Haye/Valuev for WBA Heavyweight title-(spoiler - results in thread!)

stevebydac · 11-07-2009, 10:19 PM

Haye fights Valuev for WBA heavyweight title - SI.com

Cap · 11-08-2009, 08:39 AM

Steve, would have appreciated a spoiler warning instead.....

Still, that said, nice win for Haye.

Cap

Lee · 11-08-2009, 11:17 AM

I see this as a good thing. Haye is the type of fighter whose personality will polarize people, but he will at least add some excitement to the HW division, since he does demand attention.

He also fights at a quicker pace than most of the division and has some pop too. Will be interesting to see if he can generate a following in the US.

Lee · 11-08-2009, 11:27 AM

Dola

Just watched "highlights" of the fight, not very entertaining at all. I suppose Haye did what he had to do to beat someone that big, but if he fights future opponents like that forget all I said in the post before this one.

Jersey-Jim · 11-08-2009, 01:13 PM

The fight was horrific to watch. The best part was when Valuev was staggered in the last round.

Mad Bomber · 11-08-2009, 02:54 PM

Dreadful.

hamed2 · 11-08-2009, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee

I see this as a good thing. Haye is the type of fighter whose personality will polarize people, but he will at least add some excitement to the HW division, since he does demand attention.

He also fights at a quicker pace than most of the division and has some pop too. Will be interesting to see if he can generate a following in the US.

I agree & hope Haye knocks out Ruiz.

stevebydac · 11-08-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cap

Steve, would have appreciated a spoiler warning instead.....

Still, that said, nice win for Haye.

Cap

I was reminded of that via PM by another poster. My sincerest apologies to anyone who wanted a spoiler warning. I simply had a brain meltdown and forgot to do that this time.

kenyan_cheena · 11-08-2009, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevebydac

I was reminded of that via PM by another poster. My sincerest apologies to anyone who wanted a spoiler warning. I simply had a brain meltdown and forgot to do that this time.

Well, it's not like it was Cotto vs Pacquiao or something. But I guess I can understand people not wanting to have the result spoiled.

Tommysixfingers · 11-09-2009, 01:53 AM

The saddest part about all this is that Ruiz gets another shot at the title once again. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the man is the herpes of boxing. Just won't go away.

I might add that I find it fascinating that people visit boxing sites when they clearly don't want to know the result of a fight. Spoiler warnings or not, stay clear of boxing sites if you don't want the outcome of the fight spoiled. Easy as that.

Lee · 11-09-2009, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

The saddest part about all this is that Ruiz gets another shot at the title once again. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the man is the herpes of boxing. Just won't go away.

I might add that I find it fascinating that people visit boxing sites when they clearly don't want to know the result of a fight. Spoiler warnings or not, stay clear of boxing sites if you don't want the outcome of the fight spoiled. Easy as that.

I thought the Ruiz reference was a joke, how in the world does he get another title shot???? Hell, Carlos Maussa (The all-time non title shot deserving fighter) is even scratching his head!

IceTea · 11-09-2009, 11:19 AM

I give Ruiz a decent chance and beating Haye. The new champ should try to cash in as soon as he can with a fight against Wlad in England or Germany. It would draw 60,000.

Haye had the physical skill set to defeat the slow giant (speed, movement) but he doesn't know how to fight. He is basically a playgirl model that the fitted with trunks and a set of grant boxing gloves.

Lee · 11-09-2009, 12:35 PM

Ruiz could give Haye trouble only because he is so experienced and is good at the mauling tactics he employs. Haye has some power and would need to throw 3-4 shots at a time and move. Get Ruiz frustrated and force him to take chances, then start to sit down on his punches and rock him. In this scenario I say Haye by late round TKO.

I do disagree with IceTea in that I think Haye could be a solid fighter, the issue is he likes to mug for the crowd too much and thinks he is the second coming of Pernal Whitaker with his hands at his waist all the time. He just wastes too much energy trying to be cute. Limit the dancing, work on moving from the waist more (his reflexes are certainly good enough that he would be better than average defensively this way) and work combinations from different angles.

If he doesnt fix the hands at his waist issue, sooner or later his chin is going to get checked and there is a difference between getting clocked by a 245 lb HW vs a 190 lb cruiserweight.

bear · 11-09-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Bomber

Dreadful.

Ditto for me.

