March 30th Title Bout Update

Jim Trunzo · 03-31-2004, 12:59 PM

Hello, all of you. I'd like to address/announce several items in this update:

1) Almost three dozen fighters have been update and or moved and Andreas will have those available for downloading in the very near future. The majority of these are current fighters whose recent performance has indicated a need for revision. Several fighters have been moved from one division to the next with minor adjustments and Sven Ottke has been moved to the Retired database from the Active database.

2) The request to be able to change a fighter in increments of 1 rather than 2 will be implemented. I will go on record and say that I am not in favor of this for design reasons, although I understand conceptually that if you can alter ratings by 2, why not by 1. Fine, but any changes are unofficial (though possibly better! LOL) and I will not be responsible for the outcome of fights based upon ratings that are not ours. Only career changes and conditions use +1/-1 and they are by design. We have, over the years since the boardgame and the many variations of the computer sim, found that the base use of -1/+1 fails to produce the kind of distinction needed between fighters and we have avoided it in the base ratings for that reason. However, again, the game should be open to your interpretations so Andreas will implement this change as well. Who knows, perhaps in time, I will find that I was being obstinate and you guys were right. Then we will all be better off because the fighters will be even more accurate.

3) I would like to ask for yet another favor - we are attempting to broaden our European/Asian/Hispanic base. To that end, we are working on changing all text that appears in the game to German, Spanish, etc. However, I personally need any contacts that you might suggest to help promote the game world-wide. If you can suggest a sports magazine or a European/Hispanic/Asian correspondent, please Email me any information of that nature. There is a large untapped market out there and perhaps you have information that I don't which you can share. I have, of course, scoured the Internet and come up with the basic outlets. Anything you might suggest would be appreciated.

4) A patch will be forthcoming and include some of the things requested. I can't be specific as to when and what because that is Andreas' area but I just wanted to assure you that another one is coming relatively soon.

Take care and thank you for all your invaluable input and your constant support.

Jim Trunzo

vistaman44 · 03-31-2004, 03:13 PM

Jim;
Thanks for the update and your continuing efforts on behalf of the gamers.

mking55 · 03-31-2004, 03:38 PM

I too appreciate the update.

The remainder of this post orignially contained a question for Jim that caused someone to take a rather harsh tone. I felt it was a legitimate concern but I want to avoid climbing into the mud to defend my opinions.

Therefore I deleted the post as I do not want my questions to cause the response to them to cause this place to be cast in a negative light.

I will in the future keep my opinions to myself, or express them offline.

thebadguy · 03-31-2004, 04:02 PM

first of all... THANKS JIM!!!!

second, hold on... hold on... HOLD ON!!!!!
I have to go get my kid from school and a few other things, but I have a LOOOOONG response coming for you mking55... dont go anywhere. your post is completely inaccurate.

hamed · 03-31-2004, 04:19 PM

Thanks for the update Jim! I can't wait for those new fighter updates - it's like a mini Christmas whenever those come out!

thebadguy · 03-31-2004, 05:01 PM

mking55

ok... first of all, have you been following the reasoning behind Jim giving us this 1 point system? if not, here it is: someone very knowledgeable on this board recently did some experimenting on the game and figured out the formula that was used to age fighters. he did this by having "Fighter A" in his PRIME fight against himself at different stages of his career. he then noted the changes and posted it here. one of the things he found was that some of the ratings changed by 1 POINT, not 2! if we (the gamers) are allowed to change the ratings by 1 point, it COULD produce a much more accurate aging system for the active fighters. Example: I want to take Orlin Norris and change him from END to PRIME, but in order to accurately follow the formula, his defense must be changed by 3 points. by implementing this 1 point system, it COULD mean the difference between a 6 overall and a 7 overall. same thing applies with Punching and CP, and I believe a couple other ratings. at any rate, the 1 point system COULD turn out to be more accurate.

also, Jim didn't say that the 1 point system didn't or wouldn't work. he said that in HIS experience, changing a rating or ratings by 1 point did not make enough of a distinct difference to consider using it. I am willing to bet that this new system WILL make a difference in the outcome of fights and a difference in the overall rating of a fighter.

and lets say that it IS accurate and that it DOES work. you are implying that if that turns out to be the case, then Jim and Tom will lose credibility among us gamers. I take from your post that they will lose that credibility because a tried and true system will prove to be wrong after all these years. That statement on your part is absolute crap. The Trunzo's have encouraged ALL of us, over the years, to go ahead and tweak the ratings and see if we can come up with more accurate results. If we succeed, does this make their ratings and their system a failure? OF COURSE NOT!!! Example: Alot of people on this board "complained" and then changed the ratings of Chuck Wepner, not only did Jim encourage it, but he agreed and changed the ratings for Chuck himself. Does that make his system a failure? NO!

