Rating Project 1960-62

[djday45]

Hi guys,
As I mentioned in a thread before I received as an Xmas present the 1960-62 issues of boxing illustrated.

To give myself some structure to the fighters I add to the game, and also to give other people an insight and help into running a universe during this tme period I thought I would start a project.

The aim is to add any fighter into the game who is rated either by the National Boxing Association or later by Boxing Illustrated themselves (in 1960 they only carry NBA ratings later they carry both).
Also to list the ratings month by month to help anyone running this time period of boxing history.
I will also rate other unranked fighters if an issue holds some good info on that fighter.

To start us off below are the ratings published in the Jan 1960 issue (for the period ending October 30, 1959).

All fighters currently not in the game in any division will be listed in capitals (I will then rate them in a following post).
Note some fighters are ranke din different divisons than you find them in the game, in this case the game is not incorrect they were just multiple division fighters.

Heavyweight
Champion - Ingemar Johansson
1. Floyd Patterson
2. Zora Folley
3. Sonny Liston
4. Eddie Machen
5. Henry Cooper
6. Roy Harris
7. Charlie Powell
8. Billy Hunter
9. Alex Miteff
10. Joe Erskine

Light Heavyweight
Champion - Archie Moore
1. Harold Johnson
2. Eric Schoeppner
3. Jesse Bowdry
4. Yvon Durelle
5. VON CLAY
6. Sixto Rodriguez
7. Sonny Ray
8. Mike Holt
9. Bobo Olson
10. Chic Calderwood

Middleweight
Champion - Gene Fullmer
1. Spider Webb
2. Ray Robinson
3. Gustav Scholtz
4. Carmen Basilio
5. Dick Tiger
6. Joey Giardello
7. Joey Giambra
8. Holly Mimms
9. Ace Armstrong
10. Paul Pender

Welterweight
Champion - Don Jordan
1. Charles Scott
2. Sugar Hart
3. Luis Rodriguez
4. Florentino Fernandez
5. Rudell Stitch
6. Ralph Dupas
7. Denny Moyer
8. Gaspar Ortega
9. Duillio Loi
10. Kenny Lane

Lightweight
Champion - Joe Brown
1. Carlos Ortiz
2. Paolo Rosi
3. Battling Torres
4. Dave Charnley
5. Len Matthews
6. Johnny Gonsalves
7. Johnny Busso
8. Paulie Armstead
9. ALFREDO URBINO
10. Mauro Vasquez

Featherweight
Champion - Davey Moore
1. Harold Gomes
2. Paul Jorgenssen
3. Hogan Bassey
4. RICARDO GONZALES
5. Gracieux Lamperti
6. SERGIO CAPRARI
7. Ike Chestnut
8. Rafiu King
9. Flash Elorde
10. Ricardo Moreno

Bantamweight
Champion - Jose Beccera
1. Alphonse Halimi
2. Piero Rollo
3. Leo Espinosa
4. Danny Kidd
5. Joe Medel
6. Freddie Gilroy
7. Jose Lopez
8. HERMAN VASQUEZ
9. Eder Jofre
10. Alberto Ibarra

Flyweight
Champion - Pascual Perez
1. Sadao Yoito
2. Pone Kingpetch
3. Ramon Arias
4. Ramon Calatayud
5. Risto Luukkonen
6. Johnny Caldwell
7. KENJI YONEKURA
8. Young Martin
9. Larry Pineda
10. HIRAM BACALLAO


There you go, seven fighters missing, mostly from the lower weight classes, not bad at all.
I will post them as soon as I can realistically rate and playtest them.

Hope the above is helpful

rgds
Dean

[vistaman44]

Great project idea, Dean. Can't wait to see your ratings. The developers appear to have done a really good job of including the top fighters for that time period, or at least from 1960.

What you're doing is what I did for my 1940s universe, only I used old Ring record books and have a great many more fighters to add. Keep up the good work!

[swampdragon]

When you think about it, that's an awfully impressive job the game has done in including fighters from the time period. 7 out of 80 missing, and only 2 out of 50 from Lightweight and above.

