Shameless Plug

ucclark · 08-06-2003, 06:03 PM

I know this belongs in the "replays" forum, but I invite you all to check out my website for my new simulation:

http://lba.bravehost.com

The Linear Boxing Association is made up of the 36 fighters, back to John L Sullivan, who can lay claim to the "linear" championship.

My site includes, rankings, complete fight results, news updates, and more, so check it out!

Mark42661 · 08-06-2003, 08:24 PM

Wow... that's a very nice looking site. I like the design and layout alot. Pretty interesting concept too. I know I'll be following your progress.

Mark

ucclark · 08-06-2003, 08:39 PM

I'm not happy at all with the background image -- the text is too hard to read. I'm going to work on that. The whole site only took an hour or so to design. The menu bar is a cool little element I borrowed from somewhere -- I encourage anyone who wishes to steal it. I can provide the HTML to anyone who is interested. I use that menu bar all the time. Once you do this a few times, it gets fairly easy.

Preliminary round 4 will be up tomorrow. I hope to have the tournament to name the first champion by this weekend.

If I get the heavyweights rolling, I might expand it to other divisions, as well (but that may become too time consuming).

erickdamac · 08-06-2003, 09:42 PM

hey man can i ask you something. i have mixcrosoft front page 2000 and i have a brave host account. my page is done but i dont know how to publish my account.

Unclark i did everything i uploaded my index and the page came out with alot of sqaur boxes can you please tell me how you got your front page thanks so much

ucclark · 08-07-2003, 12:32 AM

I uploaded my pages using Bravehost's Java app (available from the control panel on your account). You simply select your htm files from the directory menu on the left, and the Java app moves them to your account.

If you need to move bmp or xml files, however, you have to use their manual upload feature.

Jim Trunzo · 08-11-2003, 07:26 AM

Excellent work. Very impressive and very nice looking - we'll be linking you, that's for certain.

ucclark · 08-11-2003, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Excellent work. Very impressive and very nice looking - we'll be linking you, that's for certain.

Wow, this is like an audience with the Pope (in boxing-simulation terms, that is). I am honored.

Incidentally, I have completed Preliminnary Round 8, but I delayed posting it due to a resurce conflict (it seems that "Fisher-Price Little People Airport Adventure" is a more vital task for my home computer to perform than updating my website).

I'll post round 8 tonight, round 9 on Tuesday, and then hopefully Round 10 on Wednsesday before jumping into the Tournament.

tgreene1978 · 08-11-2003, 02:48 PM

I like to consider myself a pretty good boxing historian. Ive been thinking about it... how do you figure Shannon Briggs belongs on that site? Maybe I am forgetting or missing something.

ucclark · 08-11-2003, 03:01 PM

Heavyweigh title lineage, 1990's:

Buster Douglas KO Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield KO Buster Douglas
Riddick Bowe UD Evander Holyfield
Holyfield UD Bowe
Michael Moorer UD Holyfield
George Foreman KO Michael Moorer
Shanon Briggs SD George Foreman
Lennox Lewis KO Shannon Briggs

Foreman was stripped of his tow "Sanctioning Body" belts prior to losing to Briggs, but he was still the "Linear Champion".

In fact, if anyone is to be left out, it would be Marvin Hart and Tommy Burns. Hart won the title when Jefferies, the retiring champ, arranged the Hart/Root fight and handed his title to the winner. There wasn't much logic to the choice. Burns won the title from Hart, and lost it Jack Johnson, who then defeated Jefferies (who had un-retired). It could be argued that the "linear" title was vacant from Jefferies retirement until his comeback, altough Burns was an admirable champion who earned the title and took on all comers. Hart, however, was a very questionable "linear champion" (as my simulation has proved).

tgreene1978 · 08-11-2003, 03:10 PM

Holyfield won by MD in second fight with Bowe. Moorer won by MD in first fight with Holyfield.

ucclark · 08-11-2003, 03:24 PM

Well, whatever. I was working from memory. My original point remains unchanged.

To elaborate a bit more on this, I went with the Cyber Boxing Zone's leneal champion list, which is probably pretty close to a consenus among people who care about such things.