BigBoyBrackey · 11-09-2009, 10:23 PM

I haven't seen the fight. I was ready to cough up the $24.95 for the pay-per-view, but family engagements kept me from even finding out if it was available on my cable system Saturday afternoon. Judging from prior Valuev fights and reading about this one, I wonder if it's possible for anyone to look good against him, or vice-versa. His lack of concussive power prevents him from being very interesting offensively, while his size and (for that size) athleticism make him tough to hurt, much less finish.

I'm not surprised Haye was able to outpoint him, given his inability to solve Holyfield. I don't hold out a lot of hope for Haye against either Klitschko, either. But please, let him beat Ruiz ...

BigFiasco · 11-10-2009, 12:48 AM

Hayemaker would have his hands full with either Klitschko, but he will definately destroy Ruiz badly

Bronx Bomber 15 · 11-10-2009, 06:26 PM

From what I managed to see of both fights, it looked like Holyfield had a more solid win over Valuev than Haye did. I'm hoping for Haye to do well, but not very impressed with what I saw.

I agree with Tea, forget Ruiz and go for a fight with Wlad. That's where the money is.

IceTea · 11-10-2009, 07:11 PM

Ruiz was down to 227 in his bout that night, I don't think Haye can beat him. If you watched Haye against the Valuev, his hands were down and he would throw two punches and move away from the slow counter shots. I can't remember him throwing more than two punches at a time in that fight. Haye has a weak chin and he knows it. Ruiz will lay on the inside and force Haye to fight at closer quarters which isn't his game. Ruiz is the wrong fight....he should request a fight with Wlad for big $ before he gets KO'd.

Owen · 11-10-2009, 10:09 PM

Haye will throw more then 2 punches per round against Ruiz. He fought that way to beat Valuev. Also he broke his right hand in the 2nd round.

11-07-2009, 10:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
stevebydac All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In a fictional baseball world Posts: 770 Thanks: 69 Thanked 118x in 67 posts	Haye/Valuev for WBA Heavyweight title-(spoiler - results in thread!) Haye fights Valuev for WBA heavyweight title - SI.com __________________ Last edited by stevebydac; 11-08-2009 at 05:34 PM.

11-08-2009, 08:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,546 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 14 Thanked 65x in 52 posts	Steve, would have appreciated a spoiler warning instead..... Still, that said, nice win for Haye. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.." Last edited by Cap; 11-08-2009 at 08:43 AM.

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Lee Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Scorched Desert Posts: 2,856 Thanks: 168 Thanked 233x in 145 posts	I see this as a good thing. Haye is the type of fighter whose personality will polarize people, but he will at least add some excitement to the HW division, since he does demand attention. He also fights at a quicker pace than most of the division and has some pop too. Will be interesting to see if he can generate a following in the US. __________________ World Team Boxing League - Schedule World Team Boxing League - Team Rosters League Rules

11-08-2009, 11:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
Lee Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Scorched Desert Posts: 2,856 Thanks: 168 Thanked 233x in 145 posts	Dola Just watched "highlights" of the fight, not very entertaining at all. I suppose Haye did what he had to do to beat someone that big, but if he fights future opponents like that forget all I said in the post before this one. __________________ World Team Boxing League - Schedule World Team Boxing League - Team Rosters League Rules

11-08-2009, 01:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jersey-Jim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toms River, NJ & Sarasota, FL. Posts: 2,696 Thanks: 6 Thanked 45x in 43 posts	The fight was horrific to watch. The best part was when Valuev was staggered in the last round. __________________ *The Boxing Magazine.com: Sep. 2010 Issue* The 2010 All-Time Heavyweight Champions Tournament Notes From A Title Bout Universe Notes from my All-Time Tournaments Heavyweight \| Light Heavyweight Middleweight \|

11-08-2009, 02:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mad Bomber All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,554 Thanks: 93 Thanked 18x in 17 posts	Dreadful. __________________ Keep on Punchin' There are three things that go on a fighter, first your reflexes go, then your chin goes, and then your friends go. Willie Pep

11-09-2009, 01:53 AM	#10 (permalink)
Tommysixfingers All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 1,390 Thanks: 26 Thanked 28x in 21 posts	The saddest part about all this is that Ruiz gets another shot at the title once again. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the man is the herpes of boxing. Just won't go away. I might add that I find it fascinating that people visit boxing sites when they clearly don't want to know the result of a fight. Spoiler warnings or not, stay clear of boxing sites if you don't want the outcome of the fight spoiled. Easy as that. __________________ Qui Tangit Frangitur