[djday45]

Here is Von Clay the light heavy contender of the early 60's

I have playtested him extensively and am very happy with the results. I have given him a rating for both the Light Heavy and Heavy divisions as he had many fights against heavies such as London, Lavorante, Hunter, Martin and Mildenberger.
He comes out rated as a 4for Light Heavy and 2 for Heavy.

Von Clay
Light Heavy
Career 1957-68
USA

CFB/S 8/9
HP 5
CKD 3
CKO 5
REC 3
CUTS 1
AP 3
KI 7
AGG 8
END 8
DEF +2
FS 2
FR 2
FI 2
FO 1
CU 1
KO 3
PL 36
CP 34
PM 65
CL 72
STYLE - SLUGGER
FOULS - SELDOM
DP 2
COND 3
INT 6
PROF 10
JAB 13.5/2.75
HOOK 12.5/ 3.75
CROSS 27.75/ 6
COMB 9.5/ 3.25
UPP 16/5


Von Clay
Heavy
Career 1961-68
USA

CFB/S 7/8
HP 4
CKD 4
CKO 5
REC 4
CUTS 1
AP 3
KI 7
AGG 8
END 8
DEF +2
FS 2
FR 2
FI 2
FO 1
CU 1
KO 3
PL 34
CP 34
PM 65
CL 72
STYLE - SLUGGER
FOULS - SELDOM
DP 2
COND 4
INT 6
PROF 10
JAB 13.5/2.75
HOOK 12.5/ 3.75
CROSS 27.75/ 6
COMB 9.5/ 3.25
UPP 16/5



rgds
Dean

[vistaman44]

Thanks, Dean. Just added Clay to my lightheavies. Appreciate your efforts.

[Rasmuth]

very nice indeed....thanks!

[djday45]

Thks for the comments guys, will continue with the project at pace.

On further inspection I have found both Gonzalez and Urbina were both in the game (making the game look even more complete in this era).

So I have moved on to Sergio Caprari.


Sergio Caprari
Overall Rating 4
Featherweight
Italian
Career 1952-1961
Born 1932

CFB/S 8/9
HP 3
KD 2
KO 3
REC 2
CUTS 1
AP 3
KI 6
AGG 6
END 8
DEF 0
FS 2
FR 2
FI 1
FO 2
CU 2
KO 1
DP 2
COND 2
INT 6
STYLE - BOXER
FOUL - SELDOM
PL 38
CP 38
PM 64
CL 70
JAB 24/3
HOOK 20.25/1.5
CROSS 18.5/2.5
COMB 13/1
UPP 14.75/1.5


Rgds
Dean

[djday45]

Here is Bobby Neill the British Featherweight champ of the late 1950's.


Bobby Neill
Featherweight
United Kingdom
Career 1955-1960
Overall Rating 3

CFB/S 8/9
HP 8
KD 4
KO 5
REC 2
CUT 1
AP 5
KI 9
AGG 8
END 7
DEF +4
FS 1
FR 3
DP 4
COND 2
INT 5
FI 2
FO 1
CU 1
KO 3
PL 36
CP 32
PM 65
CL 72
STYLE - SLUGGER
FOULS - SELDOM
Jab 13.75/5.5
Hook 14.75/5.5
Cross 20.5/8.75
Comb 11.25/4.5
Upp 11/4.5

Rgds
Dean

[djday45]

Hi Guys,
I cannot find any info even at Boxrec on Hermen Vasquez.
Any help would be much appreciated.

rgds
Dean

[vistaman44]

That's weird, Dean. Did several different kinds of searches and could only find a Hector Vasquez at welterweight during that time period. Will try my Ring record books tonight and see if they rated any such person.

A similar thing happened to me in my 1940s research. Ring had a guy named Young Giant rated at bantamweight one year, but no such person was in the BoxRec database. As I researched who fought whom in rating other fighters to add to the game for my replay, I stumbled on someone named Little Giant that one of them had faced --- right weight and time period. Clicked on his link and found the guy was 0-6 career, but all his opponents were at least credible contenders of the period. Did a BoxRec search with just the last name and found he was the only "Giant" with a link.

