Klitschko/Sanders any thoughts?

Bam Bam · 03-27-2004, 12:37 PM

What do you guys think of this next HBO fight?

hamed · 03-27-2004, 03:33 PM

I think it will be good while it lasts! 2 big punchers - can't ask for much more than that in a fight.

Mr Big · 03-27-2004, 03:51 PM

Sanders has been inactive since he upset the younger Klitschko, Wladimir, more than a year ago. His lack of recent quality fights, his age (38), and older Klitschko brother Vitalis' determination to avenge Wlads' defeat, all spell disaster for Corrie. Klitschko by TKO in 7 rounds.

erickdamac · 03-27-2004, 04:18 PM

Great point Mr Big! See all those things you said in your post would be a problem for a Boxer not a slugger like sanders. His style is not changing so I dont think the him bein inactive will be a problem because before Wlad klisko he only fought once in 18 months. So for sanders it wont matter because he is going to be fighting another slugger not a boxer which means Sanders wont have to put togather a puzzle in the ring because vitaly is going to be right there. At least IMO, And Also IMO sanders is the stronger fighter, and we all know he has WAY better hand speed then vitaly so I have it TKO in the 5th. Sanders the new champion of the world!

PittPanther · 03-27-2004, 04:59 PM

Should be an interesting fight. I would take the opposite stand of erick and say I expect Vitaly to win.

crusadecat · 03-27-2004, 05:09 PM

I think Vitali has a better chin and moves better than his brother , Sanders is a year older and has been inactive to boot. Vitali 4th rd tko.

Bam Bam · 03-27-2004, 05:32 PM

I also expect Vitali to win, but I also expect him to take some shots from Sanders....to be honest, I'd stay away from this one if I was a betting man...I too think Vitali has a good chin, but I don't think he hits very hard, you guys bring up good points, I think its a good free fight from HBO.....

Mr Big · 03-28-2004, 01:47 AM

Bam Bam:

Vitali doesn't hit that hard? PLEASE!!! 32 KOs in 33 victories and he isn't a power puncher? I'll bet Kirk Johnson, Lennox Lewis, and Larry Donald would disagree with you. Johnson hadn't been legitimately knocked down or stopped in 36 previous fights before meeting Klitschko. He was floored twice and TKO'd inside of 2 rounds vs Vitali. Watch round #2 in the Lewis fight and Lennox was out on his feet when the bell rang. And fringe contender Larry Donald visited the canvas 5 times vs Klitschko en route to being halted for the first time in his career. Neither Kirk Johnson, Tim Witherspoon, or Riddick Bowe could knock Larry off his feet when they fought him. If Vitali Klitschko isn't the hardest hitter in the sport today, then who is?

mking55 · 03-28-2004, 03:01 AM

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Originally posted by Mr Big
Sanders has been inactive since he upset the younger Klitschko, Wladimir, more than a year ago. His lack of recent quality fights, his age (38), and older Klitschko brother Vitalis' determination to avenge Wlads' defeat, all spell disaster for Corrie. Klitschko by TKO in 7 rounds.

This is very similar to the comments about Sanders before he clobbered the other Klitschko guy.

Logic dictates that this Klitschko wins, but logic doesn't always win. The best man does not always win.

It's sometimes like football. "On any given Sunday". (Or a Saturday in this case).

Bam Bam · 03-28-2004, 03:24 PM

You did your homework Mr. Big-----I won't speak of the hardest hitters in boxing, but you know the hardest hitter in the HW's is still---Iron Mike, how can you argue that? I think Vlad hits harder than Vitali. Tua, and a couple others...but I'm not arguing with you that Vitali is probably the best heavyweight, with the most desire right now.
Of the fighters you mentioned the only one with any merit to me is Bowe....Johnson was so fat and out of shape. Im gonna ignore him as a heavyweight for a while... Larry Donald....ehhh

IceTea · 03-28-2004, 07:46 PM

Vitti has a little better than average power for a heavy, but to his credit, he leads with the jab and throws lots of punches which results in his high KO %.

I don't think he punches nearly has hard as did Lewis, Tyson, Tua, or Ibeabuchi, his brother or the guy he is fighting next month. But, he is a better boxer (style wise) than anyone on the above list except Lewis.

The best Heavy in the world is locked up, (Ibeahbuchi)

Bam Bam · 04-15-2004, 09:28 PM

Figured I'd refresh this thread since the 17th is getting close. Not much luck with my picks last week, hopefully this will be a better one for me, I know the Brewster fight threw all of us off. Gonna do my homework on this one first.

