End of fight Commentary ?

rickno1202 · 01-20-2005, 04:52 PM

Joe Louis vs Ali.

Louis is winning the fight by maybe 2-3 rounds at this point.

Ali has some swelling but never a mention of an injury, then this is how the final round goes :

0:00 We go to the last round, as the bell sounds to start the 15th. 0:0
0:03 That punch landed high on Louis's forehead. Oh! Ali's face is contorted from the pain. He's holding his hand. He must have hurt it badly. The referee is coming over... Ali can't continue, and this fight is over! Louis wins via TKO! 0:0

I'm going to ASS ume that Ali broke his hand or something to that effect. Is there a way to mention such in after match reports so someone looking afterwards can't ASS ume the fight was stopped because he was getting pummelled as opposed to injured and unable to continue? I know it may be nit-picking but it just shows how much I enjoy this game.

Rick

mh2365 · 01-20-2005, 05:35 PM

Good point ... I'd also like to see stuff like broken hands happen early in the fight and the fighter try to go on.

Cap · 01-20-2005, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickno1202

Joe Louis vs Ali.

Louis is winning the fight by maybe 2-3 rounds at this point.

Ali has some swelling but never a mention of an injury, then this is how the final round goes :

0:00 We go to the last round, as the bell sounds to start the 15th. 0:0
0:03 That punch landed high on Louis's forehead. Oh! Ali's face is contorted from the pain. He's holding his hand. He must have hurt it badly. The referee is coming over... Ali can't continue, and this fight is over! Louis wins via TKO! 0:0

I'm going to ASS ume that Ali broke his hand or something to that effect. Is there a way to mention such in after match reports so someone looking afterwards can't ASS ume the fight was stopped because he was getting pummelled as opposed to injured and unable to continue? I know it may be nit-picking but it just shows how much I enjoy this game.

Rick

Are you saying this is an actual result from the game? I have yet to see a fight end because of an injury other than a cut. I've seen a hand injury hinted at, but it doesn't appear to really factor in the action.

Cap

mh2365 · 01-20-2005, 09:31 PM

I've had several .. just had one fight end due to a seperated shoulder

Co-Feature
Frank Erne vs Freddie Welsh

Fight info: Convention Hall, Miami Beach, FL, USA, 1906-11-17, announcer is Wally Jackson, referee is Wayne Kelly, the bout will be scored by the three judges Kwang-Soo Kim (Korea), Harry Davis (Canada) and Samuel Conde (Puerto Rico), this is not a title bout, the bout is scheduled for 10 rounds, WBA-rules are in effect, three KD rule is not in effect, save by the bell only in last round, only the referee can stop the fight, mandatory 8 count is not in effect, fight stopped due to an accidental head butt: Tech. Draw through 4/Scorecard after 4, game will check for injuries, game will not adjust ratings for weight class, use judges bias is set to 'use bias rating', Scoring System is 10 Point
In the red corner: Frank Erne - Record: 8-0-2 (1) - Career Stage: Prime - Conditioning: Aging and Inconsistent - Trainer: Doi Dollings - Cut Man: Percy Richardson
In the blue corner: Freddie Welsh - Record: 8-0-0 (1) - Career Stage: Prime - Conditioning: Top Condition - Trainer: Yvon Michel - Cut Man: Lou Duva

