Pac Man - Diaz PPV (spoilers) - Page 4

meade95 · 07-01-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by a87star

Here we go.........Now Manny will duck Hatton according to certain unpaid "experts". That's laughable. I think it will be the other way around.

I'm not the one bringing up one fighter ducking the other......I simply said if it were going to happen it would likely be from Manny's side.....Not Hatton....... Regardless whether you think Hatton has slipped or not.....I can tell you this with certainty....neither himself nor his camp is going to be afraid of fighting a one time Fly Wt....and basically a power hitting FW ........

If you think otherwise.......That is what is laughable...

mh2365 · 07-01-2008, 07:13 PM

Keep it in check Meade ... everyone is entitled to an opinion whether it agrees with yours or not.

Manny's camp has talked about nothing but Hatton, while Hatton's camp has talked more about who they aren't willing to fight.

My too funny comment is that you can be at times the most knowledgeable boxing person I know but then you get stubborn and bullheaded when someone disagrees with you and you can't see the obvious right in front of you. It is obvious to almost everyone that Hatton's better days are behind him ... not because he lost to PBF ... but how he was fighting before that, the manner in which he lost (getting KTFO by a strict defense and safety first fighter), and how he has fought afterwards.

You could be right and Hatton could eat Manny's lunch. The problem with trying to converse or debate anything with you is that you don't allow any possibility that you could be wrong.

Good luck with this argument the rest of the way ... I will let you bang your head against the wall by yourself now.

meade95 · 07-01-2008, 07:54 PM

I maintain the notion that it is complete foolishness for anyone to honestly think the Hatton camp has any reservations about fighting PacMan (if the money is there for both of them).......Regardless who anyone wants to think will win..........The idea that Camp Hatton is scared of PacMan is really silly.......

Reality is Hatton dominated Lazcano (that he didn't stop him is meaningless).....He won a wide decision over Urango.....stopped a washed up Castillo....stopped Maussa.....and had a tough as hell fight Vs Collazo.......(so be it....that is boxing on any given night).

Reality is the guy is 44-1-0 (30 some odd KOs)......He has fought and owned the 140 division for years.........PacMan hasn't even beaten the best at 135.......Let him come up to 140.....He will be stopped inside of 10 rounds by Hatton....and beaten up in the process....

Bookmark this page.........

mh2365 · 07-01-2008, 08:01 PM

Saying "reality" before your opinion doesn't make it true

meade95 · 07-01-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Saying "reality" before your opinion doesn't make it true

It doesn't hurt.....

mh2365 · 07-01-2008, 08:28 PM

Reality is my poop smells like freshly cut grass .....

wow you are right ... makes everything seem more believable

Reality is your wife is smoking hot and you need to post bigger and higher quality pics

meade95 · 07-01-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Reality is my poop smells like freshly cut grass .....

wow you are right ... makes everything seem more believable

No....You see....my reality is actually true. Hatton IS in fact 44-1-0. He DID in fact win those fights in the manner I wrote....and he HAS been a 140 pounder for his fighting career....

Again,.....PacMan beat a decent, albeit limited LW Diaz.....Not even the top-tier of the LW class........Let him jump up to 140....and make a believer out of me.....(again, I already love the guy, have been a fan of his when he was a Fly Wt champion and no one even knew about him......I predicted he would beat Lebwaba when they faced at JFW for Lebwaba long held title.....and Lebwaba was a big time favorite)......but he won't beat Hatton at 140........Not gonna happen...

CONN CHRIS · 07-01-2008, 10:06 PM

I'm not sure how either side can be all that sure about the outcome. We're talking about Manny putting on what, maybe 4 pounds? Will Hatton have to boil down a whole lot to even make JWW in another year or however long it takes to get the fight made.

Seems like a crapshoot to me at this stage if it even ever comes off.

meade95 · 07-01-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I'm not sure how either side can be all that sure about the outcome. We're talking about Manny putting on what, maybe 4 pounds? Will Hatton have to boil down a whole lot to even make JWW in another year or however long it takes to get the fight made.

Seems like a crapshoot to me at this stage if it even ever comes off.

4 pounds (To build up there to) is a whole lot different - You can walk around (out of shape) at 150......That doesn't mean when you are in shape you should fight anywhere near 140......

And those 4 to 5 pounds per division.....History would tell us...plenty of times it might as well have been 100 pounds when it came to a fighter trying to move up a divsion and win another belt.....(especially 2 or 3 divisions). Which without question Manny has done.....But he won't do it at 140......Vs the likes of a Hatton...

a87star · 07-01-2008, 10:23 PM

It really doesn't bother me that Meade called me a name. He just doesn't like the fact when his opinions are challenged and he just can't be diplomatic about it but meanwhile i'm always showing respect to just about everyone here. Guess it's hard to please some people.

meade95 · 07-01-2008, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a87star

It really doesn't bother me that Meade called me a name. He just doesn't like the fact when his opinions are challenged and he just can't be diplomatic about it but meanwhile i'm always showing respect to just about everyone here. Guess it's hard to please some people.

nevermind....

mh2365 · 07-02-2008, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by meade95

No....You see....my reality is actually true. Hatton IS in fact 44-1-0. He DID in fact win those fights in the manner I wrote....and he HAS been a 140 pounder for his fighting career....