Night2000 · 04-16-2004, 02:14 AM

I expect Vitaly to win, but would love to see Sanders pull the upset once again.

Augie · 04-16-2004, 08:56 AM

I predict Vitaly to win fairly easily.

Keep in mind, the Klitschkos are pretty much carbon copies of one another in terms of fighting styles, boxing ability and power. If the Klitschkos have proved one thing, they are very good offensive fighters. They are tall, use their size well, throw strong jabs, have power right hands and throw a decent left hook.

Neither are great defensive fighters for sure. They both are kind of awkward in the ring, they both lack good footwork and both are susceptible to counters.

Yet there is definitly something separating the two and it is fairly obvious what it is. Call it what you will, but it is fairly obvious that Vitaly has the huge edge in intangibles -- i.e, toughness, chin, stamina, heart, etc. Take the Vitaly/Lennox fight and that should end all doubts between the two right there.

Even though I witnessed Vitaly seemingly quit in a fight against Chris Byrd, he toughened it up when it mattered most in the biggest fight of his career. IMO, he had Lennox beat in an extremely tough fight and now has everything to fight for. He is not just out to avenge his brother's defeat, but is out restore his family's honor.

Despite Corrie Sander's KO of Wladimir, there really is not all that much to recommend about him. In his toughest test of his career (aside from exposing Wlad), he lost by TKO in the 7th to Hassim Rachman. He is a southpaw and can throw a strong punch, but that is about it. He is coming off nearly a year lay-off and I don't see him competing favorably square up against a more skilled puncher (who, himself, can take a punch).

I say, Vitaly drops him in the 7th.

Bam Bam · 04-17-2004, 05:34 PM

my bad, the fight is not the 17th....but Batboy I disagree that the brothers have the same fighting style...I think Vitali, throws shorter punches, and has better movement. I agree that they don't share the intangibles

erickdamac · 04-17-2004, 06:07 PM

Who cares what they share Vitlie will be busted on the 24th just like his brother, They was nothing but a hype lets bust this clown so we can get the real search on, And yes I am a Klitsko hater! Why? Cause there are fighters who deserve more attention then these clowns!

Sanders 7th round TKO

P.s when my site get up I will add the last two rounds of the Lennox vs. Klitsko fight to show you guys that Bitlie was about to be knocked out!

Mr Big · 04-18-2004, 12:01 AM

Eric:

I'm staying with my original prediction of Vitali Kiltschko TKO 7. He will NOT get busted up on the 24th and neither did his brother on the 10th. Fatigue, brought about by possible low blood sugar and viral infection felled Wladimir. Read the article on Fightnews.com. He was giving Lamon Brewster the beating of his life before he ran out of gas. If the same thing happens in a rematch, I will stand corrected. Until then, it was a fluke.

And who, in the heavyweight division, deserves more attention than the Klitschkos? IBF Champion Chris Byrd? Vitali won 7 of 9 one-sided rounds against him before succumbing to a torn rotator cuff. He most likely injured it by hitting Byrd too many times. Wladimir swelled both of Chris's eyes shut, knocked him down twice, and won 11 of 12 rounds in defeating him 6 months later. What about WBA titlist John Ruiz? Please. Fres Oquendo? No. Blown up cruiser James Toney? Uh Uh. Jameel McCline? Wlad TKOd him in 10. Monte Barrett? Wlad TKO 7. Kirk Johnson? Vitali blew him out in 2 rounds. Or are you thinking of has beens David Tua, Hasim Rachman and Mike Tyson?

As for your assertation that Lennox Lewis was about to knock out Vitali Klitschko based on his performance in rounds 5 and 6 of their championship bout; PURE FICTION! I've watched the fight more than a dozen times, and each time I am more convinced that Vitali was well on his way to stopping Lennox had the contest not been abruptly halted by a well-meaning but obviously biased ringside physician.

And just in case you haven't figured it out, I am a HUGE Klitschko fan! Too bad your hatred of them clouds your view. Good day!

Cap · 04-18-2004, 12:29 PM

This fight is a pick-em. You can't judge Vitali on the Kirk Johnson fight. Johnson was totally out of shape, and was mentally never in it.

I can see Sanders knocking out Klitschko early, or the fight going rounds, Vitali tiring and Sanders putting him away. He's a smart guy with a few tricks up his sleeve.