Round 1
Time Commentary Points
0:00 There's no more time for speculation as the fight gets underway here in Round 1. 0:0
0:07 Both fighters come into this fight predicting a win... Not that you'd expect anything else. 0:0
0:11 Welsh splits the gloves with a jab. He'd like to find a home for that punch during this fight. 0:2
0:20 The fighters are trading punches and Erne seems to have won that exchange. 3:4
0:30 Erne hitches up his trunks. He'd better be careful. He may get nailed while his hands are down. 3:4
0:32 Welsh scores with a nice short hook inside the defense of Frank Erne. 3:6
0:42 Welsh slides into a neutral corner... 3:6
0:51 The cross scores for Welsh. He needs to throw that punch more often. 3:8
01:00 Erne just said something to the referee. I'm not sure if he was angry about something or just making a comment. 3:8
01:07 Welsh scores with a jolting uppercut inside. 3:10
01:16 Both fighters need to close the distance between them. 3:10
01:18 Welsh retreats into his own corner... 3:10
01:23 Erne misses with what looked like a backhand. He's lucky. If that had landed, he might have drawn a warning. 3:10
01:30 Welsh fires the jab. It finds its target. 3:12
01:39 As high as Erne is holding his gloves he is leaving his body wide open to a damaging body punch if Welsh takes advantage of it. 3:12
01:42 The fighters are throwing punches now! Welsh is being much more effective in this exchange. 5:15
01:51 Both fighters ought to be using their jabs more to set up their other punches this round. 5:15
01:54 Welsh lands a jab. He's using it as both an offensive and defensive weapon on occasions. 5:17
02:02 Erne steals a quick glance at his corner. 5:17
02:06 Both fighters are pawing with the jab, trying to find an opening. Welsh digs a quick hook into the exposed side of Erne. 5:19
02:22 Erne throws a leaping shot that fails to hit the target. 5:19
02:25 Welsh goes to the head and the body, though neither punch had much on it. 5:21
02:39 Erne isn't throwing any punches when he moves backwards. 5:21
02:44 Erne is receiving a lot of encouragement from his corner. If this helps win fights, he has a real good shot tonight. 5:21
02:48 Erne likes to use the hook but he'd better get a little closer when he throws it or Welsh's going to beat him to the punch and hurt him! 7:21
02:48 Erne is being warned for rabbit punching. Kelly is letting the judges know. 7:21
03:00 Round 1 of this scheduled 10 rounder ends as the bell sounds. 8:22

Round 2
Time Commentary Points
0:00 Frank Erne looks a bit disgusted as Round 2 gets underway. 0:0
0:09 Erne's right eye is swollen. 0:0
0:15 Erne throws a flurry of punches but Welsh either blocks or slips them. 0:0
0:21 Doi Dollings seemed agitated with Erne, who stared at his shoes almost the entire minute. 0:0
0:23 Welsh moves into a neutral corner. 0:0
0:27 Erne is clinching... Welsh is trying to free his gloves... They are under Erne's arms... Erne shoves Welsh away. 0:0
0:41 Welsh telegraphed that shot and Erne ducks under it easily. 0:0
0:53 Erne misses wildly with the hook. 0:0
01:00 Both fighters are keeping their distance for the moment. 0:0
01:09 Erne misses with a wild roundhouse. Now he's grabbed his shoulder and turned his back onWelsh... This fight might be over... Erne is in a world of hurt. He must have torn something or dislocated that shoulder. Yep, Kelly is indicating that Erne can't continue. This will go into the books as a TKO for Welsh. 0:0

Fallschirmjager · 01-20-2005, 10:27 PM

I have seen
Broken Hand
Broken Rib
Seperated Shoulder

mrchallenge · 01-20-2005, 11:26 PM

Oh man! thats cheesy for sure. We all know that Ali could have both hands chopped off and he'd still fight on!!

Ali is no Klitschko!!!

Cap · 01-21-2005, 08:46 AM

Am I the only one not seeing fights ended by injuries (except cuts)? This is weird.

Geoff Jodry · 01-21-2005, 11:04 AM

So far I've not had a fight halted for anything other than a heinous cut - not counting a few regular TKO's and a smattering of DQ's.

Geoff Jodry

javier_83 · 01-21-2005, 11:49 AM

Heres is one by aan Accidental Headbutt

0:57 Both fighters reach instinctively for their head. There must have been a head butt in there. And Ricardo Mayorga is cut! This has been an accidental head butt resulting in a cut! 4:0
0:57 Oh man. Blood just spurted out of a cut high on Mayorga's forehead. The two fighters clashed heads in Round 10 and that must have caused the gash. It was accidental, no question. Jay Referson is stopping the action. He's motioning for the ring doctor to come look at the cut. Mayorga is pawing at the blood. This one's going to be over. Yes, that's it. Points will be tallied as of the last full stanza, because we're having more than 4 rounds in the book! This shortened bout is in the hands of the officials and we'll await their decision.

crusadecat · 01-21-2005, 01:15 PM

I have seen the hand one but besides the cuts thats about it, I believe the injury factor and how it plays in the game is scheduled to be addressed in the tb2.

