What's Tyson's record in your universe?

hamed · 08-01-2004, 09:32 PM

In mine, he's 11-1-1 & was the IBF champ, he knocked out Sonny Liston in the 8th to win the title.

V. Klitschko knocked Mike out in the 9th to take the title in a give & take battle.

With the old board version of the game, my brother & I built Tyson's record to 43-2. His 2 losses were to Larry Holmes, who won a 12 round decision & George Foreman who stopped Tyson on a 1st round TKO.

meade95 · 08-01-2004, 09:43 PM

In My universe Tyson is 27-2-0 (24 Ko's) - Both his loses coming to Holyfield (in my universe Tyson is only fighting his era and present day boxers) -

He lost to Holyfield via 12rd UNI Dec as well as a rematch loss via 6th rd TKO. (He was down twice, once in the 5th and again in the 6th) -

Fallschirmjager · 08-01-2004, 10:29 PM

38-1 (36) against the active HW, CW and LHW era in my game.
His only loss was against a randomly created HW boxer who has a rating of 13.
Tyson got pummled for three rounds being knocked down 8 times and then a jab opened a cut below his eye in the 4th and the fight was immediatly stoped.

meade95 · 08-01-2004, 11:21 PM

Who has the most Title Defenses in your "boxing universe"?? -

For me it has been Khaosai Galaxy at JBW - He is 24-0-0 (in simmed fights) - All defending his Title - With 22 coming by way of KO - (He Ko'd Mark Johnson in the 8th of a slugfest - great fight)

Also Phichit Singbangprachan ( Real fly weight champion from 1992 till 1994 when he retired undefeated at 21-0 (16 Ko's) -

This guy is a real plodder - Very strong and simply always seems to find a way to win - In my universe he is 15-0-1 (12 KO's) - His draw came against Myung-woo- Yuh (the great JFLY champ with 19 title defenses) I had him move up and try and with the Fly weight title in my universe from Phichit - great fight that ended in a Draw -

meade95 · 08-01-2004, 11:29 PM

Also I should add that Azumah Nelson at JLW has been just about unbeatable - He is 18-1-2 (14 KO's)(one of his draws and his only loss coming to Jeff Fenech via 12rd TKO in an amazing back and forth fight - Fenech was dropped in the 2nd - it was a draw at the time of stoppage in the 12th) -

Fenech at FW has been a terror also in my universe - He is 14-0-1 .(10 Ko's).

hamed · 08-02-2004, 09:33 AM

Fallschirmjager: You have Tyson fighting cruisers & light heavy's, LOL! I'm sure he beats the stuffing out of those guys!

meade95: I know what you mean about Galaxy. I had him as my WBO champ in the old game & made him my IBO champ in the new one. He blew away an "11" Mark Johnson in 2 rounds in 1 defense. In Joo Cho was able to out box Galaxy & took the title away over 15 rounds last month.

Dave1877 · 08-02-2004, 09:37 AM

Just imagine the younger Tyson taking on a LHW, would be a one punch job I think.

hamed · 08-02-2004, 01:11 PM

Remember when Tyson told Roy Jones he didn't want to fight him after Tarver knocked Jones out? Maybe now Jones & Tyson could fight, they both need to redeem themselves.

Tyson also told Tarver he was too strong for him. That could be true, it looked like Williams was taking some heavy blows in the 1st round. I'm not sure Jones or Tarver could have stood up to those punches from Tyson.

meade95 · 08-02-2004, 04:26 PM

Hamed - I've had Galaxy fight In Joo Cho in my universe as well - Galaxy defended his title Vs him 2 fights ago (as a matter of fact) - Cho did box well against him for the first 4 rds but then the pressure of Galaxy began to take over - Galaxy TKO'd him in the 9th - (was winning on 2 of 3 cards at the time of stoppage).

hamed · 08-02-2004, 05:11 PM

Well meade95, I'm sorry to say your results are bogus & my result is the "real thing".

