Draft of Universal Weight Division Modifications

Gunsmoke · 01-13-2005, 01:55 AM

Hi Guys,

Attached to this post is a word document file documenting a system I am currently testing to universally modify fighters up and down the weight classes. Please note that these modification are meant to be approximations, rather than accurate ratings much like the career stages mechanic. Feel free to have a look and let me know what you think.

Look forward to everyone's comments,

Mark

djday45 · 01-13-2005, 04:46 AM

hi Mark,
I lke it a lot, well done wel thought out, and I particuarly like only taking the original 8 classes into account.

rgds
Dean

mh2365 · 01-13-2005, 05:10 AM

Let me know how any testing goes ... my other problem is when to move fighters up. Do some move because they just can't win the title or because they have held the title to long..... maybe we need a chart saying when to go

Gunsmoke · 01-14-2005, 01:33 AM

I think there are three seperate situations when it comes to moving up in weight:

Champions: Mostly move when they have run out of big paydays in their current division. I believe you've already got that covered in your current rules for the LBA.

Contenders: Contenders might move divisions if they just can not beat the current champ. Maybe if they've lost against the current champ more than once in title bouts then there is a percentage chance of a move.

"Random" moves: These are the sort things like a fighter no longer able to make weight etc. I beleive you have that situation covered already as well.

Mark

mh2365 · 01-14-2005, 01:48 AM

I'll have to come up with something, because I have yet to move anyone up but I have a few solid candidates ... maybe I'll do it at years end every year with people who meet the above criteria having a % chance of moving up ... I'll think about it

djday45 · 01-14-2005, 03:03 AM

Mark,
been giving it some thought and the only thng i would consider adding is the conditioning rating of the fighter.

If a fighter has a rating at his natural weight of 1-3 (fighters with cond ratings of 5 plus should not be amended as they are very specific). It should increase by 1 for each weight class jump until it reaches cond 4.

The classic example of this would be Duran whose natural weight would be lightweight and with every jump in weight his body got more podgy and out of shape.

This would give fighters rising in weight more chances to be out of condition as they were overe there natural weight.

thoughts?

rgds
Dean

Gunsmoke · 01-14-2005, 06:04 AM

Dean,

Conditioning is an interesting rating. Initially I included conditioning in the alterations as a fighter went up in weight, but I removed it after the initial phases of testing.

The main reason I removed it is that Conditioning relates to more than just a fighters fitness. It represents things like desire, professionalism and other more esoteric things than just a fighters fitness. So I wondered whether it was really representative to say that if a fighter moves up in weight he was more likely to be out of condition?? Maybe... maybe not. So I took the safe course and decided it remained the same.

I do think however that we should represent the fact the fighter boxing above or below his natural weight would be more likely to blow up earlier in fights. Maybe the adjustments need to be made to Endurance. Say each move away from a fighter's natural weight incurs a -1 to Endurance.

What do you think?

Mark

mh2365 · 01-25-2005, 06:06 PM

Gunsmoke · 01-25-2005, 06:51 PM

Ok Mike I get the message!!!

My testing has gone well, I just have to update the document. I found that Dean's suggestion for the Conditioning worked better than my idea about Endurance. So I would suggest that you include that adjustment in your end of year weight class moves, otherwise everything hangs together. I'll update the doco, probably over the weekend.

mh2365 · 01-25-2005, 08:26 PM

Actually I just bumped it because I was getting ready to use it and I wanted it on the first page ... LOL

Oh yeah I decided the fighters I pick will have a 30% chance of moving up. But I'll add 10% if they are a former champ. 10% if they are a current champ, +2% for each title defense. 5% for over 25 fights. 5% avg rank top 5.

So for example Joe Gans in my universe will try and move up. He'll have 30% + 10% (current champ) + 26 % (title defenses) + 5% (over 25 fights) + 5% (avg rank top 5) = 76% chance.

He would be high end which I think is good because I don't want alot of movement but in cases where they have dominated the division it'll be rather easy.

mh2365 · 02-12-2005, 01:59 PM

time for a bump ....

Gunsmoke · 02-12-2005, 06:35 PM

Great minds think alike

I finally posted the final version of the document on Cornerwork this morning. You can find it in the Miscellaneous section of the Downloads page.