On the other hand it could be a blow-out for the Ukranian in a few rounds. I don't see Sanders going quickly though. But these are two big punchers, and with heavyweights anything can happen.

Cap

Mr Big · 04-19-2004, 03:17 AM

Cap:

Thanks for your comments. They have merit and I respect your opinions. I would like to say something about the Kirk Johnson fight. I keep hearing from everyone that he wasn't in shape and that's why Vitali was able to destroy him inside of two rounds. I agree that he was not in shape, but I think that has very little to do with a fighters' ability to take a punch; especially to the head. The fat rolls were around his waist, not his chin. Even if he had been in top shape, I don't see the fight lasting more than 7 rounds. He simply isn't in Vitalis' league. As for Johnson not being mentally prepared; that may be true. But, it reflects a lack of professionalism on his part. Vitali Klitschko WAS prepared and that is why he is among boxings' elite. Come this Saturday, he will be the WBC and linear Heavyweight Champion of the World.

erickdamac · 04-19-2004, 07:11 AM

Ok see him not being in shape means he cant box like he wants to Kirk is a bueatiful boxer that uses the ring of course him not being in shape enabled him to do so, Is it vitilie fault? NO! He handled his buisness, I think caps point is that vitlie simply hasn't did enough for him.

On the Wlad fight! Come on in the second round Brewster almost knocked him out he has no chin once so ever! He just dont have a chin and he wear down easily, about the blood test so far All this came from who? Hmm. let me think KLITSKO'S! No evidence just them blabber mouthing and if he did have a sugar problem so wat he should not have fought to me corrie sanders busted Wlamire!

Now lets get real, these are two tall athletic fighters who can do wonders for boxing! So far 1 down 1 to go, lets see if Vitalis can hold up his family name cuz to be honest its no room for both of them.

Personally I dont hate them because of these personality actually I sorda like Vitalis, he just havent won me over, but Wlad I hate cuz he continue to get attention even tho he is a bust down!

Mr. Big Lets see who is right on the 24th!

03-27-2004, 12:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bam Bam All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York Posts: 983	Klitschko/Sanders any thoughts? What do you guys think of this next HBO fight?

03-27-2004, 03:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mr Big All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,235	Sanders has been inactive since he upset the younger Klitschko, Wladimir, more than a year ago. His lack of recent quality fights, his age (38), and older Klitschko brother Vitalis' determination to avenge Wlads' defeat, all spell disaster for Corrie. Klitschko by TKO in 7 rounds. __________________ The M.O.B. Isaiah 54:17

03-27-2004, 04:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
PittPanther All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,174	Should be an interesting fight. I would take the opposite stand of erick and say I expect Vitaly to win. __________________ Commitment Teamwork Pride Hail to Pitt!

03-27-2004, 05:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
Bam Bam All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York Posts: 983	I also expect Vitali to win, but I also expect him to take some shots from Sanders....to be honest, I'd stay away from this one if I was a betting man...I too think Vitali has a good chin, but I don't think he hits very hard, you guys bring up good points, I think its a good free fight from HBO..... __________________ runs a 4.4 40..

03-28-2004, 01:47 AM	#8 (permalink)
Mr Big All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,235	Bam Bam: Vitali doesn't hit that hard? PLEASE!!! 32 KOs in 33 victories and he isn't a power puncher? I'll bet Kirk Johnson, Lennox Lewis, and Larry Donald would disagree with you. Johnson hadn't been legitimately knocked down or stopped in 36 previous fights before meeting Klitschko. He was floored twice and TKO'd inside of 2 rounds vs Vitali. Watch round #2 in the Lewis fight and Lennox was out on his feet when the bell rang. And fringe contender Larry Donald visited the canvas 5 times vs Klitschko en route to being halted for the first time in his career. Neither Kirk Johnson, Tim Witherspoon, or Riddick Bowe could knock Larry off his feet when they fought him. If Vitali Klitschko isn't the hardest hitter in the sport today, then who is? __________________ The M.O.B. Isaiah 54:17

03-27-2004, 03:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
hamed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	I think it will be good while it lasts! 2 big punchers - can't ask for much more than that in a fight.

03-27-2004, 04:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
erickdamac All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,592	Great point Mr Big! See all those things you said in your post would be a problem for a Boxer not a slugger like sanders. His style is not changing so I dont think the him bein inactive will be a problem because before Wlad klisko he only fought once in 18 months. So for sanders it wont matter because he is going to be fighting another slugger not a boxer which means Sanders wont have to put togather a puzzle in the ring because vitaly is going to be right there. At least IMO, And Also IMO sanders is the stronger fighter, and we all know he has WAY better hand speed then vitaly so I have it TKO in the 5th. Sanders the new champion of the world!

