Pac Man - Diaz PPV (spoilers) - Page 3

mh2365 · 06-30-2008, 05:44 PM

The Ricky Hatton that beat Kostya also got a ton of help from the referee in that bout. When one fighter is allowed to use his elbows, head, and whatever else when the other fighter gets cautioned for legal punches ... hard not to win. We've seen what a difficult time he has had in the States when his uncle isn't the ref.

Same fight in the USA at the same time has an entirely different outcome. If Hatton vs. Manny comes off I'd like to see Meade put his money on the line. I'd be more than willing to take it.

Thunder · 06-30-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

If Hatton vs. Manny comes off I'd like to see Meade put his money on the line. I'd be more than willing to take half of it.

. . only because I would be willing to take half the risk to shield you

meade95 · 06-30-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

The Ricky Hatton that beat Kostya also got a ton of help from the referee in that bout. When one fighter is allowed to use his elbows, head, and whatever else when the other fighter gets cautioned for legal punches ... hard not to win. We've seen what a difficult time he has had in the States when his uncle isn't the ref.

Same fight in the USA at the same time has an entirely different outcome. If Hatton vs. Manny comes off I'd like to see Meade put his money on the line. I'd be more than willing to take it.

You and I will definitely bet if this fight happens - You got a deal - I made a cool 2-dimes on the first Holy Vs Tyson fight....when it was certain one guy was made to order for the other.......Same holds true here..... To much weight to move up....Hatton has the style to cut Manny down and make him trade......Hatton stops him.

Manny fought to another draw with JMM.....and beat a Diaz that while tough is no world beater....... Hatton has lost 1 fight in his life....to the best figther in the world today.....

Mike......This is going to be easy money.....

mh2365 · 06-30-2008, 08:49 PM

I know it is ... love the comparison Holyfield vs. a washed up Tyson .... if anything that is a good comparison only because Hatton fights like a washed up Tyson ... although I would never compare Manny to the piece of dirt Holyfield.

Maybe Ricky will order some Roids under the name Dick Tonhat. (sorry low blow ...couldn't resist)

Love how you throw out that Kosta couldn't knock Hatton down but forget that Eammon McGee did and Floyd KHTFO ... light hitting Floyd made Hatton do a chicken dance.

Of course Hatton will probably lose to Malinaggi making the whole thing mute anyways

mh2365 · 06-30-2008, 08:59 PM

Pretty sure if the fight is in the states the ref won't give little Ricky two minutes to tie his shoe at the exact moment he is going to get KO'd .... like his uncle did against Lazcano. Seriously have you watched a Hatton fight since the Kosta fight?

He was in a life or death struggle against Carlos Maussa for cripes sake

Then he straight lost to Collazo.

Urango had him wincing in pain and holding on for dear life with every body blow

Castillo quit

Floyd KTFO

and Lazcano had him on queer street in the 10th round when Ricky's uncle stepped in to help him

I can think of 4 to 5 LW's who would stand a better chance against Pac Man than Hatton ... heck Valero has a better shot at beating him.

Jersey-Jim · 06-30-2008, 09:33 PM

It could be that Hatton's weight gains and losses in between fights sped up the erosion process. It's true though, he's not the same fighter any longer. Manny could fight at the same weight (135 lbs) and probably outspeed and out punch Hatton. Hatton isn't a one punch slugger, his reflexes aren't great and his body has more mileage on it, too. I wouldn't bet any hard money on Hatton with this fight.

meade95 · 06-30-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Pretty sure if the fight is in the states the ref won't give little Ricky two minutes to tie his shoe at the exact moment he is going to get KO'd .... like his uncle did against Lazcano. Seriously have you watched a Hatton fight since the Kosta fight?

He was in a life or death struggle against Carlos Maussa for cripes sake

Then he straight lost to Collazo.

Urango had him wincing in pain and holding on for dear life with every body blow

Castillo quit

Floyd KTFO

and Lazcano had him on queer street in the 10th round when Ricky's uncle stepped in to help him

I can think of 4 to 5 LW's who would stand a better chance against Pac Man than Hatton ... heck Valero has a better shot at beating him.