Hoeksam · 01-21-2005, 02:51 PM

I've seen the broken hand and broken rib endings happen once or twice in playing out bouts, but never the shoulder.

maxx · 01-22-2005, 03:55 PM

It has only happened to me this one time, but today I had a fight stopped due to a broken nose.

Cap · 01-22-2005, 04:21 PM

One thing that really bugs me now more than ever is seeing the ref take ONE look at a fighter's cut and stop the fight. Sometimes I can't figure out where the darn cut came from...

wildhawke11 · 01-22-2005, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cap

One thing that really bugs me now more than ever is seeing the ref take ONE look at a fighter's cut and stop the fight. Sometimes I can't figure out where the darn cut came from...

Sometimes the ref needs to examine the cut and the fighter by a % is allowed to continue at least for a few rounds.

I had a fight stopped by injury when i had Roy Jr Jones fight Mike Tyson.
It was a blow from Tyson that took off Mike's head and when Iron Mike left the ring Jones's head was still attached to Tyson's glove

javier_83 · 01-22-2005, 05:30 PM

do you see if the ref stop the figth to check a cut and let to continue?

Cap · 01-22-2005, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javier_83

do you see if the ref stop the figth to check a cut and let to continue?

Haven't seen that happen yet. How about you?

javier_83 · 01-22-2005, 05:41 PM

Nop, that why i ask

i hope some stuff like this can be add in TBCB 2

crusadecat · 01-22-2005, 06:38 PM

Would this be a good place to suggest possible ways for that commentary to look as well?

The referee is going to have the Doctor look at that cut, He is going to let it continue, atleast for the time being.
Maybe adding a second or two like they are contemplating whether to let it go on or not.

javier_83 · 01-22-2005, 06:39 PM

and someone see a cut to re-open again?

maxx · 01-22-2005, 07:00 PM

I've had cuts reopen many times.

It would be good to have the ref check cuts & not stop the fight (but maybe make it so that, once a cut has been checked, it is more likely that the fight will be stopped if that cut reopens or the bleeding isn't stopped within a couple rounds).

Would also like to see something where the fight is less likely to be stopped due to cut or injuries in the late stages of the fight. If it is stopped late, the commentary should really play up the cut/injury as particularly serious.

01-20-2005, 04:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
rickno1202 Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 18	End of fight Commentary ? Joe Louis vs Ali. Louis is winning the fight by maybe 2-3 rounds at this point. Ali has some swelling but never a mention of an injury, then this is how the final round goes : 0:00 We go to the last round, as the bell sounds to start the 15th. 0:0 0:03 That punch landed high on Louis's forehead. Oh! Ali's face is contorted from the pain. He's holding his hand. He must have hurt it badly. The referee is coming over... Ali can't continue, and this fight is over! Louis wins via TKO! 0:0 I'm going to ASS ume that Ali broke his hand or something to that effect. Is there a way to mention such in after match reports so someone looking afterwards can't ASS ume the fight was stopped because he was getting pummelled as opposed to injured and unable to continue? I know it may be nit-picking but it just shows how much I enjoy this game. Rick __________________ With closest custody guard your heart, for in it are the sources of life.