Why would Ring rank a guy who never won a fight? Hard to say, 60 years later ... but then why some of the guys ranked by WBC, etc., get in is beyond me, too.

Will keep looking for your mystery man. I'm sure he will turn up!
BTW

[djday45]

Thks Mark, much appreciated.

Here is Hiram Bacallao Cuban flyweight champ and contender of late 50's and early 60's.


Hiram Bacallao
Flyweight
Cuba
Career 1957-1964
Born 1938
Overall Rating 7

CFB/S 8/9
HP 4
KD 3
KO 4
REC 3
Cuts 1
AP 2
KI 7
AGG 7
END 8
DEF -2
FS 1
FR 2
DP 2
COND 2
INT 6
FI 2
FO 2
CU 2
KO 2
STYLE - BOXER
FOUL - SELDOM
PL 40
CP 40
PM 63
CL 71
JAB 20.25/3.75
HOOK 20.25/3
CROSS 14.75/1.75
COMB 20.25/3.75
UPP 14/1.75

Rgds
Dean

[swampdragon]

I was able to find Bernabe (Baby) Vasquez who was active at the time and good enough to be ranked, but I don't think he was ever a bantamweight.

[vistaman44]

Saw him, too, dragon. His opponents about that time were lightweights and feathers, so I doubt it. He and the welter I mentioned are the only ones even close in BoxRec. Hmmmmmmm ...

[vistaman44]

Bantamweight
Champion - Jose Beccera
1. Alphonse Halimi
2. Piero Rollo
3. Leo Espinosa
4. Danny Kidd
5. Joe Medel
6. Freddie Gilroy
7. Jose Lopez
8. HERMAN VASQUEZ
9. Eder Jofre
10. Alberto Ibarra

Dean;

Ring Record Book lists the magazine's composite rankings for the year 1960 as:
Champion - title vacant.
1. Eder Jofre
2. Alphonse Halimi
3. Piero Rollo
4. Freddie Gilroy
5. Kenji Yonekura
6. Joe Medel
7. Eloy Sanchez
8. Ignacio Pena
9. Jose Lopez
10. Leo Espinosa

For 1959, the ratings were:
Champion: Joe Becerra
1. Alphonse Halimi
2. Freddie Gilroy
3. Eder Jofre
4. Piero Rollo
5. Danny Kid
6. Leo Espinosa
7. Jose Lopez
8. Kenji Yonekura
9. Ernesto Miranda
10. Herman Marques

I checked flyweight and featherweight for the two years as well, and found no Vasquez in any of those, either.

FWIW, I think Marques may be your guy and the name was just listed wrong. He was 20-10-1, 6 KOs, from the US, 1957-62. Seems to fill the bill, I think. You might want to compare issues of your magazines and see if it gets changed in a few months ...

[djday45]

Thanks guys,
It does seem the most logical explanation. He is rated by the game at bantam so I think I will stop the search there.

rgds
Dean

[djday45]

Here is the last unrated guy from Jan 1960.

Kenji Yonekura
Flyweight/Bantamweight
Japan
Career 1958-1962
Born 1934
Overall Rating 9

CFB/S 10/10
HP 1
KD 1
KO 1
REC 1
CUTS 1
AP 2
KI 5
AGG 6
END 9
DEF -2
FS 2
FR 2
DP 1
COND 2
INT 7
FI 2
FO 3
CU 2
KO 0
PL 40
CP 42
PM 61
CL 68
JAB 28
HOOK 20.25
CROSS 16.75
COMB 20.25
UPP 14.75


I will now go foward to the FEB 1960 Issue.

rgds
Dean

[djday45]

Here are the FEB 1960 Ratings, new fighters rated are in capitals.

I will rate any that are missing in the game.

Previous months rating in brackets.

