TF2001... Question about fight play by play text

[TLC]

Hello everyone ... I'm a new member and have had my TF 2001
disk since December 12, and can honestly say... I can't get enough... I can't wait until new game comes out.... My question has to do with the action text. I've notice a few times I get this line, "he dosen't want trapped there". This line comes up I guess every fight. As you can see it seems that the words "to be" are missing. Another error I got maybe twice now is something like " he seems to show no signs and has recovered from the knockdown from the last round". This has come up but there was no prior knockdown to either fighter. These I consider minor errors and I can live with them, but I was wondering why the knockdown line comes up. Has anyone else seen these lines?

The play by play in TF2001 is the weakest part of the game, in my opinion. There are many errors, inadequate descriptions of the action, repetitive statements, etc. The PBP in the original Title Fight/APBA Boxing was much better.

I fully expect (and strongly hope) that the PBP in the new game will be much better than both Title Fight games.

[TLC]

Hi there 60'sfan

[TLC]

I agree... the pbp needs inprovement .... I was being nice. the game on the whole is o k but the pbp does repeat alot. I also hope new game's pbp is better...

thanks,
tom c

[Tom Trunzo]

We agree and hope to add numerous comments and conditions to make the game flow better. It is imperative to have the comments reflect the action that is taking place. Real announcers can fill in slow time with discussion of upcoming bouts, controversies in the world of boxing and basically just talk of what is going on in real life, boxing and otherwise. We may attempt to add something like this to the game. Any suggestions and comments from our "board members" is greatly appreciated. We all want to make it the "ultimate boxing game"!

[Cap]

A lot of the babble that goes on these days during a fight broadcast is wasted speech. I much preferred the days when you had one announcer who described the action and didn't just prattle on. The commentary in TBCB is really like a radio broadcast because it has to paint pictures with words. It is an essential part of the sim, one of the two or three most important aspects of the sim.

The game makers should get hold of old audio recordings to see how it was done back in the day.

Cap

[wildhawke11]

Your 100% on the Ball Cap
I recall many years ago before TV came along listening to Ray Robinson, Marciano, and such on our radio.
Thats how it should be.
How excited we used to get glued to our old radio sets.
I am sure Jim and Tom recall the old days.
GOOD TIP CAP
About listening to an old audio tape of a fight.
Hey Cap cant a couple of the old uns do it :-).

[Kevin]

Cap's comments are dead on about most sports these days. I can hardly stand to watch a baseball game anymorre because of the verbal vomit from the McCarvers et al. Collinsworth makes a football game seem like it is twelve quarters long. Call the game, the whole game and only the game.

Baseball for Windows, still my favorite PC baseball game (sorry OOTP lovers), handled commentary the right way.

It had the basic play by play. Then it had optional "color" commentary, in a different color text. You could set the level of color commentary at none at all, limited and full.

I would set the color commentary level at full or limited if I wanted to play a meaningful game between two top teams. But if the game was a mismatch, or didn't have much meaning, I just used the basic play by play.

[Tom Trunzo]

Love the input guys, the option of having limited and full commentary may be something we need to consider. Yes, I do remember the good old days when announcers announced!

[waltwa]

obviously we all want an improved pbp in the game. i want to point out something that i have mentioned to jim in the past but i have not seen anywhere lately. if u go to the best pbp games they do have full and limited pbp and the option may be a good thing but what i think is more important is the ability to see many lines of pbp on the screen as it scrolls. i think it really hurt the game when it went from the old style pbp of seeing maybe 10 lines of pbp to the new style of seeing 1 line. this may not be readily apparent but i have played the game for a long time and when the play by play style changed it really hurt the game in my opinion.

make it a scrolling pbp that keeps lines already read on the screen. make the print smaller so more of it can be kept on the screen. this shows u the progress of the bout. i suggested to jim to take out the ring which really adds nothing to the game so that a larger scrolling area can be visible.

think of a successful game that has only 1 visible line of pbp at a time. i sure can't think of any (football and baseball).

[cubedrum]

I like the ring myself. It gives me a place to display fighter photos while fighting. I use Irfan view v3.75. Just choose "always on top" option and hit alt+shift+s,t,m,c to lose all the toolbars and such. Voila! It would be nice if the game did this with no extra steps for me. Set us up Jim!
Cube

[wildhawke11]

I could be wrong about this, but in a previous version of Title Fight there was a ring, and the fighters moved around the ring.
In Title fight 2001 there is of course only a picture of the ring.
The old school will recall Jim and Co had BIG problems with Title Fight 2001 and to my mind the game was cut short and things were left unfinished.It could be that if the game had been done as required, the pic of the ring was meant to have moving figures in it.
To me anyway, now that would have made more sense.

[Sertorius]

I don't think that PBP that only describes the action is "limited." That's all the gamer really needs. The fuller comments in the current version of TB are distracting and reduce the realism, because they're frequently situationally inappropriate, as well as being repetitive. It seems to me that these problems are almost insurmountable with chatty style announcers. All that really needs to be commented on are things like punches, missed punches, fatigue, cuts, injuries, vulnerability to knockdowns, and so forth. This can be done effectively in a very matter-of-fact way. I mentioned this in another thread, but a game that's worth looking at is World of Boxing by Sports Replay Software. It's definitely inferior to TB in a lot of ways, but I think it gets the play-by-play right.

I have to disagree with Sertorius about the commentary in World of Boxing. It's just too dry and repetitive.

[waltwa]

as far as the ring is concerned if it is space utilized for 2 boxers to move around and has nothing to do with what is going on then it should be gone and the space utilized for something meaningful to the game.

there are 2 issues to the pbp
one is the idea of having more pbp showing on the screen at one time. in the game previous to the current edition it was in smaller but easy to read print that did not require anything to be taken out of the game. i think this is really important and have mentioned it to jim a number of times in the past.

as far as what is in the pbp i agree that there are some unnecessary and foolish comments that should not be in the game. many times in both editions there were slugfests in whiich a comment would be made about how bored the crowd was with the lack of action. this should be eliminated. the pbp should focus only on the action in the bout and information about the abilities and past records of the fighters involved. but it seems that there are standard comments built into the pbp that come up in the course of a bout that have nothing to do with the bout at hand.

lets face it what is truly important in the pbp is a script that tells us what is going on in the bout. if additional pbp can add to that in a meaningful way then by all means add it but if it is just filler wait a while to add it in a future edition if that is what it takes to make it worthwhile