Holyfield Is A Bum!!!!!!!!!!!

[TysonFan82]

It has always been my unwavering opinion that Holyfield was a whole lot of nothing and it was proved true this past Saturday. I was priveleged to witness the "Real Deal" this weekend. The Real Deal being a major ass whupping of Evander "ImmaHeadButta" Holyfield. Holyfield is a bum not worthy of the praise reeped upon him. He is a bloated cruiserweight who came upon the heavyweight division at the right time and place. He has always wilted when faced with good competition (Bowe, Moore, Lewis, Toney) and has embarrassed himself against medium classed fighters (Donald, Cyz, Byrd). Holyfield is a mediocre fighter who happened to have some breaks in his career that prevented the real Holyfield from surfacing long enough to force him into mediocrity.

Lets review, first he comes onto the heavyweight scene and is planning a Tyson showdown. Lucky for him an unprepared and un dedicated Tyson drops the title to Douglas. Holyfield steps up and takes on Douglas who comes in 30 pds overweight and gets knocked out. Instead of taking on Tyson next Holyfield dodges him for the bigger challenge of George Foreman. Wow thats the sign of true champ, picking on the old people. Well Tyson ends up going to prison and the big showdown never occurs. A showdown that I am 110 % sure would have resulted in the end of Holyfields career as a competitive heavyweight. Instead another break for Holy.

Holyfield then aggrees to meet Riddick Bowe. Bowe a pretty decent fighter takes it to the Holy one and whipps his ass. Holyfield for the first time is beaten. Does he take his loss like a champ, of course not he makes excuses. Bowe tours the world and eventually Holyfield gets a re-match. And again another lucky break happens: Fan man. The match is a see saw match after Fan Man comes into the ring and Bowe loses a close decision due to the fact that 1) his wife was taken to the hospital and he was distracted and 2) Fan Man interrupted the ass kicking he was administering. Well what happens to old Holy's career? It meets a fella named Michael Moore. Moore kicks his ass piller to post and once again Holyfield is left titleless and spewing excuses. "oh my heart, blah, blah, blah" Turns out it was bullsh@t and he just lost.

Next Holyfield floats around talking **** and he eventually signs to meet Bowe in a third match. This time Bowe wastes no time and knocks Evander out. Again we hear lots of excuses and reasons why Evander just doesnt have it anymore. Evander then puts up a uninspired win against Bobby Cyz and he finds himself facing the current WBA Champ my man Mike Tyson. By this stage in his career Holyfield had developed a secret weapon: His head. In this fight we get to see a great display of how to cheat and get away with it as Holyfield headbutts his way to a 11th round TKO. Its also good to note that Tyson came into this fight with little training and many years past his peak condition. Well now Holyfield is like a god. He's praised as the greatest and people begin supporting him like never before. The funny thing is that up until this point he hadnt really beaten anyone of note except Bowe and that was by far controversial.

Well Holyfield/Tyson 2 is signed and this time Tyson decides to train and get himself ready. He too knows Holy is a bum and has never earned the accolades being reeped upon him. He too knows Holy is one of the sneakiest cheaters in the sport. I mean to have all those "accidental butts" in one match. Come on!!! Well Tyson/Holyfield 2 takes place and once again Holyfield is invovled in controversy. The fight had begun with Tyson coming out fast to be met with a even more aggresive Holyfield ready to do some serious head butting. Especially since he knew he had is compadre Mills Lane(the ref who cried when Holy lost to Bowe). By the second round Holy had cutt Mike a butt and it was looking like this could be an even earlier night than before as Holyfields head was doing a fine job ruling the night. Finally in the 3rd Tyson decided to throw caution to the wind and came right out to Holyfield. With Holyfield stunned and ready to go Holyfield did the only thing he knew how to do, He headbutted. Tyson, angry and with a cut getting bigger by every butt struck back. He bit him and not once but twice in response to the headbuts. He sent a message that if the ref wont do nothing about it and the world refuses to recognize it I will settle this on my terms. Instead of fighting on Holyfield quit and let his boy ol' Millsy stop the fight and save him once again from the ass kicking that was waiting for him.


