question. TBCB is (and has been) always supported by those in charge....It is a fan/customer driven game....

With that said.....Reality is TBCB 2.5 "as is".....is flawed to the point where using it in a UNI is impossible (for me). With how the engine works.....the AI strategy has such an impact that the results are just too suspect.......

[rharrison]

[quote=meade95;2436225]First off no one goes for KO an entire fight round after round - Secondly, if that were the case...Well then you could give them Go for KO (12) times - Simply allow for the number of times a given strategy can be used to be 12 -



Did you ever watch Aaron Pryor fight?

[Cap]

From the sound of things, Andreas is on his own as far as programming TB is concerned. Right now I think most of his spare time is taken up with the flagship money-maker OOTP, so I don't think we'll see any further patches/fixes until that job is done. If you have problems with Title Bout 2.5, just put it on the shelf until we hear from Andreas again.

Cap

[meade95]

Originally Posted by Cap

From the sound of things, Andreas is on his own as far as programming TB is concerned. Right now I think most of his spare time is taken up with the flagship money-maker OOTP, so I don't think we'll see any further patches/fixes until that job is done. If you have problems with Title Bout 2.5, just put it on the shelf until we hear from Andreas again.

Cap

Sound advice -

That path I am following - With the AI/Strategy just being so ad-hoc and virtually over-shadowing any and all results.... I can't use it within my UNI - Therefore basically just updating divisions and tweaking fighters here and there....until a patch is put out....

Now for simming "one" given fight....where I want to sit and be corner for both men.....TBCB 2.5 is a vast improvment over past versions...

[meade95]

Bump - Still waiting (patiently) for a hopeful patch/update to the current computer AI/ring stratgey selection -

As TBCB is otherwise not-playable for me (in my UNI) since purchasing 2.5 -

[mh2365]

Good news is that Andreas is collecting bug issues and ring strategy is high on the list

Bad news is nothing will be done until OOTP9 is out and patched.

[Non Compos Mentis]

Originally Posted by meade95

Bump - Still waiting (patiently) for a hopeful patch/update to the current computer AI/ring stratgey selection -

As TBCB is otherwise not-playable for me (in my UNI) since purchasing 2.5 -

I've tested it, and fast simmed bouts will select cover up as a strategy and the fighter will use it based on their skill in covering up even when computer strategies are not allowed. This shows up in the summary report after autoscheduled bouts are simmed. So you don't need to watch each and every fight to ensure boxers are using cover up in the appropriate situation.

Hope this helps you.

[darthpb]

Allow me just to say while I understand the "complaints" here my expections must be extremely different than that of most of yours meaning I am delving myself in am "alternative" fantasy world not an "exact" duplicate of history. In the end I find the results are usually what I expected with a nice smattering of surprises. If the corner strategies do affect the fight as it goes along are your results really skewed or is the end result still about what you expected? I thought the "results" we more heavily based on the fighter ratings and how each fighter matches up with one another as opposed to their in-fight strategy. Again, I'm not really sure what you guys are so anal about. That's not insult but I'm just wondering do you want to duplicate every fighter's actual history, employ their real-life strategy to a tee, and just save the results as close to reality as possible? Is that it? For me I find the cream does indeed rise to the top almost always regardless of strategy flaws and when I get an unexpected result then GREAT! Kind of brings more excitment in my mind since most of a text sim is mulled over in your mind using your imagination, pondering potential fight cards and results while riding the train to work etc. Maybe I'm crazy.

[mh2365]

I don't see where the results are skewed at all ... pretty much what I expect to happen in my uni happens.

That said it does need to be fixed and I think it is probably priority #1 on the next patch.

[darthpb]

Originally Posted by mh2365

I don't see where the results are skewed at all ... pretty much what I expect to happen in my uni happens.

That said it does need to be fixed and I think it is probably priority #1 on the next patch.

Which is what I'm saying and wondering why this great game/program is called "useless."