I'm just kidding man! Actually, Cho was in trouble early in that fight but weathered the storm & boxed & actually backed up Galaxy on occasion.

I think I read that you like to follow some of the lower weight classes, me too! I have some big punchers @ Straw, Bantam, etc. & they're fun to follow & fight!

meade95 · 08-02-2004, 05:50 PM

Hamed - Agree the lower weight guys are a blast to have fight -

I have been thinking of moving Ricardo Lopez up to take on Galaxy - But I think Galaxy would be a bit to much for him -

I'm really surprised Cho won in yours - I have about a dozen of Galaxy's fights on tape (VHS) - and so perhaps I have tweaked his ratings a bit....(can't remeber now...but I do know Galaxy was under valued in an earlier version of TF2001) -

No way in real life would Cho been able to beat Galaxy (IMO) - I mean of course on any given night it could happen (which is way this game is fun)...but I'd be willing to bet...98 out of 100 times Galaxy beats Cho in the real world....

Fallschirmjager · 08-02-2004, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hamed

Fallschirmjager: You have Tyson fighting cruisers & light heavy's, LOL! I'm sure he beats the stuffing out of those guys!

Not nessacarily. He hasnt fought any decent LHW's or CW's in his current 38-1 span.
Tyson with his 8 rating is near the top of all those weight classes.
I matched him up against every historical LHW and CW with an overall rating of 8 and over and he only won 40% of his fights.
An excellent LHW can move up in weight class and pound away on any HW if he has the right stats.
In my current universe my HW champion is actually a LHW who is a Gene Tunney type with average power but excellent defense and extremly quick hands and an accurate puncher.
He steals round easily just by landing so many shots.
Power punching is a great asset but its overated.
I would take great defense and fast handspeed anytime over being a hard hitting slugger.
In the current HW era if you create a boxer with -4,-5 or -6 defense and match him with good punching and counterpunching stats he will dominate all three weight classes.
Im sure the same would apply to the real life division right now as well. Its filled with slow oafish sluggers.

Cap · 08-02-2004, 11:43 PM

Yeah, youse got dat right! I'm trying to picture Gene Tunney at 190 trying to avoid the rushes of a monster like Tyson or Frazier. Tunney was slick, but he never fought any of the earlier gifted black heavies like Langford, Jeannette or Wills. Hard to say if he could repeat his victories over guys like Gibbons, Carpentier, Risko, etc. with Harry Wills or Big George Godfrey, or even Larry Gains. Most of the heavies he fought were what would pass as small cruisers now.

Cap

hamed · 08-03-2004, 09:21 AM

Fall: OK, I was thinking of the 13 or 12 rated Tyson, @ 8 it would be more of a fight for him.

meade95: Moving Lopez up would be interesting but you're right, Galaxy probably would be too tough. You're also right, maybe he does beat Cho 98 out of 100 so I was lucky to see that fight. How did you get all those Galaxy fights? I've heard of him but never seen him fight.

By the way, to answer your question about most title defenses, I had to do some checking.

In my computer world, Gatti made 12 defenses of his IBF Jr. Light title before Genero Hernandez knocked him out in the 4th round. Quartey made 11 defenses of his WBA Welter title before moving up to 154. Juan Carlos Gomez is still my WBC Cruiser champ & has 10 title defenses & counting.

I also checked my old board game stats.

Coming in @ #3 is Salvador Sanchez @ 25-0-1. He defended his WBA Feather title 15 times. He had a draw with Juan LaPorte then won 25 straight.

#2 Marvin Hagler (45-3) & made 16 defenses of his WBA Middleweight belt.

#1 Sugar Ray Leonard (28-0) made 17 defenses of his WBA Welter belt. I didn't realize he just beat out Hagler's record - even in my game they were apparently rivals.

When I first got the game, I used the old time yellow cards & crowned a WBC champ from that group & the modern/current fighters fought for the WBA belts.