03-27-2004, 05:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
crusadecat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 799	I think Vitali has a better chin and moves better than his brother , Sanders is a year older and has been inactive to boot. Vitali 4th rd tko.

03-28-2004, 03:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
Bam Bam All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York Posts: 983	You did your homework Mr. Big-----I won't speak of the hardest hitters in boxing, but you know the hardest hitter in the HW's is still---Iron Mike, how can you argue that? I think Vlad hits harder than Vitali. Tua, and a couple others...but I'm not arguing with you that Vitali is probably the best heavyweight, with the most desire right now. Of the fighters you mentioned the only one with any merit to me is Bowe....Johnson was so fat and out of shape. Im gonna ignore him as a heavyweight for a while... Larry Donald....ehhh __________________ runs a 4.4 40.. Last edited by Bam Bam : 03-28-2004 at 08:43 PM.

03-28-2004, 07:46 PM	#11 (permalink)
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Utica, NY Posts: 6,909	Vitti Vitti has a little better than average power for a heavy, but to his credit, he leads with the jab and throws lots of punches which results in his high KO %. I don't think he punches nearly has hard as did Lewis, Tyson, Tua, or Ibeabuchi, his brother or the guy he is fighting next month. But, he is a better boxer (style wise) than anyone on the above list except Lewis. The best Heavy in the world is locked up, (Ibeahbuchi) __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone IFBA Philadelphia Boxing Understanding Title Bout Boxing Ratings Fighterlist Boxrec Ross Boxing Philly Boxing History

04-15-2004, 09:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
Bam Bam All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York Posts: 983	Figured I'd refresh this thread since the 17th is getting close. Not much luck with my picks last week, hopefully this will be a better one for me, I know the Brewster fight threw all of us off. Gonna do my homework on this one first. __________________ runs a 4.4 40..

04-16-2004, 02:14 AM	#13 (permalink)
Night2000 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Monroe, NJ Posts: 717	I expect Vitaly to win, but would love to see Sanders pull the upset once again. __________________ http://night2000.blogspot.com/ This post has the Al Bundy and Homer Simpson stamp of approval!

04-16-2004, 08:56 AM	#14 (permalink)
Augie Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3	I predict Vitaly to win fairly easily. Keep in mind, the Klitschkos are pretty much carbon copies of one another in terms of fighting styles, boxing ability and power. If the Klitschkos have proved one thing, they are very good offensive fighters. They are tall, use their size well, throw strong jabs, have power right hands and throw a decent left hook. Neither are great defensive fighters for sure. They both are kind of awkward in the ring, they both lack good footwork and both are susceptible to counters. Yet there is definitly something separating the two and it is fairly obvious what it is. Call it what you will, but it is fairly obvious that Vitaly has the huge edge in intangibles -- i.e, toughness, chin, stamina, heart, etc. Take the Vitaly/Lennox fight and that should end all doubts between the two right there. Even though I witnessed Vitaly seemingly quit in a fight against Chris Byrd, he toughened it up when it mattered most in the biggest fight of his career. IMO, he had Lennox beat in an extremely tough fight and now has everything to fight for. He is not just out to avenge his brother's defeat, but is out restore his family's honor. Despite Corrie Sander's KO of Wladimir, there really is not all that much to recommend about him. In his toughest test of his career (aside from exposing Wlad), he lost by TKO in the 7th to Hassim Rachman. He is a southpaw and can throw a strong punch, but that is about it. He is coming off nearly a year lay-off and I don't see him competing favorably square up against a more skilled puncher (who, himself, can take a punch). I say, Vitaly drops him in the 7th.

04-17-2004, 05:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
Bam Bam All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York Posts: 983	my bad, the fight is not the 17th....but Batboy I disagree that the brothers have the same fighting style...I think Vitali, throws shorter punches, and has better movement. I agree that they don't share the intangibles __________________ runs a 4.4 40..

04-17-2004, 06:07 PM	#16 (permalink)
erickdamac All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,592	Who cares what they share Vitlie will be busted on the 24th just like his brother, They was nothing but a hype lets bust this clown so we can get the real search on, And yes I am a Klitsko hater! Why? Cause there are fighters who deserve more attention then these clowns! Sanders 7th round TKO P.s when my site get up I will add the last two rounds of the Lennox vs. Klitsko fight to show you guys that Bitlie was about to be knocked out! Last edited by erickdamac : 04-17-2004 at 06:11 PM.