However, a good arguement can be made that Hart was never a real champion, getting his shot in a rather arbitrary fashion, and never defnding it successfully. Also, one could argue that Foreman's antics after beating Moorer amounted to an abandoment of the title. He first defended against the obscure Axel Shultz (which prompted the WBA to strip him), narrowly won a decision, and then refused a rematch (which caused the IBF to strip him). He is the only man ever to be stripped of a title both for fighting and for refusing to fight the same man.

After that, he took a year and a half off before fighting the legendary Crawford Grimsley. Now, personally, both taking a year and a healf off AND fighting Crawford Grimsley are both grounds for abandonment. He then slipped past Lou Savarese before dropping a close fight to Briggs.

Of course, if you decide that Foreman abandoned the title, when was it re-established? I see two possibilities:

1) Holyfield re-established it by beating Tyson and Moorer, and them lost it to Lewis

2) Lewis re-established it when he beat Holyfield.

By taking either of these (non-linear, but still arguable) routes, Briggs would be eliminated, and, if you choose option #1, Holyfield has 1 additional legitimate title reign. However, since it's the "Linear Boxing Association" and not the "Guy who most deserved it Boxing Association", Briggs is in.

Just wait until I start on the light-heavyweights. Roy Jones, Jr: Is he a linear light heavyweight champion, or not? (CBZ says no; there is an alternate lineage, however, that would include him).

Cap · 08-11-2003, 04:27 PM

When Jeffries retired, he was the only real sanctioning body around. Everyone in the sport followed his lead, so when he picked Root and Hart and said the winner would earn his title, there wasn't much argument. In fact, the only real dissenters were Gus Ruhlin (who Jeff hated intensely) and Phila. Jack O'Brien (who claimed the title based on his defeat of Bob Fitzsimmons in 1905). Hardly anyone took them seriously, until a foreigner who stood just 5'7" and weighed only 175 took the title from Hart.

Jeffries denounced the new champion as a money-grubbing midget, and the cartoons in the sports pages went right along with the smear. Tommy Burns was derided by the American yellow press from coast to coast, even after decisively whipping Jack O'Brien. Then they shipped in an undefeated Australian slugger, the Narabri Giant, Bill Squires, and set him up as the certain conqueror of Burns. They ran photos of the mighty Aussie battler, emphasizing his enormous fists. They published cartoons of Squires pummeling "Tiny Tahmmy". The odds went as high as 50 to 1 against the little Canuck.

Burns quietly placed large wagers on himself, supremely confident in his ability to beat any man on earth. Hell! If he could've gotten Jeffries himself to sign a contract, he would've done it with a wolfish grin on his face. Burns feared no man.

Well folks, we all know what happened that sunny 4th of July day in Colma, California.....Jim Jeffries saw it first hand.

Cap

ucclark · 08-11-2003, 05:03 PM

Man, I was waiting for a Tommy Burns celebration. What took you so long, Cap?

Teraxx · 08-11-2003, 08:13 PM

Ummmm didn't Burnsy get reduced to human punching bag status by Jack Johnson Down Under?

ucclark · 08-11-2003, 09:15 PM

Teraxx, now you done it. Get ready to learn more about Tommy Burns than you ever thought possible.

BTW, more to the point of the original topic, LBA Round 8 is now online! http://lba.bravehost.com

wildhawke11 · 08-11-2003, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Teraxx
Ummmm didn't Burnsy get reduced to human punching bag status by Jack Johnson Down Under?

Best Pack your bags and leave before Cap comes looking for you with a Shotgun in his hands. LOL

To be serious Teraxx
If you look at Burns not just as a heavyweight but as P 4 P fighter he was a great little fighter.
The real problem is no one hardly ever checks out who Tommy fought and beat,
Mention the name Tommy Burns to even the average boxing fan and they will think only the name Jack Johnson.

Hence why a great little fighter like Tommy is so underrated
Cheers Teraxx

Cap · 08-11-2003, 11:54 PM

Burns was still on his feet when the cops jumped in at the urging of one of Johnson's cronies by the name of Unholz. Stanley Ketchel couldn't say the same when he fought Jack Johnson. Jim Jeffries never laid a glove on Ol' Jack in all of 15 rounds and he nearly ended up in the cheap seats.

Tommy defended his title a total of 12 times more than any champ until Joe Louis.

