Most Surprising Ratings on the Game

PittPanther · 01-07-2004, 06:27 PM

I have to say that I was very surprised with some of the overall ratings of a few of the archived fighters.

The most eye-catching, in my opinion, was Riddick Bowe who rates as an overall 12 as a HW right there with Jack Johnson, and higher than most of the Black Fighters during that time period.

What fighters, that were rated high, surprised you when going through the list?

Mel Turnbow · 01-07-2004, 06:36 PM

Francisco Damiani

Thought he'd be about a 3 or 4.

darthpb · 01-07-2004, 07:08 PM

12 for Bowe is a little high...Marvin Johnson a 3-time champ is a 6...that one sticks out in my mind...

bigtrouble77 · 01-08-2004, 12:06 AM

I always hated Bowe but he was amazing in his prime especially in those fights he beat Holyfield. I haven't checked his rating but a 12 sounds good as long as he has a strong propensity to go into the fight distracted or out-of-shape.

-BT

BrocktonBlockBuster · 01-08-2004, 01:52 AM

I agree with you trouble.

darthpb · 01-08-2004, 03:41 PM

I agree with your assessment but he's not a 12...who did he beat besides Holyfield? How many title defenses? 12 is too high...

cubedrum · 01-08-2004, 04:37 PM

And he relenquised his WBC belt just so he wouldn't have to fight Lennox Lewis. Bowe was skilled with impressive physical gifts, but his entire career was spent finding "just the right fight" for him. Lewis would have outworked him, Tyson, even in the time after his prison sentence, would have knocked him out. Never fought Moorer, Tua or Shannon Briggs or even Foreman. Even a stiff like Golota looked amazing against Bowe. He's broke now so I bet he wishes he hadn't ducked all those big paydays to fight the likes of Herbie Hide or Tyrell Biggs.

Cube

bigtrouble77 · 01-08-2004, 04:48 PM

Bowe's problem was that he burnt out really fast. He beat a prime Holyfield 2x, he annhilated guys like Bert Cooper and Bruce Seldon and dominated decent contenders. But... He was demoralized by guys like Lewis(who he was afraid to fight) and Golata and had some questionable earlier performances.

I'm just saying he had to be a 12 to beat holyfield on those 2 occasions because those weren't lucky punch wins. They were 12 round wars that heavily tested both men's hearts. I think mentally, though, he was a mess especially late in his career so those distraction/poor training factors have to come into play.

It's easy enough to drop his rating to a 10 or 11 in the game.

-BT

Mad Bomber · 01-08-2004, 10:59 PM

Riddick Bowe, a 12 ??????,he was scared of Lewis,
and as great as Holyfield was he could not handle
the really big men.Also if Bowe is a 12 does that make Liston a 14 and Louis a 17. heh heh

Greg

darthpb · 01-08-2004, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mad Bomber
Riddick Bowe, a 12 ??????,he was scared of Lewis,
and as great as Holyfield was he could not handle
the really big men.Also if Bowe is a 12 does that make Liston a 14 and Louis a 17. heh heh

Greg

See, mad bomber has it right. Bowe at his "best" was a 12 but what does that mean? His "career" was not a 12...Ken Norton is rated a 9...how did he do against The Greatest? Think Bowe could hold his "jockstrap" to quote a former champ? Nope. Against Holyfield he was a 12 but that trilogy does not a career make...A 10 or even an iffy 11 is more appropriate...that said, I have not changed any rating in the game ,YET, but I'm thinking about it...

dempsonny · 01-09-2004, 12:29 AM

Bowe is a 9, Norton is an 11 vs a boxer 9 vs a slugger. Lewis maybe as high as a 10 with a suspect chin. If you want to have Bowe vs Joe Louis or Ali or Johnson you need to make him a 9.

Gus

darthpb · 01-09-2004, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dempsonny
Bowe is a 9, Norton is an 11 vs a boxer 9 vs a slugger. Lewis maybe as high as a 10 with a suspect chin. If you want to have Bowe vs Joe Louis or Ali or Johnson you need to make him a 9.

Gus

My only change made has been to make Lewis a 10...good call. and I agree will your other assessments as well...you know your shi*

hamed · 01-10-2004, 12:46 PM

I recently read Bowe will be released from prison in April & is planning a comeback. We can see how "great" he'll be then.

vistaman44 · 01-10-2004, 02:33 PM

Say it ain't so, Bowe!

I have a problem with Greg Page being a 10. That seems high when some of his similiar contemporaries like Thomas, Witherspoon, Dokes, Tucker, etc., are much lower, IMHO.

Claybor · 01-10-2004, 03:35 PM

Greg Page as a 10 overall rated fighter is the one I thought was most overrated.

