Sailor Tom Sharkey Missing Opponents Fighter Pack

[djday45]

Have just sent to Cornerwork the finished Tom Sharkey pack containing 35 files mostly heavyweights from the career of Tom Sharkey.

Should be available to downloadd soon.

Now on two Jimmy Barry.

rgds
Dean

[CONN CHRIS]

Great! I can't wait to download the pack.

Have you considered doing one on Willie Pep? It would be daunting considering the volume of opponents, but would flesh out some LW/FW/BW fighters from three decades.

[djday45]

Ta Chris,
well i am trying to be disciplined about it and concentrate on fighters from the 1890-1920 era so Pep falls out of that for now but yes i agree he is def one i will get to eventually.

rgds
dean

[Mark42661]

Dean,

Thank you very much for the Tom Sharkey pack. I appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule to do this.

Mark

Edit comment: Just wanted to add that I agree completely with your re-rating of some of Tom Sharkey's attributes. I did feel that he was a bit under-rated in the game. I've always felt that he was one of the greatest heavyweights never to win a world title. In fact, many boxing historians say that he was almost an exact replica of Rocky Marciano...although it may be more correct to say that Rocky Marciano was almost an exact replica of Tom Sharkey.

Thanks again,
Mark

[djday45]

Thks Mark,
It's always a bit scary when you rerate an established fighter already well known in the game and im glad you like his rerating. Taking into account the descriptions of Sharkey simply meant he had to be rerated as you say time and time again he is stated as one of the greatest heavies never to win the title. He was jsut unlucky he could not handle an even greater champ at the time Jeffries.

I have done the same for other fighters such as Dixon, McGovern, O'Dowd etc and it seems to me the further back you go the greater the inaccuracies however this is just my own opinion as ever and do not want to set myself up as knowing better than Jim etc. The ratings just work for me and if they work for you great. If they dont, well dont use em lol.

Now onto Jimmy Barry.

rgds
Dean

[mh2365]

Good work, I'll be able to split these guys up into HW and LHW which will add to my LHW #'s

The only thing I saw was jeffords clinching was 0

[mh2365]

mexican pete everett

[Cap]

I've really bounced around over the years in my regard for Tom Sharkey. He was a rough and tumble fighter with almost no defence (read some of the contemporary blow-by-blow). He made up for his deficiencies with tremendous knockout power in either hand, a granite chin and a willingness to take punishment to hand out his own. The two losses to Fitzsimmons were the result of a terrific shot to the gut, likely similar to what felled Corbett. The losses to Ruhlin were again due to hard blows to the body (and alcohol-abuse outside the ring).

A careful look at Sharkey's record shows few wins over creditable opponents early in his career. Nick Burley was a pretty good light heavyweight. Alex Greggains was a fighter with some skills, enough to eke out a draw with the sailor. Joe Goddard had started on the road to ruin by the time Sharkey put his lights out in 1897. As for Joe Choynski, their first meeting ended in a win for Sharkey simply because Joe had signed a contract stipulating that he must knock Sharkey out to win. By the time they met the third time, Choynski had dropped many rungs on the contenders' ladder (although he did manage to knock-out Jack Johnson the following year). Sharkey's biggest win was probably his first-round KO of the young Akron Giant, Gus Ruhlin, at Coney Island in 1898. His best performance was likely his first fight with Jim Jeffries, where many spectators thought he had won. Fireman Jim Flynn was said to be a great admirer of the squat sailor.

Cap

[Cap]

Here, by the way, is Greggains.

[Rondo_GE]

Originally Posted by djday45

Have just sent to Cornerwork the finished Tom Sharkey pack containing 35 files mostly heavyweights from the career of Tom Sharkey.

Should be available to downloadd soon.

Now on two Jimmy Barry.

rgds
Dean

I would be interested to see how you rate Jim Jeffries.

Jim appears to be underated in this game (from memory). Here is a guy who could run the 100 in just over 10 seconds when the world record was close to that and jump over 6 feet in the high jump, when the world record was only an inch or two more. He had an incredible chin, a near perfect body...



and a ton of endurance a stamina. His style was also ahead of it's time since he fought from a crouch.

[djday45]

yep, agreed he is underated, here is my own rating I use.

rgds
Dean

[Hootowl 9]

Charles "Kid" McCoy HW
"The Corkscrew Kid"
Thought I would post the information I came across on this turn of the century HW that I believe is in the Tom Sharkey fighter pack from Dean?
(Still can't get into boxrec from fighter page in the game?)

Born: Oct. 13, 1872
Died: April 18, 1940
Total Bouts: 107
Won: 86
Lost: 6
Drew: 6
KOs: 64
No Decisions: 6
No Contests: 3
Induction: 1991
Charles "Kid" McCoy was a clever and popular fighter at the turn of the century. He is credited with inventing the corkscrew punch, which was thrown while rotating the fist.
It is also believed that the term, "The Real McCoy" evolved into the usage of the Enlish language because of him. To gain a psychological advantage over his opponents, McCoy feined illness before several bouts or he would spread the word to the media that he neglected training. On fight night, much to the surprise of the press and his opponents, McCoy was usually fit and ready to fight. Thus, reporters often asked, "Is this the real McCoy?"

In 1896, McCoy knocked out welterweight champion Tommy Ryan won by disqualification over former welterweight champion Mysterious Billy Smith. In 1897, McCoy won the middleweight title vacated by Bob Fitzsimmons when he knocked out Dan Creedon in the 15th round.

McCoy often fought heavyweights and beat such notables as Joe Choynski and Peter Maher. But in 1900 he was knocked out in five rounds by James J. Corbett, the former heavyweight king. Then, in 1903, he challenged for the light heavyweight title but lost to champion Jack Root.

After leaving the ring, McCoy tried acting but didn't find the same success. He then began dating Theresa Mors, a wealthy antique dealer who happened to be married. Mors fell for McCoy and began divorce proceedings. As the proceedings dragged on, Theresa Mors was shot and killed in the apartment she shared with McCoy on August 12, 1924. McCoy was charged with the murder and was found guilty of manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years in prison. In 1940, three years after he was released from jail, McCoy took an overdose of sleeping pills and died.

[wildhawke11]

Tex Rickard the old promoter stated.
The greatest fighter he ever saw was Jim Jeffries he went on to add he loved Jack Dempsey and made a lot of money out of Jack but if they had met at prime his money would be on Jeffries.
He again added loved to have seen a prime Jeffries in the ring with Johnson not the 40% old fellow that did turn up.
At the moment i am half way through a large book with reports from over 70 ring mags from the past.

Its strange to be reading two or three pages talking about the modern fighter when there talking in the 20s or 30s.

[bear]

Wildhawke
It is fascinating to read materials written during that era when fighters like Mickey Walker, Harry Greb and Tiger Flowers were active and in their primes complaining about the deplorable condition of the middle weight class since the untimely death of Stanley Ketchel. Makes one take pause and reflect.

Is the book you're reading the Best of the Ring?
Bear

Originally Posted by wildhawke11

Tex Rickard the old promoter stated.
The greatest fighter he ever saw was Jim Jeffries he went on to add he loved Jack Dempsey and made a lot of money out of Jack but if they had met at prime his money would be on Jeffries.
He again added loved to have seen a prime Jeffries in the ring with Johnson not the 40% old fellow that did turn up.
At the moment i am half way through a large book with reports from over 70 ring mags from the past.

Its strange to be reading two or three pages talking about the modern fighter when there talking in the 20s or 30s.