'nuff said, compadres!

Cap

Teraxx · 08-12-2003, 02:08 AM

Good points, but I've read the sentence "Burns was unrecognizable"-- that can't be good, on his feet or not...

dempsonny · 08-12-2003, 10:04 AM

Hey don't knock Marvin Hart, he beat Jack Johnson in his prime by decision in 20 rounds.

dempsonny · 08-12-2003, 10:05 AM

Not to mention Marvin Hart was blind in one eye.

08-06-2003, 06:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 221	Shameless Plug I know this belongs in the "replays" forum, but I invite you all to check out my website for my new simulation: http://lba.bravehost.com The Linear Boxing Association is made up of the 36 fighters, back to John L Sullivan, who can lay claim to the "linear" championship. My site includes, rankings, complete fight results, news updates, and more, so check it out! __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

08-06-2003, 08:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 221	I'm not happy at all with the background image -- the text is too hard to read. I'm going to work on that. The whole site only took an hour or so to design. The menu bar is a cool little element I borrowed from somewhere -- I encourage anyone who wishes to steal it. I can provide the HTML to anyone who is interested. I use that menu bar all the time. Once you do this a few times, it gets fairly easy. Preliminary round 4 will be up tomorrow. I hope to have the tournament to name the first champion by this weekend. If I get the heavyweights rolling, I might expand it to other divisions, as well (but that may become too time consuming). __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

08-07-2003, 12:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 221	I uploaded my pages using Bravehost's Java app (available from the control panel on your account). You simply select your htm files from the directory menu on the left, and the Java app moves them to your account. If you need to move bmp or xml files, however, you have to use their manual upload feature. __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

08-11-2003, 03:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 221	Heavyweigh title lineage, 1990's: Buster Douglas KO Mike Tyson Evander Holyfield KO Buster Douglas Riddick Bowe UD Evander Holyfield Holyfield UD Bowe Michael Moorer UD Holyfield George Foreman KO Michael Moorer Shanon Briggs SD George Foreman Lennox Lewis KO Shannon Briggs Foreman was stripped of his tow "Sanctioning Body" belts prior to losing to Briggs, but he was still the "Linear Champion". In fact, if anyone is to be left out, it would be Marvin Hart and Tommy Burns. Hart won the title when Jefferies, the retiring champ, arranged the Hart/Root fight and handed his title to the winner. There wasn't much logic to the choice. Burns won the title from Hart, and lost it Jack Johnson, who then defeated Jefferies (who had un-retired). It could be argued that the "linear" title was vacant from Jefferies retirement until his comeback, altough Burns was an admirable champion who earned the title and took on all comers. Hart, however, was a very questionable "linear champion" (as my simulation has proved). __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

08-11-2003, 03:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 221	Well, whatever. I was working from memory. My original point remains unchanged. To elaborate a bit more on this, I went with the Cyber Boxing Zone's leneal champion list, which is probably pretty close to a consenus among people who care about such things. However, a good arguement can be made that Hart was never a real champion, getting his shot in a rather arbitrary fashion, and never defnding it successfully. Also, one could argue that Foreman's antics after beating Moorer amounted to an abandoment of the title. He first defended against the obscure Axel Shultz (which prompted the WBA to strip him), narrowly won a decision, and then refused a rematch (which caused the IBF to strip him). He is the only man ever to be stripped of a title both for fighting and for refusing to fight the same man. After that, he took a year and a half off before fighting the legendary Crawford Grimsley. Now, personally, both taking a year and a healf off AND fighting Crawford Grimsley are both grounds for abandonment. He then slipped past Lou Savarese before dropping a close fight to Briggs. Of course, if you decide that Foreman abandoned the title, when was it re-established? I see two possibilities: 1) Holyfield re-established it by beating Tyson and Moorer, and them lost it to Lewis 2) Lewis re-established it when he beat Holyfield. By taking either of these (non-linear, but still arguable) routes, Briggs would be eliminated, and, if you choose option #1, Holyfield has 1 additional legitimate title reign. However, since it's the "Linear Boxing Association" and not the "Guy who most deserved it Boxing Association", Briggs is in. Just wait until I start on the light-heavyweights. Roy Jones, Jr: Is he a linear light heavyweight champion, or not? (CBZ says no; there is an alternate lineage, however, that would include him). __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