Following the "Bite Fight" Holyfields popularity shot through the roof. He was now not just Evander Holyfield Heavyweight Champ. He was a warrior and he was fearless. People ignored the fact that he had cheated more in both Tyson fights than most fighters do in there careers. They ignored that he was using his head as battering ram at will. Well Holyfield went on to put up a uninspiring win against Michael Moore and then signed for a showdown with Lennox Lewis. A fight many Holyfield fans felt was going to seal his greatness. Instead it sealed what a bum he was and what a crock of **** boxing is. Holyfield was dominated by Lewis who got robbed and was given a draw. Of course the excuses came flying out of the Holyfield corner and an immeadiate rematch was signed. This time Holyfield was exposed as a 4 carat bum and was beaten convincingly in a 12 round decision by Lewis.

Following this loss Holyfield of course had many more excuses. Never conceding that it could just be that he is not a great fighter. People still took to ranking him among the greats even though he had achieved very little against worthy opposition. Then Holyfield got a oppurtunity to fight John Ruiz for the vacated WBA title. The same title he had just had his ass whupped for against Lewis. Holyfield then proceeded to unleash the single cruelest thing ever done to Boxing fans in the sports history: Allowed Ruiz to gain the title. In the first fight Holyfield put up an abysmal showing and was given a gift and was declared the first 4 time heavyweight champ. Even though he had not even beaten the real champ to gain it. Instead of retiring Holyfield inexplicably agreed to face Ruiz for a rematch. This time Ruiz handed Holy his ass and made sure the judges couldnt rob him again by flooring Holyfield in the 11th. Ruiz was then crowned WBA champ beggining the worst title reign in the sports history. In shock and believing his own excuses Holyfield decided to face Ruiz once again. This time the fight was so terrible that the judges couldnt even declare a winner and a draw was declared.

Dejected and beggining to wonder if his critics were right and that he really was just a mediocre fighter who caught some good breaks and could never hang with the real contenders Holyfield decided to take on Hasim Rahman. This time Holyfield planned on making sure that there would be no mistaking who was going to win. He brought back his secret weapon: the head but. And boy did it work. He succeeded in headbutting his way to a early stoppage as Rahman's eye swelled up to the size of a watermelon and the fight had to be stopped. Holyfield, content with his win, went on to claim inexplicably that this was a great performance and signified he was back.

That winter he then signed to meet Chris Byrd for the vacant IBF title. Leading up to the fight Holyfield and his supporters all believed he was back and was on the verge of a 5th championship. In there mind Holyfield had proven that his secret weapon was in top form. They knew that when Holyfields head was prepared properly he never lost. Then, Byrd shocked them. He fought on the outside and used his jab to confuse and fluster Holyfield. Holyfield, unable to use his secret weapon due to Byrd fighting on the outside, began getting frustrated. The result was a decision for Byrd and Holyfield once again coming up short against formidable competition.

Now feeling somewhat lost and unsure of what next to do Holyfield decides to go pick on some cruiserweights thinking they may be a little easier to handle. So he signs a fight with James Toney and what happens Toney hands him his ass knocking him out in the 9th. Following the match Holyfield claims training had been an issue and that he just needs to re-dedicate himself. He takes year off and then returned this weekend. Once again speaking of titles and shocking the world. Then of course, as usual, lost. This time against a journey man heavyweight who was only 5 years younger. And once again we hear the excuses, the reasons for this and that. And we even hear people saying they are shocked and speaking of his great career.

I laugh when I hear this. It is funny for me to think that boxing fans will so blindly give there support and addulation to a fighter who has achieved nothing. He has never had a win against a top fighter who was in his prime. Holyfield is the classic fighter who fights the bums for titles and the big names after there prime. He's a classic great on paper but not in substance fighter. I encourage everyone to read my thread carefully. Then get out some old Holyfield fights and watch what I am saying. He has cheated and bummed his way into the hearts of boxing fans everywhere. He is no warrior or great fighter. He's a mediocre fighter who has always lost to any formidable opposition that has come before him.

I know many will claim Tyson has never beaten anyone. To that I say one name: Michael Spinks. Spinks was a fighter in his prime expected to win and Tyson tore him apart. It was the fight that made him. What fight made Holy? Beating a overweight journey man named Douglas? Losing to Bowe? Beating Bowe in the rematch after FanMan interfered? Beating a undertrained and past his prime Tyson with the assistance of his head? Losing to Lewis? Losing to Byrd? Losing to Toney? I dont know but it sure seems Holyfield has done a lot of losing. Consider these questions and give me some feed back. I am interested to read everyones thoughts on Holyfield and how they feel about my perspective.