Heavyweight
Champion - Ingemar Johansson
1. Floyd Patterson
2. Zora Folley
3. Sonny Liston
4. Eddie Machen
5. Henry Cooper
6. Roy Harris
7. Billy Hunter
8. Alex Miteff
9. CLEVELAND WILLIAMS
10. MIKE DE JOHN

Light Heavyweight
Champion - Archie Moore
1. Harold Johnson
2. Eric Schoeppner
3. Jesse Bowdry
4. Sonny Ray
5. Mike Holt
6. Sixto Rodriguez
7. Von Clay
8. Bobo Olson
9. Chic Calderwood
10. JOHNNY HALAFIHI

Middleweight
Champion - Gene Fullmer
1. Spider Webb
2. Ray Robinson
3. Gustav Scholtz
4. Carmen Basilio
5. Dick Tiger
6. Joey Giardello
7. RUDY ELLIS
8. Ace Armstrong
9. Paul Pender
10. HENRY HANK

Welterweight
Champion - Don Jordan
1. Charles Scott
2. Luis Rodriguez
3. Sugar Hart
4. Rudell Stitch
5. Florentino Fernandez
6. Gaspar Ortega
7. Denny Moyer
8. RALPH DUPAS
9. Duillio Loi
10. ROCKY KALINGO

Lightweight
Champion - Joe Brown
1. Carlos Ortiz
2. Kenny Lane
3. Paolo Rosi
4. Dave Charnley
5. Battling Torres
6. WILLIE TOWELL
7. Len Matthews
8. Johnny Busso
9. Paulie Armstead
10. Afredo Urbino

Featherweight
Champion - Davey Moore
1. Harold Gomes
2. Paul Jorgenssen
3. Hogan Kid Bassey
4. Ricardo Gonzales
5. Gracieux Lamperti
6. Sergio Caprari
7. Ike Chestnut
8. Flash Elorde
9. Rafiu King
10. Ricardo Moreno

Bantamweight
Champion - Jose Beccera
1. Alphonse Halimi
2. Freddie Gilroy
3. Piero Rollo
4. Danny Kidd
5. Joe Medel
6. Leo Espinosa
7. Jose Lopez
8. Eder Jofre
9. Herman Vasquez (Mag still has him listed!)
10. EDWIN SYKES

Flyweight
Champion - Pascual Perez
1. Sadao Yoito
2. Pone Kingpetch
3. Ramon Calatayud
4. Larry Pineda
5. Risto Luukkonen
6. Ramon Arial
7. Johnny Caldwell
8. Young Martin
9. Hiram Becallao
10. ATSUTO FUKUMOTO

10 new fighters ranked, but I am pretty sure the game will have most of the guys. I will check and then post back with who is missing (if any).

rgds
Dean

[djday45]

Yep, the game had everyone apart from three.

Rudy Ellis, Edwin Sykes and Atsuto Fukomoto.
Will rate these guys asap.

rgds
Dean

[djday45]

Here is Rudy Ellis minor middleweight contender of the early 60's.


Rudy Ellis
Middleweight USA
Overall Rating 2
Career 1958-61

CFB/S 8/6
HP 4
KD 5
KO 5
REC 3
CUTS 1
AP 3
KI 7
AGG 8
END 8
DEF +2
FS 4
FR 2
DP 1
COND 3
INT 5
FI 2
FO 2
CU 1
KO 2
STYLE - BOXER
FOUL - SELDOM
PL 38
CP 40
PM 63
CL 68
JAB 20.25/3
HOOK 20.25/0
CROSS 24/2.75
COMB 20.25/2.75
UPP 6.75/0


Rgds
Dean

[djday45]

Here is Edwin Sykes Panamanian Bantamweight champ and contender from the early 60's.


Edwin Sykes
Bantamweight
Panama
Overall Rating 5
Career 1956-63

CFB/S 7/7
HP 5
KD 3
KO 3
REC 3
CUTS 2
AP 2
KI 8
AGG 7
END 7
DEF 0
FS 2
FR 2
DP 2
COND 2
INT 6
FI 2
FO 2
CU 1
KO 1
STYLE - BOXER
FOULS - SELDOM
PL 36
CP 36
PM 64
CL 72
JAB 26/2.75
HOOK 15.25/0
CROSS 13/0
COMBINATION 27.25/2.25
UPP 13/0

RGDS
Dean