Fallschirmjager · 08-03-2004, 04:26 PM

I thought we were simming the current Tyson.
It shows the current state of the HW division that he is 38-1 in my universe.

Against the current Tyson the LHW Tunney won 75% of 100 matches.
Against the old 13 rated Tyson he won only 10%.

This of course got me thinking and I did more testing.
I moved Tysons agressivness down to 1 which made him an overall 12 and then matched him against the stock LHW Tunney and Tunney won 80% of the matches.
I moved the LHW Tunneys control factor to 15 vs Sluggers and reset the 13 overall Tyson and matched him against Tunney.
Tunney won 70% of those matches.

Then I remembered (duh...

) that the game provides us with a HW version of Tunney that is a 13 overall.
I matched him against the 13 overall Tyson for 100 matches and Tunney won 70% of them.
So at least in game terms my point is proven

.
Good defense and quick hands win out over hitting power and bull rushes.

hamed · 08-03-2004, 05:50 PM

I actually have Tysons rated as a 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13.

When he lost his IBF title to V. Klitschko, I used the "6" Tyson because that's the same rating I had for Klitschko @ that time. I might fight the 10 Tyson against my 10 L. Lewis or my 7 Tyson against my 7 M. Spinks. Should make for some entertaining bouts!

meade95 · 08-03-2004, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hamed

meade95: Moving Lopez up would be interesting but you're right, Galaxy probably would be too tough. You're also right, maybe he does beat Cho 98 out of 100 so I was lucky to see that fight. How did you get all those Galaxy fights? I've heard of him but never seen him fight.

I bought the Galaxy tapes from a guy from NJ years ago (while Galaxy was still fighting ...early 90's) -

He is something else - Usually constantly coming forward - has power in both hands - lethal straight left and a great right hook (he is a southpaw) - He punches well to the body - early rounds he goes after the guys body - He's defense is lacks at times (I'd say a 2 rating is accurate in the game) - His endurance is very good - never seems to tire - (a 9 rating for sure) - I've seem him knocked down twice (both were flash type knockdowns...he wasn't hurt) - in fact I've haven't even seen him really shook up in any of the bouts on tape I have - He takes punches very well and keeps coming -

He simply overwhelms fighters that stand and trade with him.....and boxers he simply wears down by constantly cutting off the ring and landing body blows until they slow down...then he goes upstaris and takes them out -

Galaxy is very built for a JBW (like many Thai fighters he's built and cut) - He has very broad shoulders for a guy his size -

After talking about him with you I just went and watched 3 of his fights I have on tape.....He was something else -

No doubt in my mind he KO's Carbajal & Mark Johnson from the States -

meade95 · 08-04-2004, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hamed

By the way, to answer your question about most title defenses, I had to do some checking.

In my computer world, Gatti made 12 defenses of his IBF Jr. Light title before Genero Hernandez knocked him out in the 4th round. Quartey made 11 defenses of his WBA Welter title before moving up to 154. Juan Carlos Gomez is still my WBC Cruiser champ & has 10 title defenses & counting.

I also checked my old board game stats.

Coming in @ #3 is Salvador Sanchez @ 25-0-1. He defended his WBA Feather title 15 times. He had a draw with Juan LaPorte then won 25 straight.

#2 Marvin Hagler (45-3) & made 16 defenses of his WBA Middleweight belt.

#1 Sugar Ray Leonard (28-0) made 17 defenses of his WBA Welter belt. I didn't realize he just beat out Hagler's record - even in my game they were apparently rivals.

The Most defenses for me has been Galaxy with 25 defenses (he just made one today Vs Jose Navarro - Galaxy won via 9th rd KO ) -

Outside of him - Evander Holyfield has made 11 defenses - Jeff Fenech has made 12 at FW and 3 at JLW (15 total) - Sung Kil Moon at JBW has made 14 Defenses (I might have him and Galaxy finally get it on) - Azumah Nelson has made 16 Defenses - and Sor Vorapin Ratanapol at Straw-weight has made 15 defenses his only loss in my universe coming to Ricardo Lopez ....Lopez KO'd him in 3.....but Lopez was down in Rd 2 himself.