[Bam Bam]

Originally Posted by TysonFan82

It has always been my unwavering opinion that Holyfield was a whole lot of nothing and it was proved true this past Saturday. I was priveleged to witness the "Real Deal" this weekend. The Real Deal being a major ass whupping Evander "ImmaHeadButta" Holyfield. Holyfield is a bum not worthy of the praise reeped upon him. He is a bloated cruiserweight who came upon the heavyweight division at the right time and place. He has always wilted when faced with good competition (Bowe, Moore, Lewis, Toney) and has embarrassed himself against medium classed fighters (Donald, Cyz, Byrd). Holyfield is a mediocre fighter who happened to have some breaks in his career that prevented the real Holyfield from surfacing long enough to force him into mediocrity. Lets review, first he comes onto the heavyweight scene and is planning a Tyson showdown. Lucky for him an unprepared and un dedicated Tyson drops the title to Douglas. Holyfield steps up and takes on Douglas who comes in 30 pds overweight and gets knocked out. Instead of taking on Tyson next Holyfield dodges him for the bigger challenge of George Foreman. Wow thats the sign of true champ, picking on the old people. Well Tyson ends up going to prison and the big showdown never occurs. A showdown that I am 110 % sure would have resulted in the end of Holyfields career as a competitive heavyweight. Instead another break for Holy. Holyfield then aggrees to meet Riddick Bowe. Bowe a pretty decent fighter takes it to the Holy one and whipps his ass. Holyfield for the first time is beaten. Does he take his loss like a champ, of course not he makes excuses. Bowe tours the world and eventually Holyfield gets a re-match. And again another lucky break happens: Fan man. The match is a see saw match after Fan Man comes into the ring and Bowe loses a close decision due to the fact that 1) his wife was taken to the hospital and he was distracted and 2) Fan Man interrupted the ass kicking he was administering. Well what happens to old Holy's career? It meets a fella named Michael Moore. Moore kicks his ass piller to post and once again Holyfield is left titleless and spewing excuses. "oh my heart, blah, blah, blah" Turns out it was bullsh@t and he just lost. Next Holyfield floats around talking **** and he eventually signs to meet Bowe in a third match. This time Bowe wastes no time and knocks Evander out. Again we hear lots of excuses and reasons why Evander just doesnt have it anymore. Evander then puts up a uninspired win against Bobby Cyz and he finds himself facing the current WBA Champ my man Mike Tyson. By this stage in his career Holyfield had developed a secret weapon: His head. In this fight we get to see a great display of how to cheat and get away with it as Holyfield headbutts his way to a 11th round TKO. Its also good to note that Tyson came into this fight with little training and many years past his peak condition. Well now Holyfield is like a god. He's praised as the greatest and people begin supporting him like never before. The funny thing is that up until this point he hadnt really beaten anyone of note except Bowe and that was by far controversial. Well Holyfield/Tyson 2 is signed and this time Tyson decides to train and get himself ready. He too knows Holy is a bum and has never earned the accolades being reeped upon him. He too knows Holy is one of the sneakiest cheaters in the sport. I mean to have all those "accidental butts" in one match. Come on!!! Well Tyson/Holyfield 2 takes place and once again Holyfield is invovled in controversy. The fight had begun with Tyson coming out fast to be met with a even more aggresive Holyfield ready to do some serious head butting. Especially since he knew he had is compadre Mills Lane(the ref who cried when Holy lost to Bowe). By the second round Holy had cutt Mike a butt and it was looking like this could be an even earlier night than before as Holyfields head was doing a fine job ruling the night. Finally in the 3rd Tyson decided to throw caution to the wind and came right out to Holyfield. With Holyfield stunned and ready to go Holyfield did the only thing he knew how to do, He headbutted. Tyson, angry and with a cut getting bigger by every butt struck back. He bit him and not once but twice in response to the headbuts. He sent a message that if the ref wont do nothing about it and the world refuses to recognize it I will settle this on my terms. Instead of fighting on Holyfield quit and let his boy ol' Millsy stop the fight and save him once again from the ass kicking that was waiting for him. Following the "Bite Fight" Holyfields popularity shot through the roof. He was now not just Evander Holyfield Heavyweight Champ. He was a warrior and he was fearless. People ignored the fact that he had cheated more in both Tyson fights than most fighters do in there careers. They ignored that he was using his head as battering ram at will. Well Holyfield went on to put up a uninspiring win against Michael Moore and then signed for a showdown with Lennox