Again,.....PacMan beat a decent, albeit limited LW Diaz.....Not even the top-tier of the LW class........Let him jump up to 140....and make a believer out of me.....(again, I already love the guy, have been a fan of his when he was a Fly Wt champion and no one even knew about him......I predicted he would beat Lebwaba when they faced at JFW for Lebwaba long held title.....and Lebwaba was a big time favorite)......but he won't beat Hatton at 140........Not gonna happen...

You just can't leave it alone can you .... oh well I tried to let it go. You pretty much just proved my point.

meade95 · 07-02-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

You just can't leave it alone can you .... oh well I tried to let it go. You pretty much just proved my point.

Can't let what go?.....Aren't we here for the purpose of talking boxing....debating...and what not......

My points are there are very real reasons and realities to why PacMan will play hell being sucessful at 140...........The notion that Hatton is washed up and a bloated 44-1....just doesn't cut it...

Rock on...

mh2365 · 07-02-2008, 02:49 PM

You can't debate when one side never allows that possibility that it is wrong.

meade95 · 07-02-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

You can't debate when one side never allows that possibility that it is wrong.

Well, hell, couldn't the same be said about you? But you don't see my whining about that.....nor taking silly cheap shots to boot....

Regarding this subject......How the heck can I state I completely believe PacMan is made to order for Hatton (moving up in weight, style-wise, etc)...and then turn around and say.....yeah, I guess PacMan may win to.

My point is.....PacMan's run (on moving up in weight WILL end).....and Vs a top LW for example I believe it would have. Say when Castillo was in his prime days.....He beats and stops Manny at LW (IMO).......

Move along to today.....If Camp PacMan thinks Hatton is their target at 140........I don't see that working out well for Manny....(for the reasons already listed above).

mh2365 · 07-02-2008, 04:38 PM

Whatever Meade ... good luck backing your shot boy Ricky

Thunder · 07-03-2008, 09:41 PM

PacMan-Diaz on HBO tonight (9:30 in Eastern US time zone)

Edit: Tonight being Thursday 7/3/08

mh2365 · 07-03-2008, 11:08 PM

Rewatched it with my son last night. Here's the problem with the fight. Going into the fight Diaz is a World Champ (one of the real titles) ... he is a B level fighter. Coming out of it people are downgrading Manny's performance saying Diaz wasn't any good .... well it's because Manny made him not any good.

This is how it starts ... Manny is now the P4P king and because of that the haters start to come out. The way the world is today they hate the best. PBF made pretty much everyone look like crap ... so the haters say he didn't fight anyone ... BS ... he just made all of them look like he wasn't fighting anyone.

If Manny is focused going into a fight like he was for this one ... I'm not sure anyone 140lbs on down can beat him.

Syd Thrift · 07-05-2008, 11:56 PM

Yeah... Diaz's corner kept saying he needed to get his head against Pac Man's chest and just start flailing, but there was no way he was going to be able to do that. That's the mark IMO of an ATG, being able to take your game to the other guy even in a championship fight. I think Manny was a little more of a boxer than he was against, say, Barrera, but that's going to be a necessity against the bigger men. That being said, people always talk about the downsides of moving up weight classes but you never hear about the upsides. Pacquiao was a fast puncher for the lower classes; as a lightweight or larger, he's probably quicker than anybody else in the world.

Diaz may not be up at the very top level of guys, but he is in truth a very, very good fighter who was simply outclassed. Pac Man is not going to be an easy lightweight to stop.

Cap · 07-18-2008, 09:08 AM

Just watched tape of the Pacquio-Diaz blowout. This guy Diaz had nothing. Someone said before the fight that Packy's camp cherry-picked Diaz to get another belt. I found it interesting that the weights listed before the fight started made those two guys welterweights. Packy was 147. If he was, I'd have to go with him against Hatton. No way is Hatton afraid of anyone, but Packy is too fast, too elusive and too big a puncher for the Brit. That being said, it's one fight, and anything can happen.

