Looking for the Weights

[Arlie Latham]

In the fighter's database on this forum, I see actual weights listed for the fighters, but I do not see weights listed in the game, just weight categories. My reasoning for this is that I am creating a Superheavyweight Division of fighters 225 and over.

My heavyweight category is 190 to 224. This creates a wide range from Floyd Patterson, Jack Johnson, Joe Frazier, etc. to today's cruiserweights.

Can anyone help me with this weight listing problem? Are they somewhere in the game and I am just missing them?

[CONN CHRIS]

Unfortunately, there are no fields for weight in the game. The on-line data base was set up in anticipation of the release of TBCB2.

If you can find the weights through another source, you could probably use the "groups" feature in the current game to create a "super heavyweight" division if you wanted to.

I think that a few very minor sanctioning organizations actualy do have super heavy divisions. It seems to me that Mitch "Blood" Green won a belt like that at one point and never defended it. That might have just been a bad dream though, I can't recall which.

[Arlie Latham]

Thanks for the quick reply. Anyone have a good boxer's encyclopedia that lists a fighter's weight during his prime? I can think of many fighters 225 and over who qualify but I might miss some.

[Arlie Latham]

I mean, the superheavyweight division will be a blast, especially with their suave, golden poster boy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primo_Carnera

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by Arlie Latham

Thanks for the quick reply. Anyone have a good boxer's encyclopedia that lists a fighter's weight during his prime? I can think of many fighters 225 and over who qualify but I might miss some.

Boxrec.com http://207.44.250.6/ lists hieght and reach for virtualy everyone. It also lists weigh-in weight for individual matches that the boxer fought if they were available. It will not be complete, but may be a good start for you.

[CONN CHRIS]

Here's a near - 300 pound goon for you to use as a punching bag in your little super heavyweight world if you like - have fun

[erickdamac]

Yes no weights or heights, this is the most important thing in boxing, this is why Leonard had to fight Hearns as a slugger because of the height diffrence, If they are the same height (as the game will have it) then leonard would been able to be the boxer while Hearns had to play his role as the slugger, This must be fixed, because in the Roleplaying version, If I make a guy at 210, and I have him lifting weights for 3 months I want to see him add weight on, this give the game a tale of the tape, which will make it more realistic since this is what this game was going after.

[Arlie Latham]

I decided to raise my super heavyweight limit to 235. Anyone know of any minor current fighters or past fighters that weighed this? I have Primo Carnera and Jess Willard from the past and fighters like Bowe, Valuev, the Klitschko brothers, etc. from the current crop. I even included ol' Ivan Drago, who looks like he weighed 235. I had to adjust his ratings, a boxer in his prime (Creed was clearly a has-been, or Clubber would not have told him to get that bad look off his face before he knocked it off) would take Drago apart.

[bear]

Arlie
Off the top of my head there are Ed Dunkhorst, the Human Freight Car; a Dutchman named Plaak that got starched by Kid McCoy; Victrio Compolo, and Ray Impellietre (sp?). Ben Morosz was around 7 feet and probably fills your bill. Ring magazine featured an article on giant boxers sometime around 1934. It was reprinted in The Best of the Ring edited by Weston and available in a couple of editions. I'll dig my copy out and add to the list. I believe I've downloaded files on any of these guys not included in the original database from either this forum or from Cornerwork. Based on my own reading of Ring magazines from the 40s I'd San francisco heavyweight Turkey Thompson into this mix. Reports on his bouts constantly mentioned his being out of shape, bloated, and rotund. Willie Meehan wasn't too svelte either. During Meehan's prime bouts in California were limited to four rounds. This was about all he could go, sort of a latter day Butterbean.

Bear

Originally Posted by Arlie Latham

I decided to raise my super heavyweight limit to 235. Anyone know of any minor current fighters or past fighters that weighed this? I have Primo Carnera and Jess Willard from the past and fighters like Bowe, Valuev, the Klitschko brothers, etc. from the current crop. I even included ol' Ivan Drago, who looks like he weighed 235. I had to adjust his ratings, a boxer in his prime (Creed was clearly a has-been, or Clubber would not have told him to get that bad look off his face before he knocked it off) would take Drago apart.

[bear]

Arlie
I've got some more names and weights for you. The following were given in the 1977 Ring Record Book in the section "Giant boxers". I include only those 235 or over and have excluded those who I recognized as participants in the pre-Queensbury London Prize Ring. Not all may have been rated for the game.