Lewis. A fight many Holyfield fans felt was going to seal his greatness. Instead it sealed what a bum he was and what a crock of **** boxing is. Holyfield was dominated by Lewis who got robbed and was given a draw. Of course the excuses came flying out of the Holyfield corner and an immeadiate rematch was signed. This time Holyfield was exposed as a 4 carat bum and was beaten convincingly in a 12 round decision by Lewis. Following this loss Holyfield of course had many more excuses. Never conceding that it could just be that he is not a great fighter. People still took to ranking him among the greats even though he had achieved very little against worthy opposition. Then Holyfield got a oppurtunity to fight John Ruiz for the vacated WBA title. The same title he had just had his ass whupped for against Lewis. Holyfield then proceeded to unleash the single cruelest thing ever done to Boxing fans in the sports history: Allowed Ruiz to gain the title. In the first fight Holyfield put up an abysmal showing and was given a gift and was declared the first 4 time heavyweight champ. Even though he had not even beaten the real champ to gain it. Instead of retiring Holyfield inexplicably agreed to face Ruiz for a rematch. This time Ruiz handed Holy his ass and made sure the judges couldnt rob him again by flooring Holyfield in the 11th. Ruiz was then crowned WBA champ beggining the worst title reign in the sports history. In shock and believing his own excuses Holyfield decided to face Ruiz once again. This time the fight was so terrible that the judges couldnt even declare a winner and a draw was declared. Dejected and beggining to wonder if his critics were right and that he really was just a mediocre fighter who caught some good breaks and could never hang with the real contenders Holyfield decided to take on Hasim Rahman. This time Holyfield planned on making sure that there would be no mistaking who was going to win. He brought back his secret weapon: the head but. And boy did it work. He succeeded in headbutting his way to a early stoppage as Rahman's eye swelled up to the size of a watermelon and the fight had to be stopped. Holyfield, content with his win, went on to claim inexplicably that this was a great performance and signified he was back. That winter he then signed to meet Chris Byrd for the vacant IBF title. Leading up to the fight Holyfield and his supporters all believed he was back and was on the verge of a 5th championship. In there mind Holyfield had proven that his secret weapon was in top form. They knew that when Holyfields head was prepared properly he never lost. Then, Byrd shocked them. He fought on the outside and used his jab to confuse and fluster Holyfield. Holyfield, unable to use his secret weapon due to Byrd fighting on the outside, began getting frustrated. The result was a decision for Byrd and Holyfield once again coming up short against formidable competition. Now feeling somewhat lost and unsure of what next to do Holyfield decides to go pick on some cruiserweights thinking they may be a little easier to handle. So he signs a fight with James Toney and what happens Toney hands him his ass knocking him out in the 9th. Following the match Holyfield claims training had been an issue and that he just needs to re-dedicate himself. He takes year off and then returned this weekend. Once again speaking of titles and shocking the world. Then of course, as usual, lost. This time against a journey man heavyweight who was only 5 years younger. And once again we hear the excuses, the reasons for this and that. And we even hear people saying they are shocked and speaking of his great career. I laugh when I hear this. It is funny for me to think that boxing fans will so blindly give there support and addulation to a fighter who has achieved nothing. He has never had a win against a top fighter who was in his prime. Holyfield is the classic fighter who fights the bums for titles and the big names after there prime. He's a classic great on paper but not in substance fighter. I encourage everyone to read my thread carefully. Then get out some old Holyfield fights and watch what I am saying. He has cheated and bummed his way into the hearts of boxing fans everywhere. He is no warrior or great fighter. He's a mediocre fighter who has always lost to any formidable opposition that has come before him. I know many will claim Tyson has never beaten anyone. To that I say one name: Michael Spinks. Spinks was a fighter in his prime expected to win and Tyson tore him apart. It was the fight that made him. What fight made Holy? Beating a overweight journey man named Douglas? Losing to Bowe? Beating Bowe in the rematch after FanMan interfered? Beating a undertrained and past his prime Tyson with the assistance of his head? Losing to Lewis? Losing to Byrd? Losing to Toney? I dont know but it sure seems Holyfield has done a lot of losing. Consider these questions and give me some feed back. I am interested to read everyones thoughts on Holyfield and how they feel about my perspective.

