Please Help "Fix" TBCB: JT's Personal Quest

Jim Trunzo · 07-15-2004, 08:40 AM

Hello All,

Yes, two posts in three days. Must be the new meds the doctor prescribed. I think my previous post implied that Title Bout Championship Boxing was going to be left in the dust in favor of the role-playing game. Nothing could be farther from the truth. TBCB is, and will always be, our main product. I simply meant that we will be making no official updates until we release the next FULL VERSION of TBCB. We work with it alongside the role-playing game.

My request is this: Please send any PROBLEM that you feel still exists in TBCB and that has either not been fixed or continues to crop up when it was supposed to have been fixed to my PERSONAL EMAIL at titlebout@alltel.net. The reason for this is that (1) things get lost (all my fault) in the shuffle over here, and (2) I want to go to one place, away from all other related materials to compile a list of things that need fixed.

DO NOT send me a Wish List! I don't want Emails saying, "Please add streaming video" or "How about adding Joe Palooka, Rocky, Apollo Creed, etc. to the fighter database." I want mistakes that are still evident, errors that keep occuring, larger problems that mar the game.

For the next full version of TBCB, we intend to try to include a comprehensive bare-knuckles module, more options that will affect the rankings (like one to "swap places" with the fighter whom you've beaten or "move winning fighter up 'x' spots and losing fighter down 'x' spots" based upon relative import of the fight and the pre-fight rankings of the fighters involved). We also plan more to add more spoken announcing where it makes sense and is unobtrusive. Finally, some existing modules will be expanded to make them even more valuable.

Jim Trunzo

Cap · 07-15-2004, 09:56 PM

Hi, Jim. If you check over at the Technical Problems forum you'll notice Danny and a couple of other fellas have posted several things you might want to ruminate over.

Slante!

Cap

Gunsmoke · 07-16-2004, 04:38 AM

Excellent news, that was the sort of thing I was talking about in the other thread. Thanks Jim.

timlowery · 07-16-2004, 12:09 PM

Awesome news. I'm one of the ones who wouldn't enjoy the RPG as much as I'm enjoying the current flavor of the game.

crusadecat · 07-18-2004, 08:59 PM

Thats great news. All the ideas you have talked about will be great for the future editions. count me in.

thebadguy · 07-23-2004, 04:36 PM

I think everything is just fine with TBCB. I know you said that you didn't want a wish list, but I think there is one exception. When the original screenshots of TBCB came out, there were pictures of the title belts. I dont think it is out of line to request that something we all thought would be on the game... should be. Do you? Possibly a title history page as well... I dont know if that was in the screenshots or not... but it should have been.

Also, too many DQ's... I think.

javier_83 · 07-25-2004, 12:08 AM

i only want to said that cuts must be changed everytime that is a cut or a swelling is stopped the figth

sorry for my bad english :P

Fallschirmjager · 07-25-2004, 05:44 AM

I would roll the rpg game into the sequel and up the price to like 60 USD. May cut down on developement costs and speed up the time to get it into our hands.
This is the best sports sim I have played and the possibilities are endless. The RPG aspect boggles my mind at how cool it could all turn out if given enough years and new versions.

Cap · 07-25-2004, 12:01 PM

How about fixing the game we've got first and adding whatever we were promised to get us to buy THIS version? There's no way I'm shelling out more money for something two years down the road when they abandon TBCB. Do they think we are all stupid enough to forget?

Cap

Jim Trunzo · 07-26-2004, 03:51 PM

"Do they all think we're stupid enough to forget?" Nobody thinks any of our customers are stupid, nor are we. We are not in any way, shape or form abandoning the original. More problems are being addressed as we work side-by-side with the RPG version.

Andreas has returned from "holiday" and the first thing we are addressing, which affects both versions is the cut/swelling module. We are going to "place" cuts in many more places (i.e. high on the forehead, bridge of nose, in the eybrow, outside the eyebrow, above the eyebrow, high on the cheek bone, etc.) and each will be assigned a rating for difficulty in stopping the cut, chance of reopening a cut, and potential to force a stoppage.