PittPanther · 01-12-2004, 12:00 PM

yes, Greg Page as a 10 seems excessive to me.

01-07-2004, 06:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
PittPanther All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,174	Most Surprising Ratings on the Game I have to say that I was very surprised with some of the overall ratings of a few of the archived fighters. The most eye-catching, in my opinion, was Riddick Bowe who rates as an overall 12 as a HW right there with Jack Johnson, and higher than most of the Black Fighters during that time period. What fighters, that were rated high, surprised you when going through the list? __________________ Commitment Teamwork Pride Hail to Pitt!

01-08-2004, 04:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
cubedrum All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 877	And he relenquised his WBC belt just so he wouldn't have to fight Lennox Lewis. Bowe was skilled with impressive physical gifts, but his entire career was spent finding "just the right fight" for him. Lewis would have outworked him, Tyson, even in the time after his prison sentence, would have knocked him out. Never fought Moorer, Tua or Shannon Briggs or even Foreman. Even a stiff like Golota looked amazing against Bowe. He's broke now so I bet he wishes he hadn't ducked all those big paydays to fight the likes of Herbie Hide or Tyrell Biggs. Cube __________________ "If you build a man a fire, he stays warm for one day. If you set a man on fire, he stays warm for the rest of his life" - Edgar Frog

01-08-2004, 10:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mad Bomber All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,112	Riddick Bowe, a 12 ??????,he was scared of Lewis, and as great as Holyfield was he could not handle the really big men.Also if Bowe is a 12 does that make Liston a 14 and Louis a 17. heh heh Greg __________________ Keep on Punchin' There are three things that go on a fighter, first your reflexes go, then your chin goes, and then your friends go. Willie Pep

01-09-2004, 12:29 AM	#11 (permalink)
dempsonny Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: long island, n.y. Posts: 321	Bowe is a 9, Norton is an 11 vs a boxer 9 vs a slugger. Lewis maybe as high as a 10 with a suspect chin. If you want to have Bowe vs Joe Louis or Ali or Johnson you need to make him a 9. Gus __________________ A house without a dog is not a home.

01-10-2004, 02:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
vistaman44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Auxvasse, Mo. Posts: 3,143	Say it ain't so, Bowe! I have a problem with Greg Page being a 10. That seems high when some of his similiar contemporaries like Thomas, Witherspoon, Dokes, Tucker, etc., are much lower, IMHO. __________________ ---Mark (vistaman44) "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters, compared to what lies within us." — Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, philosopher and poet (1803-1882) ----------------------------------- Currently operating 1980s JM-HW, 1940s, African, 1980s LW and women's boxing universes

01-07-2004, 06:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mel Turnbow Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12	Francisco Damiani Thought he'd be about a 3 or 4.

01-07-2004, 07:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
darthpb All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Queens, NY a mile from Shea Posts: 637	12 for Bowe is a little high...Marvin Johnson a 3-time champ is a 6...that one sticks out in my mind...

01-08-2004, 12:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
bigtrouble77 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 88	I always hated Bowe but he was amazing in his prime especially in those fights he beat Holyfield. I haven't checked his rating but a 12 sounds good as long as he has a strong propensity to go into the fight distracted or out-of-shape. -BT

01-08-2004, 01:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
BrocktonBlockBuster Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 280	I agree with you trouble.

01-08-2004, 03:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
darthpb All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Queens, NY a mile from Shea Posts: 637	I agree with your assessment but he's not a 12...who did he beat besides Holyfield? How many title defenses? 12 is too high...

01-08-2004, 04:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
bigtrouble77 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 88	Bowe's problem was that he burnt out really fast. He beat a prime Holyfield 2x, he annhilated guys like Bert Cooper and Bruce Seldon and dominated decent contenders. But... He was demoralized by guys like Lewis(who he was afraid to fight) and Golata and had some questionable earlier performances. I'm just saying he had to be a 12 to beat holyfield on those 2 occasions because those weren't lucky punch wins. They were 12 round wars that heavily tested both men's hearts. I think mentally, though, he was a mess especially late in his career so those distraction/poor training factors have to come into play. It's easy enough to drop his rating to a 10 or 11 in the game. -BT

01-10-2004, 12:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
hamed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	I recently read Bowe will be released from prison in April & is planning a comeback. We can see how "great" he'll be then.

01-10-2004, 03:35 PM	#15 (permalink)
Claybor All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,194	Greg Page as a 10 overall rated fighter is the one I thought was most overrated.

01-12-2004, 12:00 PM	#16 (permalink)
PittPanther All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,174	yes, Greg Page as a 10 seems excessive to me. __________________ Commitment Teamwork Pride Hail to Pitt!

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