holy crap, thats a post and a half, hit enter Tyson fan and space it out a bit, hard to read. Havent read the post yet but judging from the title you will be hearing from Badguy soon lol

[mh2365]

Well that's one point of view. Do you think paragraphs are bums also?

[Bam Bam]

ok, after reading your book, you're obviously pretty down on Holyfield. A few things I agree with.

1.Holyfield does make alot of excuses seems to have a distorted view of his own reality. But then again, most boxers are like that anyway.

2. He has never been at the pinnacle, he's never had that one fight that told the world he is the best Heavyweight there is.

but he's not a bum, that's ridiculous. you're gonna get hammered now by hardcore Vander fans lol

[Dave1877]

Can't be bothered to read all of that, way too long to read without paragraphs!

But saying Holyfield is a bum is ridiculous, is this a wind up? He's just another example of a fighter who is way past his best and should have retired a long time ago.

[GForce]

Originally Posted by TysonFan82

Well what happens to old Holy's career? It meets a fella named Michael Moore. Moore kicks his ass piller to post...

You'd think this Moore guy would have stuck to boxing instead of making ****ty documentaries and backing losing presidential candidates.

GH

[erickdamac]

I wouldnt call him a bum but I would call him a liar, and a crazy man Also I would have to call him over-rated as well.

[TysonFan82]

It has always been my unwavering opinion that Holyfield was a whole lot of nothing and it was proved true this past Saturday. I was priveleged to witness the "Real Deal" this weekend. The Real Deal being a major ass whupping of Evander "ImmaHeadButta" Holyfield. Holyfield is a bum not worthy of the praise reeped upon him. He is a bloated cruiserweight who came upon the heavyweight division at the right time and place. He has always wilted when faced with good competition (Bowe, Moore, Lewis, Toney) and has embarrassed himself against medium classed fighters (Donald, Cyz, Byrd). Holyfield is a mediocre fighter who happened to have some breaks in his career that prevented the real Holyfield from surfacing long enough to force him into mediocrity.

Lets review, first he comes onto the heavyweight scene and is planning a Tyson showdown. Lucky for him an unprepared and un dedicated Tyson drops the title to Douglas. Holyfield steps up and takes on Douglas who comes in 30 pds overweight and gets knocked out. Instead of taking on Tyson next Holyfield dodges him for the bigger challenge of George Foreman. Wow thats the sign of true champ, picking on the old people. Well Tyson ends up going to prison and the big showdown never occurs. A showdown that I am 110 % sure would have resulted in the end of Holyfields career as a competitive heavyweight. Instead another break for Holy.

Holyfield then aggrees to meet Riddick Bowe. Bowe a pretty decent fighter takes it to the Holy one and whipps his ass. Holyfield for the first time is beaten. Does he take his loss like a champ, of course not he makes excuses. Bowe tours the world and eventually Holyfield gets a re-match. And again another lucky break happens: Fan man. The match is a see saw match after Fan Man comes into the ring and Bowe loses a close decision due to the fact that 1) his wife was taken to the hospital and he was distracted and 2) Fan Man interrupted the ass kicking he was administering. Well what happens to old Holy's career? It meets a fella named Michael Moore. Moore kicks his ass piller to post and once again Holyfield is left titleless and spewing excuses. "oh my heart, blah, blah, blah" Turns out it was bullsh@t and he just lost.

Next Holyfield floats around talking sh*t and he eventually signs to meet Bowe in a third match. This time Bowe wastes no time and knocks Evander out. Again we hear lots of excuses and reasons why Evander just doesnt have it anymore. Evander then puts up a uninspired win against Bobby Cyz and he finds himself facing the current WBA Champ my man Mike Tyson. By this stage in his career Holyfield had developed a secret weapon: His head.

In this fight we get to see a great display of how to cheat and get away with it as Holyfield headbutts his way to a 11th round TKO. Its also good to note that Tyson came into this fight with little training and is many years past his peak condition. Well now Holyfield is like a god. He's praised as the greatest and people begin supporting him like never before. The funny thing is that up until this point he hadnt really beaten anyone of note except Bowe and that was by far controversial. Well Holyfield/Tyson 2 is signed and this time Tyson decides to train and get himself ready.

He too knows Holy is a bum and has never earned the accolades being reeped upon him. He too knows Holy is one of the sneakiest cheaters in the sport. I mean to have all those "accidental butts" in one match. Come on!!! Well Tyson/Holyfield 2 takes place and once again Holyfield is invovled in controversy. The fight had begun with Tyson coming out fast to be met with a even more aggresive Holyfield ready to do some serious head butting. Especially since he knew he had is compadre Mills Lane(the ref who cried when Holy lost to Bowe). By the second round Holy had cutt Mike a butt and it was looking like this could be an even earlier night than before as Holyfields head was doing a fine job ruling the night. Finally in the 3rd Tyson decided to throw caution to the wind and came right out to Holyfield. With Holyfield stunned and ready to go Holyfield did the only thing he knew how to do, He headbutted. Tyson, angry and with a cut getting bigger by every butt struck back. He bit him and not once but twice in response to the headbuts.