Bronx Bomber 15 · 08-04-2004, 03:48 AM

25 for Galaxy! That's very impressive, I've yet to have a dominant Champion like that (except for Ray Robinson).

As for Mike Tyson, he stands at 46-17-0 in the WCB. The majority of those losses came to top fighters like Larry Holmes, Jack Johnson, Ali, etc. Prior to TF2001, he was almost unbeatable (when he was a "13"). I also utilized career stage, and once he hit the post prime stage, he was being beaten by lesser fighters, which accounts for his slide in the rankings (he's down around 35 now).

On title defenses, Ray Robinson has the most consecutive with 12 (of the welterweight title). He's retired now, and no one has come close to hitting that mark, not even Ali although he has held the heavyweight crown three times.

However, using TBCB this could all change. I'm using more fighters and have had a few surprises along the way, quite a few fighters running up impressive undefeated records against credible opposition.

Haven't been simming in quite some time, need to get back into the flow of things real soon.

hamed · 08-04-2004, 09:50 AM

meade95: Thanks for the Galaxy report! I've seen pics of him & he looks like a pretty solid guy & I think his nickname was/is "Little Tyson". Did you ever fight his brother Kaokor @ Bantam? He has a 9HP & is 6-2-2 in my world.

25 defenses? Impressive! After a while, a guy who is so dominant becomes boring to me. I almost enjoy it more when some of my champs could be beat. For instance, this weekend I'm going to have Mike Pusatari defend his IBO Middleweight title. He has a big punch but a suspect chin. Fighters like that are like Rocky movies because you never know who's going to hit the deck, when they're going to do it & will they get back up?

08-01-2004, 09:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
hamed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	What's Tyson's record in your universe? In mine, he's 11-1-1 & was the IBF champ, he knocked out Sonny Liston in the 8th to win the title. V. Klitschko knocked Mike out in the 9th to take the title in a give & take battle. With the old board version of the game, my brother & I built Tyson's record to 43-2. His 2 losses were to Larry Holmes, who won a 12 round decision & George Foreman who stopped Tyson on a 1st round TKO.

08-02-2004, 11:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	Yeah, youse got dat right! I'm trying to picture Gene Tunney at 190 trying to avoid the rushes of a monster like Tyson or Frazier. Tunney was slick, but he never fought any of the earlier gifted black heavies like Langford, Jeannette or Wills. Hard to say if he could repeat his victories over guys like Gibbons, Carpentier, Risko, etc. with Harry Wills or Big George Godfrey, or even Larry Gains. Most of the heavies he fought were what would pass as small cruisers now. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

08-04-2004, 03:48 AM	#19 (permalink)
Bronx Bomber 15 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: LI, NY Posts: 761	25 for Galaxy! That's very impressive, I've yet to have a dominant Champion like that (except for Ray Robinson). As for Mike Tyson, he stands at 46-17-0 in the WCB. The majority of those losses came to top fighters like Larry Holmes, Jack Johnson, Ali, etc. Prior to TF2001, he was almost unbeatable (when he was a "13"). I also utilized career stage, and once he hit the post prime stage, he was being beaten by lesser fighters, which accounts for his slide in the rankings (he's down around 35 now). On title defenses, Ray Robinson has the most consecutive with 12 (of the welterweight title). He's retired now, and no one has come close to hitting that mark, not even Ali although he has held the heavyweight crown three times. However, using TBCB this could all change. I'm using more fighters and have had a few surprises along the way, quite a few fighters running up impressive undefeated records against credible opposition. Haven't been simming in quite some time, need to get back into the flow of things real soon. __________________ EMPIRE BOXING Houston Astros Dynasy page *Harass me directly*