Lets watch and see........... Manny's run will end Vs Hatton....and inside the distance...

a87star · 07-01-2008, 12:54 PM

There's already talk about Manny facing Valero so the Hatton fight might be put on the back burner for the moment.

FWIW I think Manny smokes Hatton inside the distance.

I do agree with Meade on one thing........Niida will be in too deep against Gonzalez.

mh2365 · 07-01-2008, 12:59 PM

If the fight is in the US, I'm not sure Hatton beats Malinaggi. I know Bradley takes him out easily.

a87star · 07-01-2008, 01:10 PM

If Malignaggi comes in focused........he should have no trouble winning a clear UD against Hatton (if the fight is in the US).

Bradley would get a stoppage victory against the "Hitman" no matter what continent it took place on.

meade95 · 07-01-2008, 01:13 PM

You guys are all smoking something......The notion that either Malinaggi or Bradely have shown anything to suggest they would beat (or stop) Hatton just isn't a reality....

Hatton would beat both...and do so clearly..........

He will beat Pacman IF the fight happens.........PacMan will get stopped at 140 by a great number of guys.......I've been a fan of PacMan since his Fly Wt days....when I hated seeing him get KO'd by Singsurat.........but he will get beat and stopped at 140.....Just watch........He beat Diaz, who is a decent fighter.....he is nothing that special at 135. A solid win.....but where some are taking this victory is laughable to me.........

mh2365 · 07-01-2008, 01:22 PM

What you don't seem to understand is that we aren't really elevating Manny ... I, for one, just think that an always way way way overrated Hatton is now a shot fighter and has been really since the Kosta fight. A fight which he got a lot of help in to win.

I agree that there are several guys that probably beat Manny at 140 ... Hatton just ain't one of 'em. Hatton has fought exactly 1 "A" level Prime fighter and got KTFO ... so I'm not sure why you are so excited about him.

He had a lot of help beating a "very post prime" Kosta ... was in a life or death struggle with Maussa. Lost to Collazo (although the judges say differently), was hurt by every body shot Urango threw and spent the last 5 rounds holding on for dear life ... was out on his feet against Lazcano when the ref held the fight up for 2 minutes to first cut some tape and then at Hatton's urging another minute to tie Ricky's shoes.

I'm not saying Malinaggi beats him but I wouldn't be surprised. I have no doubt Bradley beats him.

a87star · 07-01-2008, 01:39 PM

Hatton's lifestyle has really eroded his skills. The drinking and poor eating habits then the weight drain to prepare for fights finally caught up with him.

The last great performance by "Hitman" was against Kostya Tszyu (with help from the ref). Ever since that fight......it's been a struggle for him and if fighters like Lazcano are able to trouble Hatton.....it may be time to consider retirement.

mh2365 · 07-01-2008, 01:41 PM

I honestly think Diaz would give Hatton all sorts of trouble if the fight was in the US.

There are several LW's and JWW's that I think give Manny a much tougher fight than Hatton would. Like I said above, Valero is a tougher fight for Manny than Hatton will be.

meade95 · 07-01-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

I honestly think Diaz would give Hatton all sorts of trouble if the fight was in the US.

There are several LW's and JWW's that I think give Manny a much tougher fight than Hatton would. Like I said above, Valero is a tougher fight for Manny than Hatton will be.

Valero would not be a tougher fight.......His power could catch and KO Manny sure.......but Manny would be a clear favorite to win..........As for Hatton.....We'll see when it happens......

Diaz is not anywhere close to what Hatton is .....Not even close......We'll all see if and when this fight happens......Hatton will end Manny's run....

mh2365 · 07-01-2008, 03:26 PM

My guess is Hatton won't take the fight ... he turned down his biggest paycheck ever when he turned down ODLH. I think he will keep fighting guys he is pretty sure he can beat over in Manchester and then retire in a year or two. He strikes me as smart enough to know the writing on the wall.

Although he might think he can beat Manny since Manny is smaller and go for a big paycheck but I doubt it. Manny would be a clear favorite to win against Hatton also ... too bad though I would have loved to win big on it.

meade95 · 07-01-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

My guess is Hatton won't take the fight ... he turned down his biggest paycheck ever when he turned down ODLH. I think he will keep fighting guys he is pretty sure he can beat over in Manchester and then retire in a year or two. He strikes me as smart enough to know the writing on the wall.