Tyson sent a message that if the ref wont do nothing about it and the world refuses to recognize it I will settle this on my terms. Instead of fighting on Holyfield quit and let his boy ol' Millsy stop the fight and save him once again from the ass kicking that was waiting for him. Following the "Bite Fight" Holyfields popularity shot through the roof. He was now not just Evander Holyfield "Heavyweight Champ". He was a warrior and he was fearless. People ignored the fact that he had cheated more in both Tyson fights than most fighters do in there careers. They ignored that he was using his head as battering ram at will.

Well Holyfield went on to put up a uninspiring win against Michael Moore and then signed for a showdown with Lennox Lewis. A fight many Holyfield fans felt was going to seal his greatness. Instead it sealed what a bum he was and what a crock of sh*t boxing is. Holyfield was dominated by Lewis who got robbed and was given a draw. Of course the excuses came flying out of the Holyfield corner and an immeadiate rematch was signed. This time Holyfield was exposed as a 4 carat bum and was beaten convincingly in a 12 round decision by Lewis.

Following this loss Holyfield of course had many more excuses. Never conceding that it could just be that he is not a great fighter. People still took to ranking him among the greats even though he had achieved very little against worthy opposition. Then Holyfield got a oppurtunity to fight John Ruiz for the vacated WBA title. The same title he had just had his ass whupped for against Lewis. Holyfield then proceeded to unleash the single cruelest thing ever done to Boxing fans in the sports history: Allowed Ruiz to gain the title.

In the first fight Holyfield put up an abysmal showing and was given a gift and was declared the first 4 time heavyweight champ. Even though he had not even beaten the real champ to gain it. Instead of retiring Holyfield inexplicably agreed to face Ruiz for a rematch. This time Ruiz handed Holy his ass and made sure the judges couldnt rob him again by flooring Holyfield in the 11th. Ruiz was then crowned WBA champ beggining the worst title reign in the sports history.

In shock and believing his own excuses Holyfield decided to face Ruiz once again. This time the fight was so terrible that the judges couldnt even declare a winner and a draw was declared. Dejected and beggining to wonder if his critics were right and that he really was just a mediocre fighter who caught some good breaks and could never hang with the real contenders Holyfield decided to take on Hasim Rahman.

This time Holyfield planned on making sure that there would be no mistaking who was going to win. He brought back his secret weapon: the head but. And boy did it work. He succeeded in headbutting his way to a early stoppage as Rahman's eye swelled up to the size of a watermelon and the fight had to be stopped. Holyfield, content with his win, went on to claim inexplicably that this was a great performance and signified he was back.

That winter he then signed to meet Chris Byrd for the vacant IBF title. Leading up to the fight Holyfield and his supporters all believed he was back and was on the verge of a 5th championship. In there mind Holyfield had proven that his secret weapon was in top form. They knew that when Holyfields head was prepared properly he never lost. Then, Byrd shocked them. He fought on the outside and used his jab to confuse and fluster Holyfield. Holyfield, unable to use his secret weapon due to Byrd fighting on the outside, began getting frustrated. The result was a decision for Byrd and Holyfield once again coming up short against formidable competition.

Now feeling somewhat lost and unsure of what next to do Holyfield decides to go pick on some cruiserweights thinking they may be a little easier to handle. So he signs a fight with James Toney and what happens Toney hands him his ass knocking him out in the 9th. Following the match Holyfield claims training had been an issue and that he just needs to re-dedicate himself. He takes a year off and then returned this weekend, once again speaking of titles and shocking the world. Then of course, as usual, lost. This time against a journey man heavyweight who was only 5 years younger. And once again we hear the excuses, the reasons for this and that. And we even hear people saying they are shocked and speaking of his great career.

I laugh when I hear this. It is funny for me to think that boxing fans will so blindly give there support and addulation to a fighter who has achieved nothing. He has never had a win against a top fighter who was in his prime. Holyfield is the classic fighter who fights the bums for titles and the big names after there prime. He's a classic great on paper but not in substance fighter. I encourage everyone to read my thread carefully. Then get out some old Holyfield fights and watch what I am saying.