Bottom line: Jim encourages us to tweak with ratings. By implementing this 1 point system, he is just giving us one more tool to enable us to do so. And another thing, if you dont like the song that is playing on the radio, what do you do? You chage the station... you dont listen to the song. So if you dont like the 1 point system, then apply that same logic.... and DONT USE IT!!!! Just stay in your comfort zone, refuse to take a chance and take your ball and go home. The point of this whole thing is to try and evolve the game and make it better. If it works, great. If not, thats fine too. Keyword for day: EVOLVE.

mking55 · 03-31-2004, 05:28 PM

In the interest of promoting peace and harmony, I deleted the post I made.

thebadguy · 03-31-2004, 05:52 PM

Apparently you haven't read many of my other posts. When I want to make a point, I am blunt, to the point and I DONT care who it offends or upsets. Without knowing you personally, I can only go by what you wrote in your post, which I believe to be "absolute crap". If you are looking for politeness and subtle expressions of opinions, then you are talking to the wrong guy. You were the same guy (if I remember correctly) who raised somewhat of a fuss and refused to download any of the newly rated fighters posted on this board, simply because they didn't have Jim's "stamp of appoval". Maybe I am wrong, but you strike me as the type who takes very little risk, never colors outside the lines and goes completely "by the book". Thats fine, those can be good qualities. However, you immediately posted on the board and expressed that the 1 point system should NOT be implemented, therefore attempting to ruin or delay something that many of us want. Like I said, dont use it if you're opposed to it. If you want to take my response(s) as a showing of disrespect towards you, thats your deal, not mine. I just "shoot from the hip" in my posts and couldn't really care less if someone is offended. Thats my personality, and so far, it has gotten alot of things done for me. Ruthless aggression is my approach. I do respect you, I always will unless you degrade me personally. I can certainly see how you think my post was impolite... and it was! But that doesn't mean that your opinion doesn't matter to me. In fact, it mattered to me so much, that I replied right away. Take it as a compliment.

thebadguy · 03-31-2004, 06:03 PM

IF the 1 point system works, it does NOT mean that "the building block for the game was wrong". It simply means that the game has been IMPROVED. Whats wrong with that? By that logic, you are saying that there should be no future versions of Title Bout and nothing should be changed because it would mean that something was wrong with the old version. Ridiculous!

mking55 · 03-31-2004, 06:30 PM

In the interested of promoting peace and harmony, I deleted the post I made.

Rasmuth · 03-31-2004, 06:51 PM

here we go again.

mking55 · 03-31-2004, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rasmuth
here we go again.

You're right. I'm sorry. I have to stop letting myself get provoked. I am tired of being shouted down when I am asking a question or trying to understand something. I must learn to accept that a messageboard is not a suitable forum to say something and be left in peace.

I need to be reminded. And I really am sorry.

I have deleted the posts I made. No one (including me) needs this crap.

I resent not being able to have an opinion or not being able to question the game developers online.

In the future, when I have a question, I shall take it offline so I do not have to put myself in the position of being provoked.

I love the game and I want to do nothing to take away from any focus on it, nor give it a bad name thru off-topic posting.

Martin

Jim Trunzo · 03-31-2004, 08:05 PM

Hey? Am I missing something? LOL - no offense but I didn't think there was anything negative, inflammatory or offensive in my update. I guess the "won't be responsible" and not "in favor of" might have bothered some, though I don't know why.

ROFL - seriously - I think I can have my opinion, too, being the designer and all! LOL.

Look, come on, guys! Do as you please and let me know if your changes improve the game. Hey, I'm just saying that our experience has been that the 2 point steps in Punches Landed, Counter-punching and Defense have been effective and that the 1 point steps have been used in Career Modes to affect a minor change in some areas, balanced by more drastic changes in others.

If, however, you wish to try to use -1/+1 in changing the ratings, please do so, with my blessings! I'm not even going to discuss any role-playing aspects.

My point was simply this: if we have a guy rated one way and he's performing close to an expected level and that fighter is arbitrarily changed, using ANY method (+2/-2, +1/-1), and suddenly is winning or losing fights that he should/shouldn't, don't blame me for incorrectly rating the fighter in question.