Although he might think he can beat Manny since Manny is smaller and go for a big paycheck but I doubt it. Manny would be a clear favorite to win against Hatton also ... too bad though I would have loved to win big on it.

Manny will not be a favorite to beat Hatton on fight night (not $$ wise). I highly doubt that - History matters more than emtions when it comes to $$ - And the notion that he is going to bring it up to 140 won't hold true to many when laying $$ down...... Especially Vs a guy who has only lost once in his career....and that was to the best fighter in the world at the time........

If the Manny Fight doesn't happen....it will be the Manny Camp calling it off......

mh2365 · 07-01-2008, 03:29 PM

Speaking of betting odds ... Ricardo Torres is getting 3.75 to 1 odds against Kendall Holt on Saturday night. While I think the fight is a pick 'em 3.75 odds against someone he has already beaten??? I will be placing some $$ on Torres.

mh2365 · 07-01-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by meade95

Manny will not be a favorite to beat Hatton on fight night (not $$ wise). I highly doubt that - History matters more than emtions when it comes to $$ - And the notion that he is going to bring it up to 140 won't hold true to many when laying $$ down...... Especially Vs a guy who has only lost once in his career....and that was to the best fighter in the world at the time........

If the Manny Fight doesn't happen....it will be the Manny Camp calling it off......

Too funny ...

a87star · 07-01-2008, 04:31 PM

Here we go.........Now Manny will duck Hatton according to certain unpaid "experts". That's laughable. I think it will be the other way around.

06-30-2008, 08:49 PM	#44 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	I know it is ... love the comparison Holyfield vs. a washed up Tyson .... if anything that is a good comparison only because Hatton fights like a washed up Tyson ... although I would never compare Manny to the piece of dirt Holyfield. Maybe Ricky will order some Roids under the name Dick Tonhat. (sorry low blow ...couldn't resist) Love how you throw out that Kosta couldn't knock Hatton down but forget that Eammon McGee did and Floyd KHTFO ... light hitting Floyd made Hatton do a chicken dance. Of course Hatton will probably lose to Malinaggi making the whole thing mute anyways Last edited by mh2365 : 06-30-2008 at 08:53 PM.

07-01-2008, 12:54 PM	#48 (permalink)
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,023	There's already talk about Manny facing Valero so the Hatton fight might be put on the back burner for the moment. FWIW I think Manny smokes Hatton inside the distance. I do agree with Meade on one thing........Niida will be in too deep against Gonzalez. __________________ Women Boxing Archive Network Womens International Boxing Association Last edited by a87star : 07-01-2008 at 12:57 PM.

07-01-2008, 01:10 PM	#50 (permalink)
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,023	If Malignaggi comes in focused........he should have no trouble winning a clear UD against Hatton (if the fight is in the US). Bradley would get a stoppage victory against the "Hitman" no matter what continent it took place on. __________________ Women Boxing Archive Network Womens International Boxing Association

07-01-2008, 01:13 PM	#51 (permalink)
meade95 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,795	You guys are all smoking something......The notion that either Malinaggi or Bradely have shown anything to suggest they would beat (or stop) Hatton just isn't a reality.... Hatton would beat both...and do so clearly.......... He will beat Pacman IF the fight happens.........PacMan will get stopped at 140 by a great number of guys.......I've been a fan of PacMan since his Fly Wt days....when I hated seeing him get KO'd by Singsurat.........but he will get beat and stopped at 140.....Just watch........He beat Diaz, who is a decent fighter.....he is nothing that special at 135. A solid win.....but where some are taking this victory is laughable to me......... Last edited by meade95 : 07-01-2008 at 01:17 PM.

