WBC Silver Belt

[javier_83]

My friends, I need your opinion about the new silver belt that will be using the WBC

The WBC is doing all that is possible to eliminate interim titles due to the disorder and little seriousness that those titles themselves lead to.

So what do you think?

[Mugsy]

I am all for anything that eliminates a super champion, a regular champion and an interim champion all in the same division all for the same santioning body.

[hamed2]

I think it's pretty.

[zyberianwarrior]

Its about time. There ware way too many "chumpions" anyway. One ttile one winner. Now if I can figguer out a way to incorportae that into my league.....

[Jersey-Jim]

I'm not sure I follow? Does this mean the title belt will now be silver and there will not be any other belts?

[hamed2]

Originally Posted by Jersey-Jim

I'm not sure I follow? Does this mean the title belt will now be silver and there will not be any other belts?

Good question, maybe they get a bronze belt next so we have 3 champs for each division in the WBC alone & you work your way up to the Gold belt champ by beating the Bronze & Silver belt holders 1st.

[Cap]

Unfortunately, the WBC leeches are part of the problem not the solution. El Presidente Jose should try to unify all the commissions before there is nothing left to suck blood from.

Cap

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by Cap

Unfortunately, the WBC leeches are part of the problem not the solution. El Presidente Jose should try to unify all the commissions before there is nothing left to suck blood from.

Cap

Heres El Presidente Jose showing some real class and leadership skills again.....

WBC bullies trying to shaft junior welterweight champ Devon Alexander - ESPN

[Cap]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

Heres El Presidente Jose showing some real class and leadership skills again.....

WBC bullies trying to shaft junior welterweight champ Devon Alexander - ESPN

"...In any event, Sulaiman said he would recommend to his puppet group of WBC governors at the annual convention in November that they institute the WBC "silver title," which would be a "substitution of an interim championship that does not represent a real title, when it is approved only for a fight without real significance.


"...In other words, every fight should have some dumb belt attached to it because he thinks it somehow helps the sport. Of course, the real reason is so Sulaiman can use the fees to line the WBC coffers and his own bank account because there are too many promoters, managers and fighters out there who want to keep Sulaiman happy, so they go along with what is, in essence, extortion."

[Crimson]

The WBC and the WBA should eliminate all interim titles within their organization. It's confusing enough keeping track of who the Champion is for each individual organization. The interim title is just ridiculous. No one can identify who the WBC champions are anymore, probably not even Jose.

In my opinion the WBA and WBC used to be the top 2 world organizations in boxing, followed by the IBF and then way back in 4th place the WBO. With all the interim titles I'd now rate the organizations as:

1# IBF
2# WBO
3# WBC
4# WBA

[Crimson]

Originally Posted by javier_83

My friends, I need your opinion about the new silver belt that will be using the WBC

The WBC is doing all that is possible to eliminate interim titles due to the disorder and little seriousness that those titles themselves lead to.

So what do you think?

Javier, I think the Silver Belt looks cooler than the Gold belt. I hope this means that the WBC is eliminating all the interim titles. There would be some good matchups if all the interim belt holders and regular belt holders fought one another. It would give some credibility back to the WBC. Thanks for asking for my opinion.

[Jersey-Jim]

Oh, okay. I get it now. From a business standpoint, Jose is actually a brilliant marketer. The WBC is easily the most visible of all the sanctioning body organizations in the world today.

He jumped right onto the Super-6 Middleweight Tournament - giving the WBC's full support behind the Showtime project. He's continuously visible with boxing's biggest promoter which has, as a result, given the WBC brand extremely high visibility (and as a result - legitimacy) with fans around the world.

The WBC is probably recognized as (I never thought I'd write this) the most legitimate of all the ranking bodies in the world today.
Of course, the letter Jose wrote to Devon Alexander recently was completely ridiculous. I'm sure he'll get all kinds of flak, and rightfully so, for that one.

I still like the WBO and IBF, though. They are the brands that offer the "little guy" a title shot when the cold WBA and WBC freezes them out.

Actually, the IBF was the first of the alphabet spawn.

And the IBO? Well, if we put our money together - those of us here on this board could probably be fighting for an IBO title within the next 3-months!

[basketcase77]

I personally can't stand all these alphabet organizations, to me the RING champion is the most creditable champion in the world.
I think the WBA and WBC who used to be the top 2 organizations are actually behind the IBF and WBO now.

[jofre]

Silver Belt is taking the place if "Interim" - so basically nothing has changed except the name.

WBC TO LAUNCH WORLD SILVER TITLE BELT

When you read this, you'll laugh!

