Boxing Question

[PyroFalkon]

For those who don't remember, I don't know much about boxing, so I hope you'll pardon my newbie-fied brain.

Anyway, I have two questions about boxing itself. Okay, all the people you hear about on TV tend to have super-good record. My question is, how does a pro boxer possibly get records that good? I mean, I hear mostly of guys who are like 40-0 with 38 KOs or something.

I've been trying to sim that, but even my best guys lose about 10% of their matches. Is it just because the guys with incredible records always fight low-caliber opponents?

Even in the women's division, I've got that problem. Ali's daughter in real life is 16-0, if I remember right. But all my women are VERY even in records... then again, the best and worst women are only 3 points in difference in the automatic rating. For RPing's sake, would I have to build up someone's record by continually having them face low-rated people?

Second question, much quicker: one of my fighters was penalized for "hitting on the break." What does that mean?

[systowe]

Most of the fighters you see with that kind of record are "carefully" managed to get that record. Generally, during the first few years of a fighters career, he is matched against fighters he should beat while at the same time developing or honing his skills as a fighter. Once a fighter has developed and matured, he then takes on more challenging opponents. (unless you're Roy Jones Jr who only takes fights he knows he can win).

"Hitting on the Break", see Evander Holyfield's DQ loss in the 1984 Olympics.

[wildhawke11]

Pyro

Hitting on the break

When two men are fighting in the ring and very close to each other sometimes one fighter will hold a little or may even trap the other fighters hand under his arm. Or they might both get tangled up together.
So the referee will tell them to *break* they normally are expected to both take a step backwards. During this time you are not supposed to throw a punch at the other fighter, If you do so the ref will warn you for hitting on the break.

[vistaman44]

Pyro;
When the referee steps in and gives the command "break" to fighters who are tied up, they are to untangle, put up their gloves and step back. If they strike the other boxer when they are supposed to be separating, that is a penalty called hitting on the break (which Systo rightly pointed out cost Holyfield dearly in the Olympics), and the ref can warn or deduct a point at his discretion, depending on severity or frequency of the foul. Usually the referee will try to keep an arm between the combatants during the "break" process, and sometimes will give the verbal command "box" to indicate the break has been completed and they can go at it again. Hope that's helpful.

[PyroFalkon]

Hmm... so hitting on the break is hitting a guy after the ref orders two guys to separate. It DOES seem a little severe to DQ him if that was his first foul during the whole match and it happened a "split second" (as reported by a site) after the ref gave the order.

EDIT: Wow, I made this post after reading systowe's post but before wildhawke11's and vistaman44's posts were up. Anyway, that what happened to Holyfield seems a little severe to me...

[systowe]

Holyfield knocked out Kevin Barry with the punch and the fighter could not continue (allegedly). Normally a warning is given first, but that was not an option in this case.

[Kevin]

Further to your first question:
The first few fights of a boxer's career are against one of two types of other boxers. The first are the other less talented newcomers who are put up against the hyped guys as cannon fodder. These are often fringe prospects that are being evaluated to see if they have any skill at all worth pursuing beyond two or three fights. The second class are the career professional losers who are expected to fight each other and the first class of guys to get a few wins to make them look like legitimate tests for the stars. They often include over the hill and out of shape guys that once had potential.

The first class of boxers don't get included in this game and only a few of the second class, so it's much harder to pad records in the game, which in my opinion is a good thing.

[yabanci]

this seems like a good place to ask what exactly is rabbit punching?

[wildhawke11]

Originally posted by yabanci
this seems like a good place to ask what exactly is rabbit punching?

You get a friend to hold up a rabbit at arms length and then you try to knock the rabbits head off with one punch

Sorry my Boxing Friend only joking,

Its when a punch is thrown and it lands on the back of the other fighters neck which is against the rules.

Dont worry i know even less about baseball
So ask any questions and i am sure someone will put you right.
Cheers

[PyroFalkon]

Kevin, I agree that padding stats is a bad thing, but it's the old argument about "this is a sim, so everything should be simmed."

My solution to it is that I've created a career loser, even before I knew what one was. Most of my men are over 6, there's one 3, and my created guy named Dan Heffron from the UK is a 1. He's normally the victim of several bouts against 9s and 10s.

The RPing element comes into effect when I've got two guys with 20-0 records smacking each other around. You know, tension. ^_^

[dempsonny]

PF,
That's the idea. I don't like my great fighters coming into fights with records like 11-7. I usually edit the fighters records before having fights with them. For Instance in real life Gerry Cooney had a 10-0 record with 9 KO's before meeting a fighter included in the game. I therefore input a 10-0 record 9 KO's for him and schedule his fights from there. I sort of manage each fighters career from there. If he wins his next fight vs S T Gordon I may step him up a little and let him fight say Bernardo Mercado. There is an element of excitement watching an 18-0 (15 KO's) fighter meeting a 24 - 1 (19 KO's).

Gus