He has cheated and bummed his way into the hearts of boxing fans everywhere. He is no warrior or great fighter. He's a mediocre fighter who has always lost to any formidable opposition that has come before him. I know many will claim Tyson has never beaten anyone. To that I say one name: Michael Spinks. Spinks was a fighter in his prime expected to win and Tyson tore him apart. It was the fight that made him. What fight made Holy? Beating a overweight journey man named Douglas? Losing to Bowe? Beating Bowe in the rematch after FanMan interfered? Beating a undertrained and past his prime Tyson with the assistance of his head? Losing to Lewis? Losing to Byrd? Losing to Toney? I dont know but it sure seems Holyfield has done a lot of losing. Consider these questions and give me some feed back. I am interested to read everyones thoughts on Holyfield and how they feel about my perspective.

[thebadguy]

Dont worry TysonFan, you'll hear my perspective! As soon as MY book is finished, I will prove each and every one of your points wrong. And it wont be hard... your post is motivated by the fact that you're having a REALLY hard time accepting the fact that Holyfield beat the sh!+ out of your guy.... TWICE!! About the headbutting: That whole thing became a very popular excuse for Holyfield opponents after the Tyson fight. After the first fight, even Tyson said that head butts are "part of boxing" and that "he headbutted me a few times, but I probably headbutted him too." NO ONE ever complained about butts from Holyfield until Tyson started ranting about it after he started getting his a$$ kicked the second time around. Instead of fighting back like a true and noble champion would have... he bit Holyfields ears and then used the headbutt excuse. After that, it was very convenient for other fighters to jump on the headbutting bandwagon... VERY convenient! Tyson... what a classy guy!

[TysonFan82]

Bad Guy

I look forward to reading your response and seeing how you twist reality like most Holyfield fans do. Bottom line is that Holyfield is a cheater and bum. Tyson defended himself as any man should have against a cheating scumbag like the "Holy" one. Your response should be interesting.

[brokendown78]

Yes Tysonfan, Tyson did exactly what you should do against a guy who "headbutted" him, he bit him. What else is there to do? Talk to the reff? Pull an Ali and headbut back a little? No, as Tyson proved, you should bite your opponent. That will surely have no consequences. I never fought Holyfield so I don't know if he did 'headbutt,' although he was one of the most skilled inside fighters I've ever witnessed, and most inside fighters foul a bit more than outside fighters, look at Frazier, Marciano, and Holyfield even.

By the way, for the idiots out there, I was being sarcastic talking about Tyson.

[darthpb]

If Tyson had Evander's heart and chin he could have been the greatest of all time; however, he DOESN'T!!! Don't be hatin' Evander just because Tyson screwed his career up...as a matter of fact since Evander beat Buster, FOreman, Bowe, Tyson TWICE, who exactly is the best fighter Tyson beat???? ANd when????? Tysonfan is a little biased; we all know that, but don't hate Evander, please....

[Mudster]

wow..another rant thread. fact is, the real holyfield-tyson fight never got to take place when both fighters were in their primes. it was scheduled, but then got side tracked with tyson getting upset by douglas and then going to jail (memory might be failing me, but i believe that was the situation). that would've been a great fight to see, although i'm not sure holyfield's warrior style of fighting could've held up against a prime tyson. saying that holyfield is a bum, though, is simply a very biased opinion. the man has fought wars in the ring, and although hasn't always had the best outcome, he would always jump right back on his horse. he has the heart of a lion and is probably the most courageous fighter that the heavyweight division has had in the last 30 years. i really do wish he would hang up the gloves now though. it hurts to see fighters keep trying to reclaim their past glory once they've lost the skills to be on top. if you let him, don king will use holyfield's name on his fight cards until holyfield finally gets pounded into a coma. if king were to tell holyfield that it was over, i bet evander would finally hang them up, but that isn't going to happen.

[thebadguy]

Even I admit that my opinions about Holyfield are more from the heart than from the mind. But even so, my opinion of his greatness and his place in history are pretty much on par with most boxing experts.

TysonFan82 is refusing to acknowledge that his opinion is clouded. This thread was started by a guy who is boiling over with resentment and anger towards Holyfield. Do you really expect us to believe that Holyfield headbutted his way to his wins over Tyson? You're simply unbelievable man! You're a classless act just like your thug fighter, Tyson. Sorry... you're gonna have to live with it, Holyfield beat Tyson very convincingly in the first fight... and was on his way to doing the same the 2nd time around! A desperate Tyson then pulled off the most embarrasing moment in sports, when h bit him. Also, Holyfield was pleading with Mills Lane to let the fight continue, but Lane wasn't going to let that disgrace continue... did that just happen to slip your mind?