Swelling will also be overhauled in a similar manner. Stoppages brought about strickly from swelling will be more difficult than before and will require complete closing of one eye or almost complete closing of both eyes.

Work is also being done on a bareknuckles module that would be used with TBCB.

Thanks to the various people who responded to my request to help me isolate some repeated problems, I will be addressing them point-by-point over the next few weeks with Andreas and making sure personally, that they get involved, including the infamous "wrong man punching because of pronoun" problem, the "wrong man down" commentary, etc.

Man, I would LOVE to meet some of you face to face to discuss things. I'll try to post updates as corrections are made and I have seen the proof that this is the case. Then maybe some of you won't have to make assumptions about us abandoning our bread-and-butter boxing simulation.

cubedrum · 07-26-2004, 04:01 PM

I've noticed that on the fighter's record stat page, that cuts are listed as for/against. The bug here is that the game reverses the two.

Thanks
Cube

PittPanther · 07-26-2004, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Trunzo

"Do they all think we're stupid enough to forget?" Nobody thinks any of our customers are stupid, nor are we. We are not in any way, shape or form abandoning the original. More problems are being addressed as we work side-by-side with the RPG version.

Andreas has returned from "holiday" and the first thing we are addressing, which affects both versions is the cut/swelling module. We are going to "place" cuts in many more places (i.e. high on the forehead, bridge of nose, in the eybrow, outside the eyebrow, above the eyebrow, high on the cheek bone, etc.) and each will be assigned a rating for difficulty in stopping the cut, chance of reopening a cut, and potential to force a stoppage.

Swelling will also be overhauled in a similar manner. Stoppages brought about strickly from swelling will be more difficult than before and will require complete closing of one eye or almost complete closing of both eyes.

Work is also being done on a bareknuckles module that would be used with TBCB.

Thanks to the various people who responded to my request to help me isolate some repeated problems, I will be addressing them point-by-point over the next few weeks with Andreas and making sure personally, that they get involved, including the infamous "wrong man punching because of pronoun" problem, the "wrong man down" commentary, etc.

Man, I would LOVE to meet some of you face to face to discuss things. I'll try to post updates as corrections are made and I have seen the proof that this is the case. Then maybe some of you won't have to make assumptions about us abandoning our bread-and-butter boxing simulation.

This is great news, I can't wait.

javier_83 · 07-26-2004, 08:44 PM

Thanks fot that

Cap · 07-26-2004, 11:50 PM

Again, thanks for taking the time to reply, Jim. Maybe I was out of line with the crack about thinking we're stupid, but I was steamed. I wasn't in too good a mood to begin with and something just set me off.

I hope the design team is now ready to address aspects of this great game that have been brought to their attention. That for/against thing can be confusing with knockdowns too, by the way.

A lot of complaints are probably trivial, but they seem like things that should be easy to fix. The confusing "He" thing is a real bummer. Having a cut getting checked once is kinda ludicrous. Having a game called Title Bout Championship Boxing with no sign of the essential symbol of the sport (Heck! Even your logo has a belt!) is ridiculous.

Looking forward to seeing what you guys do next.

Cap

Fallschirmjager · 07-27-2004, 06:50 AM

The Maschoist in me would like to see broken bones added for when particualry viscious blows land.
I would also like to see 'eras' added like in OOTP. Back in the 1910's and 1920's alot of rules were not in place and fighters could take severe damage and the fight would not be stopped.

javier_83 · 07-27-2004, 08:12 PM

and also about the ranking system

mh2365 · 07-27-2004, 08:45 PM

I like to see PP differ when fighting out of weight class. A middleweight fighting a 7 rated LHW shouldn't lose as many points as he would if he lost to a 7 rated MW

crusadecat · 07-27-2004, 09:08 PM

I'm excited to hear about the changes to the cuts/swelling . I feel that it might be too expansive for a fix on this one. But the monontonous commentary really is a kill joy for me. I still enjoy the game and am generally pleased with the end result but a more diverse commentary would really be a nice add.

Antonin · 07-27-2004, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cap

Having a game called Title Bout Championship Boxing with no sign of the essential symbol of the sport (Heck! Even your logo has a belt!) is ridiculous.

