Tyson vs Larry Holmes

[jbmagic]

i dont have the game yet....

but can some one that has the game do tyson in his prime years vs Larry Holmes in his prime year...who wins in 10 bouts?

thanks

[wildhawke11]

Larry Holmes vs Mike Tyson - Summary over 100 fights

Prefight Analysis
Holmes has a Control Factor of 11 vs a Boxer, and a Control Factor of 12 vs a Slugger.
Condition: Top Condition
Career Stage: Prime
Tyson, a Slugger, has a Control Factor of 8 vs a Boxer, and a Control Factor of 10 vs a Slugger.
Condition: Top Condition
Career Stage: Prime

This is not a title bout, Three KD Rule is in effect, Save by the bell only in last round, referee or doctor can stop the fight, mandatory 8 count is not in effect, fight stopped due to an accidental head butt: Tech. Draw through 4/Scorecard after 4, game will check for injuries, game will adjust ratings for weight class, use judges bias is set to 'none', Scoring System is 10 Point
Larry Holmes - Career Stage: Prime - Conditioning: Conduct Conditioning Check - Trainer: <Generic Offense> - Cutman: <Generic Cut Man>
Mike Tyson - Career Stage: Prime - Conditioning: Conduct Conditioning Check - Trainer: <Generic Offense> - Cutman: <Generic Cut Man>

Bout Results Repeats
Larry Holmes vs Mike Tyson 78-21-1 100

Holmes won 78.00% of the matches.
Average rounds for wins: 10.38
Decisions: 21
Unanimous Decisions: 20
Majority Decisions: 1
Stoppages: 57
Knockouts: 11
Technical Knockouts: 46
Referee's Decision: 23
Due to Swelling: 14
Due to Cuts: 2
Due to Disqualification: 1
Due to 3 Knockdowns: 6


Tyson won 21.00% of the matches.
Average rounds for wins: 8.67
Decisions: 3
Unanimous Decisions: 2
Majority Decisions: 1
Stoppages: 18
Knockouts: 6
Technical Knockouts: 12
Referee's Decision: 8
Due to Swelling: 2
Due to Cuts: 2
1.00% of the matches have been draws.
Average number of rounds: 10.07

[jbmagic]

thank you so much..larry holmes was a favorite of mine in the 80's for heavy weight///

[PittPanther]

Danny--

Did you use the current Tyson?

[wildhawke11]

Panther

No i used the retired one, but with the original ratings

I myself for my game will be giving the young prime Tyson better ratings.
For me anyway he was a lot better in his young years then he is now given credit for.

At his peak Tyson was the most devastating 3 round fighter ever in the Heavyweight division, and for 5 rounds at least would have been a danger to any or most of the all time greats.
To beat the young Tyson you would have needed to back him up and about one of the only fighters i can see doing that is Sonny Liston with that great powerful jab

Louis had a very accurate jab but i don't feel it was powerful enough to back the young Tyson up
I am not saying Tyson would have beat Louis its a maybe, but even Louis himself admitted he had one big weakness that not many knew about, he never liked an opponent who pressured him.

In all honesty Louis never had a dangerous killer like the young Tyson in front of him. I love Joe Louis but i have to be honest in my feelings my friend

Some say Tyson could not take a real hard punch there 100% wrong

Think the Lewis fight the punches a shot Tyson was hit with, or that once in a lifetime perfect punch that Buster Douglas threw. against a less then peak Tyson

Them punches would have put Dempsey or Marciano down.
Tyson still was not unconscious and still tried to regain his feet he was pretty tough take it from me.

I think what really annoys boxing lovers with Mike Tyson is the fact he promised so much then wasted it, and we will never forgive him for that.
I mean right now, he is a shot fighter, but still after all this time his name only has to be mentioned and we all look up still.

They say he made his name of bums no worse then Louis Ali Dempsey or any other fighter early opponents.

By the time he moved up to take on even Douglas and Tucker the bobbing weaving hungry Tyson was a thing of the past. he had found other pleasures in life besides fighting and it all went to his head.
Don't i ramble on my friend but i love the Fight Game.
Danny

[LeeSkye]

I only wonder how things would have turned out if Tyson's trainer and mentor Cus Damato had not died. Once that happened the vultures of boxing moved in for the kill and made lots of money but there was no one to guide Tyson the way Damato did. I can remember a couple of fights where Tyson was almost like a limbo dancer, he got so low to avoid the blows it was unbelievable! He still has the punch but, like in the Lewis fight, now he tries to take 50 to the head to get 1 of his own in. I don't care how tough you are-ain't no one can win that way! Good defence, swift hands and a devastating punch second to none made the young Damato trained Tyson a formidable foe for anyone past and present.