07-01-2008, 01:39 PM	#53 (permalink)
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,023	Hatton's lifestyle has really eroded his skills. The drinking and poor eating habits then the weight drain to prepare for fights finally caught up with him. The last great performance by "Hitman" was against Kostya Tszyu (with help from the ref). Ever since that fight......it's been a struggle for him and if fighters like Lazcano are able to trouble Hatton.....it may be time to consider retirement. __________________ Women Boxing Archive Network Womens International Boxing Association

06-30-2008, 05:44 PM	#41 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	The Ricky Hatton that beat Kostya also got a ton of help from the referee in that bout. When one fighter is allowed to use his elbows, head, and whatever else when the other fighter gets cautioned for legal punches ... hard not to win. We've seen what a difficult time he has had in the States when his uncle isn't the ref. Same fight in the USA at the same time has an entirely different outcome. If Hatton vs. Manny comes off I'd like to see Meade put his money on the line. I'd be more than willing to take it.

06-30-2008, 08:59 PM	#45 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Pretty sure if the fight is in the states the ref won't give little Ricky two minutes to tie his shoe at the exact moment he is going to get KO'd .... like his uncle did against Lazcano. Seriously have you watched a Hatton fight since the Kosta fight? He was in a life or death struggle against Carlos Maussa for cripes sake Then he straight lost to Collazo. Urango had him wincing in pain and holding on for dear life with every body blow Castillo quit Floyd KTFO and Lazcano had him on queer street in the 10th round when Ricky's uncle stepped in to help him I can think of 4 to 5 LW's who would stand a better chance against Pac Man than Hatton ... heck Valero has a better shot at beating him.

06-30-2008, 09:33 PM	#46 (permalink)
Jersey-Jim All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ Posts: 973	It could be that Hatton's weight gains and losses in between fights sped up the erosion process. It's true though, he's not the same fighter any longer. Manny could fight at the same weight (135 lbs) and probably outspeed and out punch Hatton. Hatton isn't a one punch slugger, his reflexes aren't great and his body has more mileage on it, too. I wouldn't bet any hard money on Hatton with this fight.

07-01-2008, 12:59 PM	#49 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	If the fight is in the US, I'm not sure Hatton beats Malinaggi. I know Bradley takes him out easily.

07-01-2008, 01:22 PM	#52 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	What you don't seem to understand is that we aren't really elevating Manny ... I, for one, just think that an always way way way overrated Hatton is now a shot fighter and has been really since the Kosta fight. A fight which he got a lot of help in to win. I agree that there are several guys that probably beat Manny at 140 ... Hatton just ain't one of 'em. Hatton has fought exactly 1 "A" level Prime fighter and got KTFO ... so I'm not sure why you are so excited about him. He had a lot of help beating a "very post prime" Kosta ... was in a life or death struggle with Maussa. Lost to Collazo (although the judges say differently), was hurt by every body shot Urango threw and spent the last 5 rounds holding on for dear life ... was out on his feet against Lazcano when the ref held the fight up for 2 minutes to first cut some tape and then at Hatton's urging another minute to tie Ricky's shoes. I'm not saying Malinaggi beats him but I wouldn't be surprised. I have no doubt Bradley beats him.

07-01-2008, 01:41 PM	#54 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	I honestly think Diaz would give Hatton all sorts of trouble if the fight was in the US. There are several LW's and JWW's that I think give Manny a much tougher fight than Hatton would. Like I said above, Valero is a tougher fight for Manny than Hatton will be.

07-01-2008, 03:26 PM	#56 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	My guess is Hatton won't take the fight ... he turned down his biggest paycheck ever when he turned down ODLH. I think he will keep fighting guys he is pretty sure he can beat over in Manchester and then retire in a year or two. He strikes me as smart enough to know the writing on the wall. Although he might think he can beat Manny since Manny is smaller and go for a big paycheck but I doubt it. Manny would be a clear favorite to win against Hatton also ... too bad though I would have loved to win big on it.

07-01-2008, 03:29 PM	#58 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Speaking of betting odds ... Ricardo Torres is getting 3.75 to 1 odds against Kendall Holt on Saturday night. While I think the fight is a pick 'em 3.75 odds against someone he has already beaten??? I will be placing some $$ on Torres.

07-01-2008, 04:31 PM	#60 (permalink)
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,023	Here we go.........Now Manny will duck Hatton according to certain unpaid "experts". That's laughable. I think it will be the other way around. __________________ Women Boxing Archive Network Womens International Boxing Association

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