Cap

If the title belt issue is ever addressed, I think there should be an option to have each organization's belt look slightly different, and for multiple belts to be associated with fighters who have multiple titles.

We have all seen proudly posing fighters in Ring Magazine wearing one belt around the waist, with another looped over one shoulder and another looped over the other shoulder. To me, an image like that says "dominance."

Buddy Whatshisname · 07-28-2004, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonin

If the title belt issue is ever addressed, I think there should be an option to have each organization's belt look slightly different, and for multiple belts to be associated with fighters who have multiple titles.

We have all seen proudly posing fighters in Ring Magazine wearing one belt around the waist, with another looped over one shoulder and another looped over the other shoulder. To me, an image like that says "dominance."

Here, we differ, Antonin. This plethora of belts is what cheapens the sport. I think there should be one belt for the "Undisputed Champion of the World". You could have the other titles listed with text, but only the REAL title should have a belt.

We should try to form a consensus within the community on this point.

Buddy

07-15-2004, 08:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
Jim Trunzo OOTP Developments Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Leechburg, PA Posts: 740	Please Help "Fix" TBCB: JT's Personal Quest Hello All, Yes, two posts in three days. Must be the new meds the doctor prescribed. I think my previous post implied that Title Bout Championship Boxing was going to be left in the dust in favor of the role-playing game. Nothing could be farther from the truth. TBCB is, and will always be, our main product. I simply meant that we will be making no official updates until we release the next FULL VERSION of TBCB. We work with it alongside the role-playing game. My request is this: Please send any PROBLEM that you feel still exists in TBCB and that has either not been fixed or continues to crop up when it was supposed to have been fixed to my PERSONAL EMAIL at titlebout@alltel.net. The reason for this is that (1) things get lost (all my fault) in the shuffle over here, and (2) I want to go to one place, away from all other related materials to compile a list of things that need fixed. DO NOT send me a Wish List! I don't want Emails saying, "Please add streaming video" or "How about adding Joe Palooka, Rocky, Apollo Creed, etc. to the fighter database." I want mistakes that are still evident, errors that keep occuring, larger problems that mar the game. For the next full version of TBCB, we intend to try to include a comprehensive bare-knuckles module, more options that will affect the rankings (like one to "swap places" with the fighter whom you've beaten or "move winning fighter up 'x' spots and losing fighter down 'x' spots" based upon relative import of the fight and the pre-fight rankings of the fighters involved). We also plan more to add more spoken announcing where it makes sense and is unobtrusive. Finally, some existing modules will be expanded to make them even more valuable. Jim Trunzo

07-15-2004, 09:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	Hi, Jim. If you check over at the Technical Problems forum you'll notice Danny and a couple of other fellas have posted several things you might want to ruminate over. Slante! Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

07-16-2004, 04:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
Gunsmoke All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 945	Excellent news, that was the sort of thing I was talking about in the other thread. Thanks Jim. __________________ Cornerwork the Title Bout Championship Boxing fansite!

07-16-2004, 12:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
timlowery Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Quinton, VA Posts: 221	Awesome news. I'm one of the ones who wouldn't enjoy the RPG as much as I'm enjoying the current flavor of the game. __________________ Timothy Lowery Proud Detroit Tigers fan since 1979!!! It's not one thing after another, it's the same thing all the time....

07-23-2004, 04:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
thebadguy Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ephrata, WA Posts: 429	I think everything is just fine with TBCB. I know you said that you didn't want a wish list, but I think there is one exception. When the original screenshots of TBCB came out, there were pictures of the title belts. I dont think it is out of line to request that something we all thought would be on the game... should be. Do you? Possibly a title history page as well... I dont know if that was in the screenshots or not... but it should have been. Also, too many DQ's... I think. __________________ "You need people like me... you need people like me so you can point your ****ing fingers... and say, thats the badguy!" - Al Pacino (Scarface)

07-18-2004, 08:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
crusadecat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 799	Thats great news. All the ideas you have talked about will be great for the future editions. count me in.