[Antonin]

Is an "interim" champion the champion until the real champion is chosen? But if it's called an "interim" champion, then that's a contradiction because the champion is supposed to be the one at the top of the pile. If it's "interim" then it can't also be a champion because... [sound of head exploding]

[jofre]

It just boils down to sanctioning fees. They suck the last dollar they can out of every fighter fighting for a bogus belt.

[Cap]

Considering all the money involved, why hasn't some rich Yank like Donald Trump tried pulling together the promoters in North America and the UK and form a governing body that might win the support of HBO and Showtime, etc. I recall John McCain calling for some kind of government body to regulate the sport in the States. Self-interest has always stood in the way before, but maybe we need someone with some muscle to force the issue. After all, who elected Jose Sulaiman and the other gangsters to rule boxing?

Cap

[David Ball]

I've enjoyed Title Bout going back to the board days, but as a boxing fan, particularly of the current scene, I'm just very casual. So there's a lot about the sport and the business I don't understand. But since I'm up in the middle of the night, I'll put this idea down, and then maybe someone with the patience to read it all and more knowledge about boxing can tell me what's wrong with it.

What I wonder is, why don't elite fighters reinvent the wheel, go back to the situation as it was a century ago and take control themselves? If a particular fighter is widely regarded as the best in his weight class, let him claim the championship purely on that basis. If he has the credibility, people will pay to watch him fight and he'll be able to save money by cutting out the middleman and buying his jewelry direct from the dealer, instead of subsidizing a sanctioning organization. If somebody beats him, that fighter will acquire the same credibility.

When you get down to the very heart of the matter, championships are all about what a boxer does in the ring, and the key word is "credibility." If the fighter has achieved that credibility by demonstrating his prowess, why does he need to buy it from somebody else?

John L. Sullivan didn't need no stinkin' sanctioning organizations. He told everybody very loudly that he was the toughest man in the world, offered to lick any SOB in the house and came through on that promise often enough that everyone accepted him as champion. If that was good enough for John L., why wouldn't it work now? Sullivan did fight for title belts, but he didn't pay anybody for the privilege of doing it, and I wouldn't want to be the man to tell him he should do so.

What I'm suggesting is certainly not the perfect solution, the best of all imaginable worlds. Some champions would manipulate things to their own advantage, by defending championships too rarely or too often in meaningless fights against soft opponents, or by defining weight limits for their own convenience. How much worse would that be than the current situation? Again, sometimes there would be no widely recognized single champ, and a number of fighters would claim a title. I ask again, would that be any worse than the current situation? Things like this are exactly the reason controlling organizations were invented, but look at how that has turned out.

If a fighter practiced these abuses too much, he might undermine the very credibility he depended on, but nothing can ever entirely eliminate things of this sort. They have happened throughout boxing history. But they haven't always been the norm, and that's pretty much what has happened today.

Let the elite fighters themselves take control. Because, I've got to say, if we're hoping Donald Trump will step in and provide the sport honest, capable and disinterested leadership, we just might be better giving up entirely.

[jofre]

ERFURT, Germany (AP)—Alexander Povetkin of Russia defeated Ruslan Chagaev by unanimous decision Saturday to claim the vacant WBA heavyweight title.

The title was Wladimir Klitschko’s following the Ukrainian’s victory over David Haye by unanimous decision in Hamburg last month, but was declared vacant when the WBA elevated Klitschko to “super champion” status. AP - Aug 26, 11:10 am EDT 1 of 4 Boxing Gallery Povetkin, the 2004 Olympic heavyweight champion, remains undefeated after 22 fights (15 KOs), and becomes the mandatory challenger for Klitschko.

“I don’t want to think about Klitschko,” said Teddy Atlas, Povetkin’s American trainer. “I want to think about Povetkin and this title … we’ll think about Klitschko some other time.”

Povetkin won on the judges’ cards 116-112, 117-113, 117-113.

Chagaev, of Uzbekistan, held the WBA title from 2007-09. His record fell to 27-2 (17 KOs), with one draw.

“I’m sorry, today was not my day. But that’s boxing, that’s sport,” Chagaev said. “He’s a good boxer, a real world champion now.”

Chagaev, 32, recovered from a poor start to rattle Povetkin in the sixth round, catching him cleanly with left and right hooks to leave the 31-year-old unsteady on his feet.

Atlas called on Povetkin to fight for the honor of his father, who died last year, and the Russian regained the upper hand in the ninth as Chagaev appeared to tire.

“My father always hoped and wanted for me to be a world champion,” Povetkin said.

“It was a very hard fight. It was very hard to fight him. I have a lot of respect for him. He’s a very difficult and patient boxer.”

[Cap]

Did anyone watch this live over the web? I looked around but could nae find it. Guess I'll have to look it up on Youtube a month from now.

Cap