08-06-2003, 08:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mark42661 All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 550	Wow... that's a very nice looking site. I like the design and layout alot. Pretty interesting concept too. I know I'll be following your progress. Mark

08-06-2003, 09:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
erickdamac All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,592	hey man can i ask you something. i have mixcrosoft front page 2000 and i have a brave host account. my page is done but i dont know how to publish my account. Unclark i did everything i uploaded my index and the page came out with alot of sqaur boxes can you please tell me how you got your front page thanks so much

08-11-2003, 07:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
Jim Trunzo OOTP Developments Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Leechburg, PA Posts: 740	Excellent work. Very impressive and very nice looking - we'll be linking you, that's for certain.

08-11-2003, 02:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
tgreene1978 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ephrata. WA Posts: 27	I like to consider myself a pretty good boxing historian. Ive been thinking about it... how do you figure Shannon Briggs belongs on that site? Maybe I am forgetting or missing something.

08-11-2003, 03:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
tgreene1978 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ephrata. WA Posts: 27	Holyfield won by MD in second fight with Bowe. Moorer won by MD in first fight with Holyfield.

08-11-2003, 04:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	When Jeffries retired, he was the only real sanctioning body around. Everyone in the sport followed his lead, so when he picked Root and Hart and said the winner would earn his title, there wasn't much argument. In fact, the only real dissenters were Gus Ruhlin (who Jeff hated intensely) and Phila. Jack O'Brien (who claimed the title based on his defeat of Bob Fitzsimmons in 1905). Hardly anyone took them seriously, until a foreigner who stood just 5'7" and weighed only 175 took the title from Hart. Jeffries denounced the new champion as a money-grubbing midget, and the cartoons in the sports pages went right along with the smear. Tommy Burns was derided by the American yellow press from coast to coast, even after decisively whipping Jack O'Brien. Then they shipped in an undefeated Australian slugger, the Narabri Giant, Bill Squires, and set him up as the certain conqueror of Burns. They ran photos of the mighty Aussie battler, emphasizing his enormous fists. They published cartoons of Squires pummeling "Tiny Tahmmy". The odds went as high as 50 to 1 against the little Canuck. Burns quietly placed large wagers on himself, supremely confident in his ability to beat any man on earth. Hell! If he could've gotten Jeffries himself to sign a contract, he would've done it with a wolfish grin on his face. Burns feared no man. Well folks, we all know what happened that sunny 4th of July day in Colma, California.....Jim Jeffries saw it first hand. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

08-11-2003, 05:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 221	Man, I was waiting for a Tommy Burns celebration. What took you so long, Cap? __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

08-11-2003, 08:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
Teraxx Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 107	Ummmm didn't Burnsy get reduced to human punching bag status by Jack Johnson Down Under?

08-11-2003, 09:15 PM	#15 (permalink)
ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 221	Teraxx, now you done it. Get ready to learn more about Tommy Burns than you ever thought possible. BTW, more to the point of the original topic, LBA Round 8 is now online! http://lba.bravehost.com __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

08-11-2003, 11:54 PM	#17 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	Burns was still on his feet when the cops jumped in at the urging of one of Johnson's cronies by the name of Unholz. Stanley Ketchel couldn't say the same when he fought Jack Johnson. Jim Jeffries never laid a glove on Ol' Jack in all of 15 rounds and he nearly ended up in the cheap seats. Tommy defended his title a total of 12 times more than any champ until Joe Louis. 'nuff said, compadres! Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

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08-12-2003, 02:08 AM	#18 (permalink)
Teraxx Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 107	Good points, but I've read the sentence "Burns was unrecognizable"-- that can't be good, on his feet or not...

08-12-2003, 10:04 AM	#19 (permalink)
dempsonny Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: long island, n.y. Posts: 321	Hey don't knock Marvin Hart, he beat Jack Johnson in his prime by decision in 20 rounds. __________________ A house without a dog is not a home.

08-12-2003, 10:05 AM	#20 (permalink)
dempsonny Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: long island, n.y. Posts: 321	Not to mention Marvin Hart was blind in one eye. __________________ A house without a dog is not a home.