["IRON" DD]

I totally agree. I think people forget how goood tyson was. In his younger days he was the most fearsome fighter I have ever seen. I wish Cus hadn't died. It makes me wonder what the division would be like now.

[darthpb]

I totally disagree...people have forgot how good Tyson was? Why do you think we still care about him, it certainly isn't based on the Tyson of the past 10 years...He still makes BIG cash...all based on the past. I'm thinking you don't realize how good Holmes was...Probably the most underrated, LEGITIMATE Hvy champ ever...

[wildhawke11]

Originally posted by darthpb
I totally disagree...people have forgot how good Tyson was? Why do you think we still care about him, it certainly isn't based on the Tyson of the past 10 years...He still makes BIG cash...all based on the past. I'm thinking you don't realize how good Holmes was...Probably the most underrated, LEGITIMATE Hvy champ ever...

Darth

With all respect meant i don't understand your remarks in regard to Larry Holmes
No one here has said anything bad about him
So what makes you think we underrate Holmes.
All we are saying is that Tyson at his peak was a force to be reckoned with, are you disagreeing with our views on that.

My own personal opinion is that Tyson v Holmes both at peak
would be a lot closer then the 72 wins out of a 100 fights which using the pre-set ratings that comes with the game gives Holmes so many wins over Tyson both at peak.

People keep saying that when Tyson stepped up a class he got disheartened if things did not go his way. Yes, on that i will agree.

But we are talking the young Tyson who Gus D'Amato had wisely used Tyson's ruthlessness and killer instincts and burning hatred that he had inside him ,where it should be used correctly, and of course that is, in a boxing ring.

The only way i feel to have kept Tyson on track would have been a guy he had full respect for. The way to do that i feel would have
been to never criticise him in front of others because all that would do is get his back up and he would not respond. No young man likes to be made a fool of or disrespected in front of an audience.

The way to handle someone like Mike is to get him alone tell him if he fully commits himself to training and conditioning himself he could turn out to be the greatest heavyweight the world has ever seen.

Then explain to him but to achieve this once in the gym you are the boss and will stand no nonsense of any sort.
But then smile at Tyson and let him know that outside the gym you know of course he could take your head off if he wished.

The point i am trying to make is the fighter your training has to have full respect for you. or its a no win situation for you both.

[darthpb]

wildhawke11,

Dude, my comments were more directed towards my frustration at Tyson and what he did to himself than anything else.
I didn't mean "you" underrate Holmes meaning the posts here -- I actually think we're all pretty knowledgeable and polite here -- I mean in general...Tyson was a beast, the ultimate fighting machine, no question about it but I'm 38 and I watched Holmes's career and it was only afterwards that I realized what a "pro" he was. He was never loved or feared yet all he did was win. Tyson is STILL a draw yet he hasn't won a big fight in what, 10 years? I like Tyson, maybe I came off wrong in that but I do; however, what we've seen now makes me believe Holmes would have beaten him, Ali would have killed him, and his place in history is tarnished now that we have seen how to beat him. In Tyson's first few years I never thought that. I thought he was the most devastating fighter I had ever seen; however, he has been exposed as a bully, through and through. All I really want is a little "cred" for Holmes in the mainstream...that's all I meant...

[dempsonny]

darthpb,
OK someone started me up on my #1 over rated fighter of all time, the Easton Assassin Larry Holmes. All he did was win except when he lost and they gave him the fight ala Williams and Witherspoon. He was also responsible for making names out of nobodies like Renaldo "Mr" Snipes who dropped Holmes and had him on queer street but couldn't finish him because he just wasn't good enough. He was outboxed by a frightened Gerry Cooney who for some reason didn't want to throw his left hook and finally got hit by Holmes, circled the ring running away from him and dropped to the mat.
Holmes also ducked Coetzee, Page, Dokes, and Tate. I don't think the result of his fight with Tyson would of had much of a different result had Holmes been in his prime either.
Some of my Holmes ratings are;
CF B/S 10/10
HP 7
KDR 3
REC 1
KOR 2
TKO 2
CUT 1
PL 43
CP 44


Gus

[cubedrum]