Andreas will give you the tool, as Bad Guy pointed out, and you use it as you see fit. Bad Guy made some excellent points and, please, feel free to agree or disagree with me, Tom, Andreas - whoever. NO offense is taken unless you call me some profane name - with nasty overtones about my sexuality! ROFL!!!

I'm truly sorry if I caused some kind of controversy. I was just trying to update you guys and ask for a favor.

Jim

Rasmuth · 03-31-2004, 09:12 PM

hey guys...I don't don't mind opinions...I want that...but clearly this discussion had evolved into a smackdown...no good was coming from it.

crusadecat · 03-31-2004, 09:29 PM

Good to see TBCB going international, Boxing is one of those truly universal sports and thus you guys should tap into it as much as possible. I know we have had some friends here from Mexico and hopefully they will respond to your call.

thebadguy · 03-31-2004, 09:52 PM

It wasn't anything you said Jim. I was replying to mking's comments that the 1 point system may not be a good idea.

Kevin · 04-01-2004, 09:50 AM

I think it's a good move to come out with alternate language versions. It should boost your sales in some hotbeds of boxing in other parts of the world. I think we would also see more fighters being added and rated who are/were very good, but relatively unknown outside North America and Western Europe.

wildhawke11 · 04-01-2004, 12:46 PM

I don't know about people being so much bothered about being able to change the ratings by a +1 or -1 My own feelings are i would be more concerned about refining what is already in the game and correcting what needs to be corrected before trying to hit a wider market.

Take the action pics it just looks very unprofessional when two white fighters are in action and the action pics show black or brown skinned fighters. To some reviewers it would look like a product that was left unfinished. Was wondering if it would be possible to have the right coloured figures in the action pics or would that involve to much time and cost.

The commentary itself although very good still needs tidying up, the HE does this and He does that is still very confusing at times.

At times also the wrong fighter is seen to be on the floor when a knockdown accrues.

Surely these and other little things in the game need to be worked on and corrected if this is to be exposed to a wider market. If it was my product i would myself be more concerned with these points rather then worrying at the moment about a -1 and +1 in the ratings. That game is very good as it is, but polish and tidy up the little things and a very good game quickly turns into a Classic.

I often wonder also how sales went on this game. I know the normal 20 or so old faces still put in an appearance now and then, but at most i have seen maybe 30 plus new faces asking questions about patches and the game in general.

When you think about it, after someone has bought this game. the first place to come and ask questions and look for advice would be this site call it *The Mother Site * As i stated we have not been exactly over run with new people. This to me anyway is an indication that the game has not sold as well as expected.

One last point also what i wonder has happened to our administrator Mr Dale who seems to me anyway to have disappeared off the face of this earth.
One Mans Thoughts Anyway
Right Or Wrong

punchdrunk · 04-01-2004, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wildhawke11
At times also the wrong fighter is seen to be on the floor when a knockdown accrues.

Wow, I was wondering if anyone else had ever seen this... I had a fight with Cliff Etienne and Jameel McCline that had this happen and it was really strange. The commentary said that Etienne had been knocked down, but it was McCline that was apparently on the canvas. Etienne was the fighter on the right side, and McCline was the fighter on the left. The figure of the boxer on the left side was the one on his back...

Then McCline springs up with no count, not even a one count, and the commentary stated that the knockdown had been ruled a slip by the referee. That would have been cool, but all of a sudden I get the box saying that McCline's killer instinct had kicked in and asking if Etienne wanted to employ the "cover up" strategy.

The knockdown being ruled a slip was cool, and I could see how a fighter might "go all out" for a KO thinking that it was NOT a slip... but the wrong fighter hitting the canvas was really strange. I don't save my bout files, but I wish I had saved that one.

Montreal · 04-01-2004, 03:27 PM

punchdrunk wrote:
<< The knockdown being ruled a slip was cool, and I could see how a fighter might "go all out" for a KO thinking that it was NOT a slip... but the wrong fighter hitting the canvas was really strange. I don't save my bout files, but I wish I had saved that one. >>

I have also seen this three or four times on slip situations. Not 100% sure whether the other fighter went all out or not on each occasion, but the sure thing is that the wrong fighter went down.