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08-01-2004, 09:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
meade95 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,789	In My universe Tyson is 27-2-0 (24 Ko's) - Both his loses coming to Holyfield (in my universe Tyson is only fighting his era and present day boxers) - He lost to Holyfield via 12rd UNI Dec as well as a rematch loss via 6th rd TKO. (He was down twice, once in the 5th and again in the 6th) -

08-01-2004, 10:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
Fallschirmjager Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 4,017	38-1 (36) against the active HW, CW and LHW era in my game. His only loss was against a randomly created HW boxer who has a rating of 13. Tyson got pummled for three rounds being knocked down 8 times and then a jab opened a cut below his eye in the 4th and the fight was immediatly stoped.

08-01-2004, 11:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
meade95 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,789	Who has the most Title Defenses in your "boxing universe"?? - For me it has been Khaosai Galaxy at JBW - He is 24-0-0 (in simmed fights) - All defending his Title - With 22 coming by way of KO - (He Ko'd Mark Johnson in the 8th of a slugfest - great fight) Also Phichit Singbangprachan ( Real fly weight champion from 1992 till 1994 when he retired undefeated at 21-0 (16 Ko's) - This guy is a real plodder - Very strong and simply always seems to find a way to win - In my universe he is 15-0-1 (12 KO's) - His draw came against Myung-woo- Yuh (the great JFLY champ with 19 title defenses) I had him move up and try and with the Fly weight title in my universe from Phichit - great fight that ended in a Draw -

08-01-2004, 11:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
meade95 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,789	Also I should add that Azumah Nelson at JLW has been just about unbeatable - He is 18-1-2 (14 KO's)(one of his draws and his only loss coming to Jeff Fenech via 12rd TKO in an amazing back and forth fight - Fenech was dropped in the 2nd - it was a draw at the time of stoppage in the 12th) - Fenech at FW has been a terror also in my universe - He is 14-0-1 .(10 Ko's).

08-02-2004, 09:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
hamed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Fallschirmjager: You have Tyson fighting cruisers & light heavy's, LOL! I'm sure he beats the stuffing out of those guys! meade95: I know what you mean about Galaxy. I had him as my WBO champ in the old game & made him my IBO champ in the new one. He blew away an "11" Mark Johnson in 2 rounds in 1 defense. In Joo Cho was able to out box Galaxy & took the title away over 15 rounds last month.

08-02-2004, 09:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
Dave1877 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Posts: 488	Just imagine the younger Tyson taking on a LHW, would be a one punch job I think.

08-02-2004, 01:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
hamed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Remember when Tyson told Roy Jones he didn't want to fight him after Tarver knocked Jones out? Maybe now Jones & Tyson could fight, they both need to redeem themselves. Tyson also told Tarver he was too strong for him. That could be true, it looked like Williams was taking some heavy blows in the 1st round. I'm not sure Jones or Tarver could have stood up to those punches from Tyson.

08-02-2004, 04:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
meade95 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,789	Hamed - I've had Galaxy fight In Joo Cho in my universe as well - Galaxy defended his title Vs him 2 fights ago (as a matter of fact) - Cho did box well against him for the first 4 rds but then the pressure of Galaxy began to take over - Galaxy TKO'd him in the 9th - (was winning on 2 of 3 cards at the time of stoppage).

08-02-2004, 05:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
hamed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Well meade95, I'm sorry to say your results are bogus & my result is the "real thing". I'm just kidding man! Actually, Cho was in trouble early in that fight but weathered the storm & boxed & actually backed up Galaxy on occasion. I think I read that you like to follow some of the lower weight classes, me too! I have some big punchers @ Straw, Bantam, etc. & they're fun to follow & fight!