The left hook is most often thrown to counter a jab. Holmes' jab was legend. Cooney just didn't have the hand speed to utilize the hook effectively. Cooney always had trouble with movers. Come to think of it slow footed sluggers also gave him trouble. The knockout by Foreman was almost like a slow motion replay as it happened. Spinks gave up something like 40 pounds to Cooney and still had the power to destroy him inside of 5 rounds. Cooney was just overmatched, not scared. Holmes should be a top 10 heavy. Maybe he didn't fight Page but Page was stinking up the ring against fighters Holmes would have breezed against. Page had prime losses to Berbick, Witherspoon and <choke> David Bey. Coetzee? Seriously? Isn't he from Sloth Africa? Dokes would have given him a good fight, but the man wouldn't stay active enough to merit a shot at Holmes. He wins a cut shortened decision against Cobb for a paper title, then goes away for over 2 years. The only guy ducking Dokes was Dokes. And finally Tate wouldn't have lasted through even 1 of those overhand rights. I have a 23 year old Titlebout card of Tate and he's rated 10 overall!!! Used to occasionally beat the likes of Ali and Frazier with that card. Holmes gets a bad rap but I can still remember that magnificent jab thrown with a snarl nastier than Tyson. Holmes had heart too, getting off the canvas several times to stop world class opposition.

Cube

[Boxingnut]

Dempsonny

As I stated in an earlier post Holmes did NOT duck Coetzee. He signed to fight him but the fight was scrapped because the rookie promoters could not up with the money guarantees. The fight was scheduled for June 1984 and I have magazine pictures of Holmes and Coetzee posing together with those oversize giant gloves once so beloved of Don King promotions (although King had nothing to do with the promotion)
Saying Holmes ducked Coetzee is like saying Dempsey ducked Wills. Unfair and untrue.

[darthpb]

Dempsonny, sorry, it looks like you're in the minority here...I'm glad to see some Holmes supporters...like I said, he's one of the most underrated HVY champs ever!!!

[darthpb]

dempsonny, I just read your last post again and, please, he won except for when he lost!!! How about Ali vs. Norton? Could have lost all three but he DIDN'T...There are a million controversial decisions in history, so what? Holmes beat everyone over a long period of time...Tyson scared half of his opponents before the bout started. Once we saw the formula to beat him he never adapted...Great puncher but NOT a better champ than Holmes and I think the game illustrates that perfectly...

[jbmagic]

can someone simulate a bout larry homes vs lenniox lewis...when both in there prime.....do like 100 bouts thanks..

[wildhawke11]

JB
Why not just order the game its well worth the money, if your interested in boxing in anyway.
You have heard nearly all say it is a great game go on take a chance

On the other hand you could always pop over and visit me in UK England and check my game out. Then i will take you up the local gym and give you a few rounds myself. Now it cant get anymore realistic then that --- can it

PS Hope your no bigger then 160 lb though or the deal is off LOL

[jbmagic]

thanks....i am close in buying this game so soon,,....


give me some ideas in what u do when u play this game....


thanks

[wildhawke11]

Go to the forum marked
TBCB Inside the ropes

It will give you a good idea of what people are doing with the game.
Cheers
Danny

[dempsonny]

Here is why you think Holmes is so great and why I don't make him a top 50 HW based on my statement of WHO DID HE BEAT.
I'll take Holmes' opponents that were in the game and show you the quality of his opposition most of whom gave him a hard time.
Throw in the should have been losses to 'spoon and the truth and you'll see what I mean. Most of these fights you'll see is a prime Holmes;
Fighter Game rating comment
Isaac 2 dropped Holmes
Arrington 5
Shavers 7 past prime and dropped Holmes
Norton 9 past pime controversal (I gave the slight edge to Holmes, others didn't
Evangelista 4
Ocasio 5
Weaver 5 another tough fight for him
L Jones 5
LeDoux 4
Berbick 7 another tough fight
L Spinks 4
Snipes 7 dropped Holmes (I question the 7)
Cooney 5
Cobb 6
Witherspoon 8 like many I gave to Spoon
M Frazier 3
BC Smith 7
Bey 4
Williams 7 like many gave it to the Truth
These are the fights up to his two losses to Spinks and his anilation by Tyson
There are a few like Zanon and Rodriguez that are missing in this version but they're probably no better than 5's and they gave him a hard time.
Look it over it's why he should be a 9 not an 11 or 12.

Gus