Mark

01-14-2005, 01:33 AM	#4 (permalink)
Gunsmoke All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 945	I think there are three seperate situations when it comes to moving up in weight: Champions: Mostly move when they have run out of big paydays in their current division. I believe you've already got that covered in your current rules for the LBA. Contenders: Contenders might move divisions if they just can not beat the current champ. Maybe if they've lost against the current champ more than once in title bouts then there is a percentage chance of a move. "Random" moves: These are the sort things like a fighter no longer able to make weight etc. I beleive you have that situation covered already as well. Mark __________________ Cornerwork the Title Bout Championship Boxing fansite!

01-14-2005, 06:04 AM	#7 (permalink)
Gunsmoke All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 945	Dean, Conditioning is an interesting rating. Initially I included conditioning in the alterations as a fighter went up in weight, but I removed it after the initial phases of testing. The main reason I removed it is that Conditioning relates to more than just a fighters fitness. It represents things like desire, professionalism and other more esoteric things than just a fighters fitness. So I wondered whether it was really representative to say that if a fighter moves up in weight he was more likely to be out of condition?? Maybe... maybe not. So I took the safe course and decided it remained the same. I do think however that we should represent the fact the fighter boxing above or below his natural weight would be more likely to blow up earlier in fights. Maybe the adjustments need to be made to Endurance. Say each move away from a fighter's natural weight incurs a -1 to Endurance. What do you think? Mark __________________ Cornerwork the Title Bout Championship Boxing fansite!

01-25-2005, 06:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
Gunsmoke All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 945	Ok Mike I get the message!!! My testing has gone well, I just have to update the document. I found that Dean's suggestion for the Conditioning worked better than my idea about Endurance. So I would suggest that you include that adjustment in your end of year weight class moves, otherwise everything hangs together. I'll update the doco, probably over the weekend. __________________ Cornerwork the Title Bout Championship Boxing fansite!

01-25-2005, 08:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Actually I just bumped it because I was getting ready to use it and I wanted it on the first page ... LOL Oh yeah I decided the fighters I pick will have a 30% chance of moving up. But I'll add 10% if they are a former champ. 10% if they are a current champ, +2% for each title defense. 5% for over 25 fights. 5% avg rank top 5. So for example Joe Gans in my universe will try and move up. He'll have 30% + 10% (current champ) + 26 % (title defenses) + 5% (over 25 fights) + 5% (avg rank top 5) = 76% chance. He would be high end which I think is good because I don't want alot of movement but in cases where they have dominated the division it'll be rather easy. Last edited by mh2365 : 01-25-2005 at 08:42 PM.

02-12-2005, 06:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
Gunsmoke All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 945	Great minds think alike I finally posted the final version of the document on Cornerwork this morning. You can find it in the Miscellaneous section of the Downloads page. Mark __________________ Cornerwork the Title Bout Championship Boxing fansite!

01-13-2005, 04:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
djday45 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,006	hi Mark, I lke it a lot, well done wel thought out, and I particuarly like only taking the original 8 classes into account. rgds Dean

01-13-2005, 05:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Let me know how any testing goes ... my other problem is when to move fighters up. Do some move because they just can't win the title or because they have held the title to long..... maybe we need a chart saying when to go

01-14-2005, 01:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	I'll have to come up with something, because I have yet to move anyone up but I have a few solid candidates ... maybe I'll do it at years end every year with people who meet the above criteria having a % chance of moving up ... I'll think about it

01-14-2005, 03:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
djday45 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,006	Mark, been giving it some thought and the only thng i would consider adding is the conditioning rating of the fighter. If a fighter has a rating at his natural weight of 1-3 (fighters with cond ratings of 5 plus should not be amended as they are very specific). It should increase by 1 for each weight class jump until it reaches cond 4. The classic example of this would be Duran whose natural weight would be lightweight and with every jump in weight his body got more podgy and out of shape. This would give fighters rising in weight more chances to be out of condition as they were overe there natural weight. thoughts? rgds Dean

01-25-2005, 06:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	bump

02-12-2005, 01:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	time for a bump ....

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