Gil Anderson 7' 250, Buddy Baer 6' 6 1/2" 245, Leo Batiste 6' 10" 315, Jim Beattie 6' 8" 235, Clyde Biggerstaff 6' 3" 340, Jim Cully 7' 4" 275, Ed Dunkhorst 6' 3" 290, George Godfrey (The Leiperville Shadow) 6' 3" 245, Ray Impellitierre 6' 7 1/2" 270, Henry Johnson 7' 2" 265, Robin "Tiny" Lee 6' 7" 265, Terry Lewis 6' 7" 240, Milo Maligoli 7' 270, Buster Mathis 6' 3" 242, Ben Moroz 7' 1" 302, Carl Morris 6' 4" 235, Bruce Olson 6' 4" 265, George Parmentier 6' 6" 240, Harry J. Plaacke 6' 5 3/4" 235, Ewart Potgieter 7' 2" 326, John Rankin 7' 4" 269, Pat Redmond 6' 4" 240, Eleazor Rioux 6' $ 1/4" 248, Jose Santa 6' 6 1/2" 247, Ralph Schneider 6' 4" 235, Abe Simon 6' 4" 250, Gilbert Stormquist 6' 8 1/2 250, Jack Torrance 6' 4" 240, Jess Willard 6' 6 1/4" 252, and Bearcat Wright 6' 7" 250.
Gilbert Odd's Boxing Encyclopedia provides names of some additional title holders taking us into the 1980s. These are John Tate 6' 4" 240, Greg page 6' 3" 239, Tony Tubbs 6' 3" 239, Trevor Berbick 6' 2" 239 and James "Bonecrusher" Smith 6' 4" 238.
You can add ex-pro linemen Mark Gastineau and Too Tall Jones. Alonzo Highsmith was a big running back 6'1" 235. My earlier suggestion Victorio Compolo was only listed at 225, but I still think that one's debateable. Turkey Thompson also never met a meal he didn't like. Highest weight I have for him is 218 but he was only 5' 8 1/2" which is why he had the appearence of a beachball with boxing gloves quite often.

Bear

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Brien Nielsen (Dane, I think) was in the 240/250 range.

There is always Butterbean (Eric Esch - check my spelling)

Wasn't Danny Williams over 235 for the bout in November as well?

Two Ton Tony Galento is out, I think he was short and stout like Bear's friend Thompson.

Was Tex Cobb 235 plus? I would actualy be surprised if he wasn't, he seemed rather tall if my memory is correct.

Many of the comebacking stars of yesteryear in the nineties may have exceeded 235 (Pinklon Thomas, Joe Bugner, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, I think Earnie Shavers even laced em up in the nineties) you would have to check on their weight in the nineties. I don't think any of them were 235 in their prime fighting shape though - so they may not fit your criteria.

[Arlie Latham]

Well hot damn!

I will have more Super Heavies that I thought. Once I finish a good list of twenty, I will add a few at a time to face the number 20 ranked guy and see if he can work his way up any. Super Brian might be interesting.

I'll list my division in the league section and let you all know the results. The Super Heavy Weight division won't be as talent laden as the Heavyweight Division, which I have set as 190 (the old Cruiserweight limit) to 234. I imagine Lennox Lewis and Riddick "Big Daddy" Bowe will be fighting over the top spot, with the public screaming for ol' James J. Jeffries to come off the farm and be the great white hope. Jeffries might be under 235 in his prime however.

[bear]

Arlie
Not everyone that I listed is included in the game. Some are available in various threads here or at cornerwork and some may need to be created.

Bear

Originally Posted by Arlie Latham

Well hot damn!

I will have more Super Heavies that I thought. Once I finish a good list of twenty, I will add a few at a time to face the number 20 ranked guy and see if he can work his way up any. Super Brian might be interesting.

I'll list my division in the league section and let you all know the results. The Super Heavy Weight division won't be as talent laden as the Heavyweight Division, which I have set as 190 (the old Cruiserweight limit) to 234. I imagine Lennox Lewis and Riddick "Big Daddy" Bowe will be fighting over the top spot, with the public screaming for ol' James J. Jeffries to come off the farm and be the great white hope. Jeffries might be under 235 in his prime however.

[Arlie Latham]

I downloaded some packages from cornerwork, such as 1930s, turn of the century, 1980s and Connecticut Heavies. I saw some others, but I want to try to limit the amount of fictional fighters in my universe. I already have the Rocky characters and Drederick Tatum.

I went through your list, Bear, and added those fighters who were rated. I'm going to run an initial tournament with the fighters I have now and add others one at a time as I uncover or rate them myself one at a time as new contenders.

[CONN CHRIS]

Your best bet is to post the guys you want right here. If anyone has them, they will be glad to throw them up for you. (it beats slogging through cornerwork as great as it is, if all you want are a select few)