11-09-2009, 11:19 AM	#12 (permalink)
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New Hartford, NY Posts: 8,845 Thanks: 183 Thanked 282x in 196 posts	I give Ruiz a decent chance and beating Haye. The new champ should try to cash in as soon as he can with a fight against Wlad in England or Germany. It would draw 60,000. Haye had the physical skill set to defeat the slow giant (speed, movement) but he doesn't know how to fight. He is basically a playgirl model that the fitted with trunks and a set of grant boxing gloves. __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone IFBA Philadelphia Boxing Fighterlist Boxrec Ross Boxing

11-09-2009, 12:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
Lee Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Scorched Desert Posts: 2,856 Thanks: 168 Thanked 233x in 145 posts	Ruiz could give Haye trouble only because he is so experienced and is good at the mauling tactics he employs. Haye has some power and would need to throw 3-4 shots at a time and move. Get Ruiz frustrated and force him to take chances, then start to sit down on his punches and rock him. In this scenario I say Haye by late round TKO. I do disagree with IceTea in that I think Haye could be a solid fighter, the issue is he likes to mug for the crowd too much and thinks he is the second coming of Pernal Whitaker with his hands at his waist all the time. He just wastes too much energy trying to be cute. Limit the dancing, work on moving from the waist more (his reflexes are certainly good enough that he would be better than average defensively this way) and work combinations from different angles. If he doesnt fix the hands at his waist issue, sooner or later his chin is going to get checked and there is a difference between getting clocked by a 245 lb HW vs a 190 lb cruiserweight. __________________ World Team Boxing League - Schedule World Team Boxing League - Team Rosters League Rules

11-09-2009, 10:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
BigBoyBrackey All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Buffalo, N.Y. Posts: 823 Thanks: 31 Thanked 39x in 39 posts	I haven't seen the fight. I was ready to cough up the $24.95 for the pay-per-view, but family engagements kept me from even finding out if it was available on my cable system Saturday afternoon. Judging from prior Valuev fights and reading about this one, I wonder if it's possible for anyone to look good against him, or vice-versa. His lack of concussive power prevents him from being very interesting offensively, while his size and (for that size) athleticism make him tough to hurt, much less finish. I'm not surprised Haye was able to outpoint him, given his inability to solve Holyfield. I don't hold out a lot of hope for Haye against either Klitschko, either. But please, let him beat Ruiz ... __________________ He Coulda Been a Champion: A Greg Page Memorial Uni (Imagining a world of 1980s heavyweights without Don King) The Greatest of This Time: Present-day division-by-division tournaments The Big Fellows (Various and Sundry Heavyweight Tournaments) Shoulda' But Didna': Great Fights That Never Were

11-10-2009, 12:48 AM	#16 (permalink)
BigFiasco Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 172 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	Hayemaker would have his hands full with either Klitschko, but he will definately destroy Ruiz badly

11-10-2009, 06:26 PM	#17 (permalink)
Bronx Bomber 15 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: here and there Posts: 890 Thanks: 2 Thanked 10x in 9 posts	From what I managed to see of both fights, it looked like Holyfield had a more solid win over Valuev than Haye did. I'm hoping for Haye to do well, but not very impressed with what I saw. I agree with Tea, forget Ruiz and go for a fight with Wlad. That's where the money is. __________________ The Boxing Tribune Facebook page The Boxing Tribune The Boxing Tribune Forums

11-10-2009, 07:11 PM	#18 (permalink)
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New Hartford, NY Posts: 8,845 Thanks: 183 Thanked 282x in 196 posts	Ruiz was down to 227 in his bout that night, I don't think Haye can beat him. If you watched Haye against the Valuev, his hands were down and he would throw two punches and move away from the slow counter shots. I can't remember him throwing more than two punches at a time in that fight. Haye has a weak chin and he knows it. Ruiz will lay on the inside and force Haye to fight at closer quarters which isn't his game. Ruiz is the wrong fight....he should request a fight with Wlad for big $ before he gets KO'd. __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone IFBA Philadelphia Boxing Fighterlist Boxrec Ross Boxing Last edited by IceTea; 11-10-2009 at 07:15 PM.

11-10-2009, 10:09 PM	#19 (permalink)
Owen Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Atlantic City, NJ Posts: 166 Thanks: 92 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	Haye will throw more then 2 punches per round against Ruiz. He fought that way to beat Valuev. Also he broke his right hand in the 2nd round.

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