Pierre

03-31-2004, 12:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jim Trunzo OOTP Developments Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Leechburg, PA Posts: 740	March 30th Title Bout Update Hello, all of you. I'd like to address/announce several items in this update: 1) Almost three dozen fighters have been update and or moved and Andreas will have those available for downloading in the very near future. The majority of these are current fighters whose recent performance has indicated a need for revision. Several fighters have been moved from one division to the next with minor adjustments and Sven Ottke has been moved to the Retired database from the Active database. 2) The request to be able to change a fighter in increments of 1 rather than 2 will be implemented. I will go on record and say that I am not in favor of this for design reasons, although I understand conceptually that if you can alter ratings by 2, why not by 1. Fine, but any changes are unofficial (though possibly better! LOL) and I will not be responsible for the outcome of fights based upon ratings that are not ours. Only career changes and conditions use +1/-1 and they are by design. We have, over the years since the boardgame and the many variations of the computer sim, found that the base use of -1/+1 fails to produce the kind of distinction needed between fighters and we have avoided it in the base ratings for that reason. However, again, the game should be open to your interpretations so Andreas will implement this change as well. Who knows, perhaps in time, I will find that I was being obstinate and you guys were right. Then we will all be better off because the fighters will be even more accurate. 3) I would like to ask for yet another favor - we are attempting to broaden our European/Asian/Hispanic base. To that end, we are working on changing all text that appears in the game to German, Spanish, etc. However, I personally need any contacts that you might suggest to help promote the game world-wide. If you can suggest a sports magazine or a European/Hispanic/Asian correspondent, please Email me any information of that nature. There is a large untapped market out there and perhaps you have information that I don't which you can share. I have, of course, scoured the Internet and come up with the basic outlets. Anything you might suggest would be appreciated. 4) A patch will be forthcoming and include some of the things requested. I can't be specific as to when and what because that is Andreas' area but I just wanted to assure you that another one is coming relatively soon. Take care and thank you for all your invaluable input and your constant support. Jim Trunzo

03-31-2004, 03:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
vistaman44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Auxvasse, Mo. Posts: 3,143	Jim; Thanks for the update and your continuing efforts on behalf of the gamers. __________________ ---Mark (vistaman44) "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters, compared to what lies within us." — Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, philosopher and poet (1803-1882) ----------------------------------- Currently operating 1980s JM-HW, 1940s, African, 1980s LW and women's boxing universes

03-31-2004, 03:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
mking55 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 703	I too appreciate the update. The remainder of this post orignially contained a question for Jim that caused someone to take a rather harsh tone. I felt it was a legitimate concern but I want to avoid climbing into the mud to defend my opinions. Therefore I deleted the post as I do not want my questions to cause the response to them to cause this place to be cast in a negative light. I will in the future keep my opinions to myself, or express them offline. Last edited by mking55 : 03-31-2004 at 07:23 PM.

03-31-2004, 04:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
thebadguy Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ephrata, WA Posts: 429	first of all... THANKS JIM!!!! second, hold on... hold on... HOLD ON!!!!! I have to go get my kid from school and a few other things, but I have a LOOOOONG response coming for you mking55... dont go anywhere. your post is completely inaccurate. __________________ "You need people like me... you need people like me so you can point your ****ing fingers... and say, thats the badguy!" - Al Pacino (Scarface)