01-20-2005, 09:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	I've had several .. just had one fight end due to a seperated shoulder Co-Feature Frank Erne vs Freddie Welsh Fight info: Convention Hall, Miami Beach, FL, USA, 1906-11-17, announcer is Wally Jackson, referee is Wayne Kelly, the bout will be scored by the three judges Kwang-Soo Kim (Korea), Harry Davis (Canada) and Samuel Conde (Puerto Rico), this is not a title bout, the bout is scheduled for 10 rounds, WBA-rules are in effect, three KD rule is not in effect, save by the bell only in last round, only the referee can stop the fight, mandatory 8 count is not in effect, fight stopped due to an accidental head butt: Tech. Draw through 4/Scorecard after 4, game will check for injuries, game will not adjust ratings for weight class, use judges bias is set to 'use bias rating', Scoring System is 10 Point In the red corner: Frank Erne - Record: 8-0-2 (1) - Career Stage: Prime - Conditioning: Aging and Inconsistent - Trainer: Doi Dollings - Cut Man: Percy Richardson In the blue corner: Freddie Welsh - Record: 8-0-0 (1) - Career Stage: Prime - Conditioning: Top Condition - Trainer: Yvon Michel - Cut Man: Lou Duva Round 1 Time Commentary Points 0:00 There's no more time for speculation as the fight gets underway here in Round 1. 0:0 0:07 Both fighters come into this fight predicting a win... Not that you'd expect anything else. 0:0 0:11 Welsh splits the gloves with a jab. He'd like to find a home for that punch during this fight. 0:2 0:20 The fighters are trading punches and Erne seems to have won that exchange. 3:4 0:30 Erne hitches up his trunks. He'd better be careful. He may get nailed while his hands are down. 3:4 0:32 Welsh scores with a nice short hook inside the defense of Frank Erne. 3:6 0:42 Welsh slides into a neutral corner... 3:6 0:51 The cross scores for Welsh. He needs to throw that punch more often. 3:8 01:00 Erne just said something to the referee. I'm not sure if he was angry about something or just making a comment. 3:8 01:07 Welsh scores with a jolting uppercut inside. 3:10 01:16 Both fighters need to close the distance between them. 3:10 01:18 Welsh retreats into his own corner... 3:10 01:23 Erne misses with what looked like a backhand. He's lucky. If that had landed, he might have drawn a warning. 3:10 01:30 Welsh fires the jab. It finds its target. 3:12 01:39 As high as Erne is holding his gloves he is leaving his body wide open to a damaging body punch if Welsh takes advantage of it. 3:12 01:42 The fighters are throwing punches now! Welsh is being much more effective in this exchange. 5:15 01:51 Both fighters ought to be using their jabs more to set up their other punches this round. 5:15 01:54 Welsh lands a jab. He's using it as both an offensive and defensive weapon on occasions. 5:17 02:02 Erne steals a quick glance at his corner. 5:17 02:06 Both fighters are pawing with the jab, trying to find an opening. Welsh digs a quick hook into the exposed side of Erne. 5:19 02:22 Erne throws a leaping shot that fails to hit the target. 5:19 02:25 Welsh goes to the head and the body, though neither punch had much on it. 5:21 02:39 Erne isn't throwing any punches when he moves backwards. 5:21 02:44 Erne is receiving a lot of encouragement from his corner. If this helps win fights, he has a real good shot tonight. 5:21 02:48 Erne likes to use the hook but he'd better get a little closer when he throws it or Welsh's going to beat him to the punch and hurt him! 7:21 02:48 Erne is being warned for rabbit punching. Kelly is letting the judges know. 7:21 03:00 Round 1 of this scheduled 10 rounder ends as the bell sounds. 8:22 Round 2 Time Commentary Points 0:00 Frank Erne looks a bit disgusted as Round 2 gets underway. 0:0 0:09 Erne's right eye is swollen. 0:0 0:15 Erne throws a flurry of punches but Welsh either blocks or slips them. 0:0 0:21 Doi Dollings seemed agitated with Erne, who stared at his shoes almost the entire minute. 0:0 0:23 Welsh moves into a neutral corner. 0:0 0:27 Erne is clinching... Welsh is trying to free his gloves... They are under Erne's arms... Erne shoves Welsh away. 0:0 0:41 Welsh telegraphed that shot and Erne ducks under it easily. 0:0 0:53 Erne misses wildly with the hook. 0:0 01:00 Both fighters are keeping their distance for the moment. 0:0 01:09 Erne misses with a wild roundhouse. Now he's grabbed his shoulder and turned his back onWelsh... This fight might be over... Erne is in a world of hurt. He must have torn something or dislocated that shoulder. Yep, Kelly is indicating that Erne can't continue. This will go into the books as a TKO for Welsh. 0:0 Last edited by mh2365 : 01-20-2005 at 09:36 PM.