08-02-2004, 05:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
meade95 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,789	Hamed - Agree the lower weight guys are a blast to have fight - I have been thinking of moving Ricardo Lopez up to take on Galaxy - But I think Galaxy would be a bit to much for him - I'm really surprised Cho won in yours - I have about a dozen of Galaxy's fights on tape (VHS) - and so perhaps I have tweaked his ratings a bit....(can't remeber now...but I do know Galaxy was under valued in an earlier version of TF2001) - No way in real life would Cho been able to beat Galaxy (IMO) - I mean of course on any given night it could happen (which is way this game is fun)...but I'd be willing to bet...98 out of 100 times Galaxy beats Cho in the real world....

08-03-2004, 09:21 AM	#14 (permalink)
hamed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Fall: OK, I was thinking of the 13 or 12 rated Tyson, @ 8 it would be more of a fight for him. meade95: Moving Lopez up would be interesting but you're right, Galaxy probably would be too tough. You're also right, maybe he does beat Cho 98 out of 100 so I was lucky to see that fight. How did you get all those Galaxy fights? I've heard of him but never seen him fight. By the way, to answer your question about most title defenses, I had to do some checking. In my computer world, Gatti made 12 defenses of his IBF Jr. Light title before Genero Hernandez knocked him out in the 4th round. Quartey made 11 defenses of his WBA Welter title before moving up to 154. Juan Carlos Gomez is still my WBC Cruiser champ & has 10 title defenses & counting. I also checked my old board game stats. Coming in @ #3 is Salvador Sanchez @ 25-0-1. He defended his WBA Feather title 15 times. He had a draw with Juan LaPorte then won 25 straight. #2 Marvin Hagler (45-3) & made 16 defenses of his WBA Middleweight belt. #1 Sugar Ray Leonard (28-0) made 17 defenses of his WBA Welter belt. I didn't realize he just beat out Hagler's record - even in my game they were apparently rivals. When I first got the game, I used the old time yellow cards & crowned a WBC champ from that group & the modern/current fighters fought for the WBA belts.

08-03-2004, 04:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
Fallschirmjager Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 4,017	I thought we were simming the current Tyson. It shows the current state of the HW division that he is 38-1 in my universe. Against the current Tyson the LHW Tunney won 75% of 100 matches. Against the old 13 rated Tyson he won only 10%. This of course got me thinking and I did more testing. I moved Tysons agressivness down to 1 which made him an overall 12 and then matched him against the stock LHW Tunney and Tunney won 80% of the matches. I moved the LHW Tunneys control factor to 15 vs Sluggers and reset the 13 overall Tyson and matched him against Tunney. Tunney won 70% of those matches. Then I remembered (duh... ) that the game provides us with a HW version of Tunney that is a 13 overall. I matched him against the 13 overall Tyson for 100 matches and Tunney won 70% of them. So at least in game terms my point is proven . Good defense and quick hands win out over hitting power and bull rushes.

08-03-2004, 05:50 PM	#16 (permalink)
hamed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	I actually have Tysons rated as a 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13. When he lost his IBF title to V. Klitschko, I used the "6" Tyson because that's the same rating I had for Klitschko @ that time. I might fight the 10 Tyson against my 10 L. Lewis or my 7 Tyson against my 7 M. Spinks. Should make for some entertaining bouts!

08-04-2004, 09:50 AM	#20 (permalink)
hamed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	meade95: Thanks for the Galaxy report! I've seen pics of him & he looks like a pretty solid guy & I think his nickname was/is "Little Tyson". Did you ever fight his brother Kaokor @ Bantam? He has a 9HP & is 6-2-2 in my world. 25 defenses? Impressive! After a while, a guy who is so dominant becomes boring to me. I almost enjoy it more when some of my champs could be beat. For instance, this weekend I'm going to have Mike Pusatari defend his IBO Middleweight title. He has a big punch but a suspect chin. Fighters like that are like Rocky movies because you never know who's going to hit the deck, when they're going to do it & will they get back up?