03-31-2004, 05:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
thebadguy Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ephrata, WA Posts: 429	mking55 ok... first of all, have you been following the reasoning behind Jim giving us this 1 point system? if not, here it is: someone very knowledgeable on this board recently did some experimenting on the game and figured out the formula that was used to age fighters. he did this by having "Fighter A" in his PRIME fight against himself at different stages of his career. he then noted the changes and posted it here. one of the things he found was that some of the ratings changed by 1 POINT, not 2! if we (the gamers) are allowed to change the ratings by 1 point, it COULD produce a much more accurate aging system for the active fighters. Example: I want to take Orlin Norris and change him from END to PRIME, but in order to accurately follow the formula, his defense must be changed by 3 points. by implementing this 1 point system, it COULD mean the difference between a 6 overall and a 7 overall. same thing applies with Punching and CP, and I believe a couple other ratings. at any rate, the 1 point system COULD turn out to be more accurate. also, Jim didn't say that the 1 point system didn't or wouldn't work. he said that in HIS experience, changing a rating or ratings by 1 point did not make enough of a distinct difference to consider using it. I am willing to bet that this new system WILL make a difference in the outcome of fights and a difference in the overall rating of a fighter. and lets say that it IS accurate and that it DOES work. you are implying that if that turns out to be the case, then Jim and Tom will lose credibility among us gamers. I take from your post that they will lose that credibility because a tried and true system will prove to be wrong after all these years. That statement on your part is absolute crap. The Trunzo's have encouraged ALL of us, over the years, to go ahead and tweak the ratings and see if we can come up with more accurate results. If we succeed, does this make their ratings and their system a failure? OF COURSE NOT!!! Example: Alot of people on this board "complained" and then changed the ratings of Chuck Wepner, not only did Jim encourage it, but he agreed and changed the ratings for Chuck himself. Does that make his system a failure? NO! Bottom line: Jim encourages us to tweak with ratings. By implementing this 1 point system, he is just giving us one more tool to enable us to do so. And another thing, if you dont like the song that is playing on the radio, what do you do? You chage the station... you dont listen to the song. So if you dont like the 1 point system, then apply that same logic.... and DONT USE IT!!!! Just stay in your comfort zone, refuse to take a chance and take your ball and go home. The point of this whole thing is to try and evolve the game and make it better. If it works, great. If not, thats fine too. Keyword for day: EVOLVE. __________________ "You need people like me... you need people like me so you can point your ****ing fingers... and say, thats the badguy!" - Al Pacino (Scarface)

03-31-2004, 04:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
hamed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Thanks for the update Jim! I can't wait for those new fighter updates - it's like a mini Christmas whenever those come out!

03-31-2004, 05:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
mking55 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 703	In the interest of promoting peace and harmony, I deleted the post I made. Last edited by mking55 : 03-31-2004 at 07:15 PM.

03-31-2004, 05:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
thebadguy Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ephrata, WA Posts: 429	Apparently you haven't read many of my other posts. When I want to make a point, I am blunt, to the point and I DONT care who it offends or upsets. Without knowing you personally, I can only go by what you wrote in your post, which I believe to be "absolute crap". If you are looking for politeness and subtle expressions of opinions, then you are talking to the wrong guy. You were the same guy (if I remember correctly) who raised somewhat of a fuss and refused to download any of the newly rated fighters posted on this board, simply because they didn't have Jim's "stamp of appoval". Maybe I am wrong, but you strike me as the type who takes very little risk, never colors outside the lines and goes completely "by the book". Thats fine, those can be good qualities. However, you immediately posted on the board and expressed that the 1 point system should NOT be implemented, therefore attempting to ruin or delay something that many of us want. Like I said, dont use it if you're opposed to it. If you want to take my response(s) as a showing of disrespect towards you, thats your deal, not mine. I just "shoot from the hip" in my posts and couldn't really care less if someone is offended. Thats my personality, and so far, it has gotten alot of things done for me. Ruthless aggression is my approach. I do respect you, I always will unless you degrade me personally. I can certainly see how you think my post was impolite... and it was! But that doesn't mean that your opinion doesn't matter to me. In fact, it mattered to me so much, that I replied right away. Take it as a compliment. __________________ "You need people like me... you need people like me so you can point your ****ing fingers... and say, thats the badguy!" - Al Pacino (Scarface)

03-31-2004, 06:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
thebadguy Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ephrata, WA Posts: 429	IF the 1 point system works, it does NOT mean that "the building block for the game was wrong". It simply means that the game has been IMPROVED. Whats wrong with that? By that logic, you are saying that there should be no future versions of Title Bout and nothing should be changed because it would mean that something was wrong with the old version. Ridiculous! __________________ "You need people like me... you need people like me so you can point your ****ing fingers... and say, thats the badguy!" - Al Pacino (Scarface)

03-31-2004, 06:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
mking55 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 703	In the interested of promoting peace and harmony, I deleted the post I made. Last edited by mking55 : 03-31-2004 at 07:19 PM.