Holyfield would have kicked Tyson's ass in the early 90's as well... but your boy also turned out to be a rapist. Tyson should be grateful he was even allowed to fight after that... especially against someone with the character, dignity and class of someone like Holyfield. Mike only used the headbutting excuse after the 2nd fight looked like it was going to be an even shorter night for him. After the first fight, even Tyson said that he headbutted Holyfield too and that they are part of boxing... it happens.

How convenient for Tyson.... how convenient.

[Bam Bam]

Originally Posted by thebadguy

Holyfield would have kicked Tyson's ass in the early 90's as well... but your boy also turned out to be a rapist. Tyson should be grateful he was even allowed to fight after that... especially against someone with the character, dignity and class of someone like Holyfield. Mike only used the headbutting excuse after the 2nd fight looked like it was going to be an even shorter night for him. After the first fight, even Tyson said that he headbutted Holyfield too and that they are part of boxing... it happens.

How convenient for Tyson.... how convenient.

Since when are boxers classy ...Boxers make the NBA look like the PGA lol

Mike was taken advantage of by everyone. There are LOTS of false accusations, especially from women looking to cash in, but he's no saint and brought alot of that trouble upon himself.

This thread jsut won't die heh

[Bam Bam]

Originally Posted by darthpb

If Tyson had Evander's heart and chin he could have been the greatest of all time; however, he DOESN'T!!! Don't be hatin' Evander just because Tyson screwed his career up...as a matter of fact since Evander beat Buster, FOreman, Bowe, Tyson TWICE, who exactly is the best fighter Tyson beat???? ANd when????? Tysonfan is a little biased; we all know that, but don't hate Evander, please....

I guess it would be Clifford Etienne-woot! lol

naa, hmm..Spinks? loooooong time ago

[thebadguy]

Holyfield, if nothing else... has always been a classy fighter.

[erickdamac]

Badguy I agree holyfield would have beaten tyson if they fought in the early 90s but if they fought anywhere from 85-89 Tyson wins big.


Besides tyson fan you dont want to call the man who beat your man ass a bum because if he loses to bums then what the hell is he?

[Jim_Kidd]

Originally Posted by erickdamac

Badguy I agree holyfield would have beaten tyson if they fought in the early 90s but if they fought anywhere from 85-89 Tyson wins big.


Besides tyson fan you dont want to call the man who beat your man ass a bum because if he loses to bums then what the hell is he?

Tyson's prime ended when the big money affected his dedication to training.
Even after his prime, Tyson took a lot of punishment before hitting the floor. Couple that with the great defense he had in his prime and you get a picture of how good the guy was. In his prime, he was one of the most dominant fighters is the division's long history.

The speed and power of his combination punching is what really set him apart from fighters like Frazier, Marciano, etc. You'd have to go back to Jack Dempsey to find a similar type of ring ferocity.

I don't see a prime Tyson losing to a prime Holyfield (the Heavyweight version). Ali himself said Tyson in his prime was "awesome."

Most fans, myself included, believed the version of Tyson who fought in Tyson-Holyfield 1, was closer to his prime than was actually the case. Now, it's common knowledge that Tyson only trained 2 weeks for the first Holyfield fight.

It's easy if you watch films of any of his fights to see which version of Tyson was present in each one. There was a big difference from 1990 onward. The prime version (1980's) even clubbed the body when being tied up. The post prime version didn't. He fell into clinches and rested. The prime version threw combos - 2, 3, 4 punches at a time with great power. He threw double to triple uppercuts.

Experts and ringside said the sound of the impact of Tyson's punches were different than they were used to hearing.

The post prime version didn't any of the above. Maybe a few times a FIGHT as opposed to throughout a single round. Without proper conditioning and training... you don't have to wonder why.

That doesn't mean I'm trying to knock Holyfield. Heart problem or not, something was causing a normally energetic fighter to suddenly run out of gas. If there was ever a guy dedicated to training, Holyfield was it. To be honest, I couldn't stand Riddick Bowe. I was glad when Holyfield beat him. In the 3rd fight, he had Bowe just about out before he ran out of gas (all of a sudden). But a lose is a lose.

On the All-Time List, I would put Tyson ahead of Holyfield. He tore through the division, convincingling knocking out just about everyone along the way and became the youngest champ ever. No controversial decision wins. No being extended by bums or over-the-hill ex-champs.

Those who grabbed and clutched their way to the final bell were never even in it on the scorecards.

What would you give for that kind of fighter to appear in the division today?

Bryd, Ruiz, Golata, Holyfield, etc. would all be left snoozing within 5.


Jim

[erickdamac]

I agree with the above post.