Cap

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CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 21,327	I'm not sure how either side can be all that sure about the outcome. We're talking about Manny putting on what, maybe 4 pounds? Will Hatton have to boil down a whole lot to even make JWW in another year or however long it takes to get the fight made. Seems like a crapshoot to me at this stage if it even ever comes off. __________________ REC World Prizefighter Rankings

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a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,023	It really doesn't bother me that Meade called me a name. He just doesn't like the fact when his opinions are challenged and he just can't be diplomatic about it but meanwhile i'm always showing respect to just about everyone here. Guess it's hard to please some people. __________________ Women Boxing Archive Network Womens International Boxing Association

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Thunder Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,180	PacMan-Diaz on HBO tonight (9:30 in Eastern US time zone) Edit: Tonight being Thursday 7/3/08 __________________ A government of the people, by the people, and for the people has not perished from the Earth. ~ A person I won't name said this, but he proved the U.S. electorate is sick of baseless partisan attacks (but for reasons unknown, the only ones that don't seem to have gotten the message are the ones who lost out because of said attacks).

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Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	Just watched tape of the Pacquio-Diaz blowout. This guy Diaz had nothing. Someone said before the fight that Packy's camp cherry-picked Diaz to get another belt. I found it interesting that the weights listed before the fight started made those two guys welterweights. Packy was 147. If he was, I'd have to go with him against Hatton. No way is Hatton afraid of anyone, but Packy is too fast, too elusive and too big a puncher for the Brit. That being said, it's one fight, and anything can happen. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

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07-01-2008, 07:13 PM	#62 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Keep it in check Meade ... everyone is entitled to an opinion whether it agrees with yours or not. Manny's camp has talked about nothing but Hatton, while Hatton's camp has talked more about who they aren't willing to fight. My too funny comment is that you can be at times the most knowledgeable boxing person I know but then you get stubborn and bullheaded when someone disagrees with you and you can't see the obvious right in front of you. It is obvious to almost everyone that Hatton's better days are behind him ... not because he lost to PBF ... but how he was fighting before that, the manner in which he lost (getting KTFO by a strict defense and safety first fighter), and how he has fought afterwards. You could be right and Hatton could eat Manny's lunch. The problem with trying to converse or debate anything with you is that you don't allow any possibility that you could be wrong. Good luck with this argument the rest of the way ... I will let you bang your head against the wall by yourself now.

07-01-2008, 07:54 PM	#63 (permalink)
meade95 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,795	I maintain the notion that it is complete foolishness for anyone to honestly think the Hatton camp has any reservations about fighting PacMan (if the money is there for both of them).......Regardless who anyone wants to think will win..........The idea that Camp Hatton is scared of PacMan is really silly....... Reality is Hatton dominated Lazcano (that he didn't stop him is meaningless).....He won a wide decision over Urango.....stopped a washed up Castillo....stopped Maussa.....and had a tough as hell fight Vs Collazo.......(so be it....that is boxing on any given night). Reality is the guy is 44-1-0 (30 some odd KOs)......He has fought and owned the 140 division for years.........PacMan hasn't even beaten the best at 135.......Let him come up to 140.....He will be stopped inside of 10 rounds by Hatton....and beaten up in the process.... Bookmark this page.........

07-01-2008, 08:01 PM	#64 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Saying "reality" before your opinion doesn't make it true

07-01-2008, 08:28 PM	#66 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Reality is my poop smells like freshly cut grass ..... wow you are right ... makes everything seem more believable Reality is your wife is smoking hot and you need to post bigger and higher quality pics

07-02-2008, 02:49 PM	#74 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	You can't debate when one side never allows that possibility that it is wrong.

07-02-2008, 04:38 PM	#76 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Whatever Meade ... good luck backing your shot boy Ricky

07-03-2008, 11:08 PM	#78 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Rewatched it with my son last night. Here's the problem with the fight. Going into the fight Diaz is a World Champ (one of the real titles) ... he is a B level fighter. Coming out of it people are downgrading Manny's performance saying Diaz wasn't any good .... well it's because Manny made him not any good. This is how it starts ... Manny is now the P4P king and because of that the haters start to come out. The way the world is today they hate the best. PBF made pretty much everyone look like crap ... so the haters say he didn't fight anyone ... BS ... he just made all of them look like he wasn't fighting anyone. If Manny is focused going into a fight like he was for this one ... I'm not sure anyone 140lbs on down can beat him.

07-05-2008, 11:56 PM	#79 (permalink)
Syd Thrift Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,113	Yeah... Diaz's corner kept saying he needed to get his head against Pac Man's chest and just start flailing, but there was no way he was going to be able to do that. That's the mark IMO of an ATG, being able to take your game to the other guy even in a championship fight. I think Manny was a little more of a boxer than he was against, say, Barrera, but that's going to be a necessity against the bigger men. That being said, people always talk about the downsides of moving up weight classes but you never hear about the upsides. Pacquiao was a fast puncher for the lower classes; as a lightweight or larger, he's probably quicker than anybody else in the world. Diaz may not be up at the very top level of guys, but he is in truth a very, very good fighter who was simply outclassed. Pac Man is not going to be an easy lightweight to stop.