03-31-2004, 06:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
Rasmuth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Upstate Western NY Posts: 1,214	here we go again. __________________ http://indiemusicworks.com/forum/artists/members/50/ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...?bandID=250426

03-31-2004, 08:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
Jim Trunzo OOTP Developments Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Leechburg, PA Posts: 740	Am I missing something? Hey? Am I missing something? LOL - no offense but I didn't think there was anything negative, inflammatory or offensive in my update. I guess the "won't be responsible" and not "in favor of" might have bothered some, though I don't know why. ROFL - seriously - I think I can have my opinion, too, being the designer and all! LOL. Look, come on, guys! Do as you please and let me know if your changes improve the game. Hey, I'm just saying that our experience has been that the 2 point steps in Punches Landed, Counter-punching and Defense have been effective and that the 1 point steps have been used in Career Modes to affect a minor change in some areas, balanced by more drastic changes in others. If, however, you wish to try to use -1/+1 in changing the ratings, please do so, with my blessings! I'm not even going to discuss any role-playing aspects. My point was simply this: if we have a guy rated one way and he's performing close to an expected level and that fighter is arbitrarily changed, using ANY method (+2/-2, +1/-1), and suddenly is winning or losing fights that he should/shouldn't, don't blame me for incorrectly rating the fighter in question. Andreas will give you the tool, as Bad Guy pointed out, and you use it as you see fit. Bad Guy made some excellent points and, please, feel free to agree or disagree with me, Tom, Andreas - whoever. NO offense is taken unless you call me some profane name - with nasty overtones about my sexuality! ROFL!!! I'm truly sorry if I caused some kind of controversy. I was just trying to update you guys and ask for a favor. Jim

03-31-2004, 09:12 PM	#14 (permalink)
Rasmuth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Upstate Western NY Posts: 1,214	hey guys...I don't don't mind opinions...I want that...but clearly this discussion had evolved into a smackdown...no good was coming from it. __________________ http://indiemusicworks.com/forum/artists/members/50/ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...?bandID=250426

03-31-2004, 09:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
crusadecat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 799	Good to see TBCB going international, Boxing is one of those truly universal sports and thus you guys should tap into it as much as possible. I know we have had some friends here from Mexico and hopefully they will respond to your call.

03-31-2004, 09:52 PM	#16 (permalink)
thebadguy Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ephrata, WA Posts: 429	It wasn't anything you said Jim. I was replying to mking's comments that the 1 point system may not be a good idea. __________________ "You need people like me... you need people like me so you can point your ****ing fingers... and say, thats the badguy!" - Al Pacino (Scarface)

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04-01-2004, 09:50 AM	#17 (permalink)
Kevin Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 467	I think it's a good move to come out with alternate language versions. It should boost your sales in some hotbeds of boxing in other parts of the world. I think we would also see more fighters being added and rated who are/were very good, but relatively unknown outside North America and Western Europe. __________________ It seems more like today than it did all day yesterday.

04-01-2004, 12:46 PM	#18 (permalink)
wildhawke11 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: united kingdom Posts: 1,834	I don't know about people being so much bothered about being able to change the ratings by a +1 or -1 My own feelings are i would be more concerned about refining what is already in the game and correcting what needs to be corrected before trying to hit a wider market. Take the action pics it just looks very unprofessional when two white fighters are in action and the action pics show black or brown skinned fighters. To some reviewers it would look like a product that was left unfinished. Was wondering if it would be possible to have the right coloured figures in the action pics or would that involve to much time and cost. The commentary itself although very good still needs tidying up, the HE does this and He does that is still very confusing at times. At times also the wrong fighter is seen to be on the floor when a knockdown accrues. Surely these and other little things in the game need to be worked on and corrected if this is to be exposed to a wider market. If it was my product i would myself be more concerned with these points rather then worrying at the moment about a -1 and +1 in the ratings. That game is very good as it is, but polish and tidy up the little things and a very good game quickly turns into a Classic. I often wonder also how sales went on this game. I know the normal 20 or so old faces still put in an appearance now and then, but at most i have seen maybe 30 plus new faces asking questions about patches and the game in general. When you think about it, after someone has bought this game. the first place to come and ask questions and look for advice would be this site call it The Mother Site As i stated we have not been exactly over run with new people. This to me anyway is an indication that the game has not sold as well as expected. One last point also what i wonder has happened to our administrator Mr Dale who seems to me anyway to have disappeared off the face of this earth. One Mans Thoughts Anyway Right Or Wrong

04-01-2004, 03:27 PM	#20 (permalink)
Montreal Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal area Posts: 179	punchdrunk wrote: << The knockdown being ruled a slip was cool, and I could see how a fighter might "go all out" for a KO thinking that it was NOT a slip... but the wrong fighter hitting the canvas was really strange. I don't save my bout files, but I wish I had saved that one. >> I have also seen this three or four times on slip situations. Not 100% sure whether the other fighter went all out or not on each occasion, but the sure thing is that the wrong fighter went down. Pierre __________________ Visit The Jungle_Gym Website; Most recent update on December 27: Main Page.