07-25-2004, 12:08 AM	#7 (permalink)
javier_83 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,369	i only want to said that cuts must be changed everytime that is a cut or a swelling is stopped the figth sorry for my bad english :P

07-25-2004, 05:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
Fallschirmjager Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 4,017	I would roll the rpg game into the sequel and up the price to like 60 USD. May cut down on developement costs and speed up the time to get it into our hands. This is the best sports sim I have played and the possibilities are endless. The RPG aspect boggles my mind at how cool it could all turn out if given enough years and new versions.

07-25-2004, 12:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	How about fixing the game we've got first and adding whatever we were promised to get us to buy THIS version? There's no way I'm shelling out more money for something two years down the road when they abandon TBCB. Do they think we are all stupid enough to forget? Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

07-26-2004, 03:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jim Trunzo OOTP Developments Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Leechburg, PA Posts: 740	Cap, why the Vehemence? "Do they all think we're stupid enough to forget?" Nobody thinks any of our customers are stupid, nor are we. We are not in any way, shape or form abandoning the original. More problems are being addressed as we work side-by-side with the RPG version. Andreas has returned from "holiday" and the first thing we are addressing, which affects both versions is the cut/swelling module. We are going to "place" cuts in many more places (i.e. high on the forehead, bridge of nose, in the eybrow, outside the eyebrow, above the eyebrow, high on the cheek bone, etc.) and each will be assigned a rating for difficulty in stopping the cut, chance of reopening a cut, and potential to force a stoppage. Swelling will also be overhauled in a similar manner. Stoppages brought about strickly from swelling will be more difficult than before and will require complete closing of one eye or almost complete closing of both eyes. Work is also being done on a bareknuckles module that would be used with TBCB. Thanks to the various people who responded to my request to help me isolate some repeated problems, I will be addressing them point-by-point over the next few weeks with Andreas and making sure personally, that they get involved, including the infamous "wrong man punching because of pronoun" problem, the "wrong man down" commentary, etc. Man, I would LOVE to meet some of you face to face to discuss things. I'll try to post updates as corrections are made and I have seen the proof that this is the case. Then maybe some of you won't have to make assumptions about us abandoning our bread-and-butter boxing simulation.

07-26-2004, 04:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
cubedrum All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 877	I've noticed that on the fighter's record stat page, that cuts are listed as for/against. The bug here is that the game reverses the two. Thanks Cube __________________ "If you build a man a fire, he stays warm for one day. If you set a man on fire, he stays warm for the rest of his life" - Edgar Frog

07-26-2004, 08:44 PM	#13 (permalink)
javier_83 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,369	Thanks fot that

07-26-2004, 11:50 PM	#14 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	Again, thanks for taking the time to reply, Jim. Maybe I was out of line with the crack about thinking we're stupid, but I was steamed. I wasn't in too good a mood to begin with and something just set me off. I hope the design team is now ready to address aspects of this great game that have been brought to their attention. That for/against thing can be confusing with knockdowns too, by the way. A lot of complaints are probably trivial, but they seem like things that should be easy to fix. The confusing "He" thing is a real bummer. Having a cut getting checked once is kinda ludicrous. Having a game called Title Bout Championship Boxing with no sign of the essential symbol of the sport (Heck! Even your logo has a belt!) is ridiculous. Looking forward to seeing what you guys do next. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

07-27-2004, 06:50 AM	#15 (permalink)
Fallschirmjager Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 4,017	The Maschoist in me would like to see broken bones added for when particualry viscious blows land. I would also like to see 'eras' added like in OOTP. Back in the 1910's and 1920's alot of rules were not in place and fighters could take severe damage and the fight would not be stopped.

07-27-2004, 08:12 PM	#16 (permalink)
javier_83 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,369	and also about the ranking system

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07-27-2004, 08:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	I like to see PP differ when fighting out of weight class. A middleweight fighting a 7 rated LHW shouldn't lose as many points as he would if he lost to a 7 rated MW

07-27-2004, 09:08 PM	#18 (permalink)
crusadecat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 799	I'm excited to hear about the changes to the cuts/swelling . I feel that it might be too expansive for a fix on this one. But the monontonous commentary really is a kill joy for me. I still enjoy the game and am generally pleased with the end result but a more diverse commentary would really be a nice add.