01-20-2005, 10:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
Fallschirmjager Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 4,017	I have seen Broken Hand Broken Rib Seperated Shoulder __________________ Last edited by Fallschirmjager : 01-22-2005 at 05:19 PM.

01-21-2005, 08:46 AM	#7 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	Am I the only one not seeing fights ended by injuries (except cuts)? This is weird. __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

01-21-2005, 02:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
Hoeksam Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ravena, NY Posts: 160	I've seen the broken hand and broken rib endings happen once or twice in playing out bouts, but never the shoulder. __________________ The tower of power, too sweet to be sour... Elite Baseball League - Milwaukee Brewers Right this way, everyone. Free puppies, ginger snaps, pocket PC's...

01-20-2005, 05:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Good point ... I'd also like to see stuff like broken hands happen early in the fight and the fighter try to go on.

01-20-2005, 11:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
mrchallenge Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 167	Oh man! thats cheesy for sure. We all know that Ali could have both hands chopped off and he'd still fight on!! Ali is no Klitschko!!!

01-21-2005, 11:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
Geoff Jodry Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Peabody, MA Posts: 78	So far I've not had a fight halted for anything other than a heinous cut - not counting a few regular TKO's and a smattering of DQ's. Geoff Jodry

01-21-2005, 11:49 AM	#9 (permalink)
javier_83 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,369	Heres is one by aan Accidental Headbutt 0:57 Both fighters reach instinctively for their head. There must have been a head butt in there. And Ricardo Mayorga is cut! This has been an accidental head butt resulting in a cut! 4:0 0:57 Oh man. Blood just spurted out of a cut high on Mayorga's forehead. The two fighters clashed heads in Round 10 and that must have caused the gash. It was accidental, no question. Jay Referson is stopping the action. He's motioning for the ring doctor to come look at the cut. Mayorga is pawing at the blood. This one's going to be over. Yes, that's it. Points will be tallied as of the last full stanza, because we're having more than 4 rounds in the book! This shortened bout is in the hands of the officials and we'll await their decision.

01-21-2005, 01:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
crusadecat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 799	I have seen the hand one but besides the cuts thats about it, I believe the injury factor and how it plays in the game is scheduled to be addressed in the tb2.

01-22-2005, 03:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
maxx All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 711	It has only happened to me this one time, but today I had a fight stopped due to a broken nose.

01-22-2005, 04:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	One thing that really bugs me now more than ever is seeing the ref take ONE look at a fighter's cut and stop the fight. Sometimes I can't figure out where the darn cut came from... __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

01-22-2005, 05:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
javier_83 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,369	do you see if the ref stop the figth to check a cut and let to continue?

01-22-2005, 05:41 PM	#17 (permalink)
javier_83 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,369	Nop, that why i ask i hope some stuff like this can be add in TBCB 2

01-22-2005, 06:38 PM	#18 (permalink)
crusadecat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 799	Would this be a good place to suggest possible ways for that commentary to look as well? The referee is going to have the Doctor look at that cut, He is going to let it continue, atleast for the time being. Maybe adding a second or two like they are contemplating whether to let it go on or not.

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01-22-2005, 06:39 PM	#19 (permalink)
javier_83 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,369	and someone see a cut to re-open again?

01-22-2005, 07:00 PM	#20 (permalink)
maxx All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 711	I've had cuts reopen many times. It would be good to have the ref check cuts & not stop the fight (but maybe make it so that, once a cut has been checked, it is more likely that the fight will be stopped if that cut reopens or the bleeding isn't stopped within a couple rounds). Would also like to see something where the fight is less likely to be stopped due to cut or injuries in the late stages of the fight. If it is stopped late, the commentary should really play up the cut/injury as particularly serious.