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04-18-2004, 12:01 AM	#17 (permalink)
Mr Big All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,235	Eric: I'm staying with my original prediction of Vitali Kiltschko TKO 7. He will NOT get busted up on the 24th and neither did his brother on the 10th. Fatigue, brought about by possible low blood sugar and viral infection felled Wladimir. Read the article on Fightnews.com. He was giving Lamon Brewster the beating of his life before he ran out of gas. If the same thing happens in a rematch, I will stand corrected. Until then, it was a fluke. And who, in the heavyweight division, deserves more attention than the Klitschkos? IBF Champion Chris Byrd? Vitali won 7 of 9 one-sided rounds against him before succumbing to a torn rotator cuff. He most likely injured it by hitting Byrd too many times. Wladimir swelled both of Chris's eyes shut, knocked him down twice, and won 11 of 12 rounds in defeating him 6 months later. What about WBA titlist John Ruiz? Please. Fres Oquendo? No. Blown up cruiser James Toney? Uh Uh. Jameel McCline? Wlad TKOd him in 10. Monte Barrett? Wlad TKO 7. Kirk Johnson? Vitali blew him out in 2 rounds. Or are you thinking of has beens David Tua, Hasim Rachman and Mike Tyson? As for your assertation that Lennox Lewis was about to knock out Vitali Klitschko based on his performance in rounds 5 and 6 of their championship bout; PURE FICTION! I've watched the fight more than a dozen times, and each time I am more convinced that Vitali was well on his way to stopping Lennox had the contest not been abruptly halted by a well-meaning but obviously biased ringside physician. And just in case you haven't figured it out, I am a HUGE Klitschko fan! Too bad your hatred of them clouds your view. Good day! __________________ The M.O.B. Isaiah 54:17

04-18-2004, 12:29 PM	#18 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	This fight is a pick-em. You can't judge Vitali on the Kirk Johnson fight. Johnson was totally out of shape, and was mentally never in it. I can see Sanders knocking out Klitschko early, or the fight going rounds, Vitali tiring and Sanders putting him away. He's a smart guy with a few tricks up his sleeve. On the other hand it could be a blow-out for the Ukranian in a few rounds. I don't see Sanders going quickly though. But these are two big punchers, and with heavyweights anything can happen. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

04-19-2004, 03:17 AM	#19 (permalink)
Mr Big All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,235	Cap: Thanks for your comments. They have merit and I respect your opinions. I would like to say something about the Kirk Johnson fight. I keep hearing from everyone that he wasn't in shape and that's why Vitali was able to destroy him inside of two rounds. I agree that he was not in shape, but I think that has very little to do with a fighters' ability to take a punch; especially to the head. The fat rolls were around his waist, not his chin. Even if he had been in top shape, I don't see the fight lasting more than 7 rounds. He simply isn't in Vitalis' league. As for Johnson not being mentally prepared; that may be true. But, it reflects a lack of professionalism on his part. Vitali Klitschko WAS prepared and that is why he is among boxings' elite. Come this Saturday, he will be the WBC and linear Heavyweight Champion of the World. __________________ The M.O.B. Isaiah 54:17

04-19-2004, 07:11 AM	#20 (permalink)
erickdamac All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,592	Ok see him not being in shape means he cant box like he wants to Kirk is a bueatiful boxer that uses the ring of course him not being in shape enabled him to do so, Is it vitilie fault? NO! He handled his buisness, I think caps point is that vitlie simply hasn't did enough for him. On the Wlad fight! Come on in the second round Brewster almost knocked him out he has no chin once so ever! He just dont have a chin and he wear down easily, about the blood test so far All this came from who? Hmm. let me think KLITSKO'S! No evidence just them blabber mouthing and if he did have a sugar problem so wat he should not have fought to me corrie sanders busted Wlamire! Now lets get real, these are two tall athletic fighters who can do wonders for boxing! So far 1 down 1 to go, lets see if Vitalis can hold up his family name cuz to be honest its no room for both of them. Personally I dont hate them because of these personality actually I sorda like Vitalis, he just havent won me over, but Wlad I hate cuz he continue to get attention even tho he is a bust down! Mr. Big Lets see who is right on the 24th!