Clone Boxing Association

[Non Compos Mentis]

First, I'd like to thank Conn Chris for uploading his Tomato Cans to Cornerwork. I'd also like to thank Cornerwork for hosting those, and other files, for the community to use.


Anyway, the original thread for this Universe was lost when the server was reset. There wasn't much in it anyway, as I had only started it and decided to wait until the patch which would rework performance points and enable auto-aging. Am I glad I waited!

I have a website here: http://sarcazmotron3040.googlepages.com/home which will chronicle much of the goings on in the Universe, but I will update this thread from time to time when major bouts/events take place. None of the links on that page work right now, but that will change as I have time to work on it.

Eventually, I plan on adding a sci fi flavor to the Universe by introducing interplanetary and interstellar championship titles, and by having fictional boxers that are genetically engineered (four arms???) or outright aliens (in the extra terrestrial, not from earth, sense).

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Slowly, but surely, my 'verse is developing.

Here are the rules I'm using to make it work:

GROUPS

The following groups are in the database, for record-keeping and ease of use:

Available
Out - 1 month
Out - 2 months
Out - 3 months
Out - 4 months
Pro - 4 rounds
Pro - 6 rounds
Pro - 8 rounds
Pro - Contender
Retired - Temp
Retired
Tomato_Cans

WEIGHT CLASSES

All the weight classes which come as default in the game will be represented.

After a bout is over, the Biography section of each fighter is edited to reflect the weight class of their opponent. For example, if a fighter's opponent was a Heavyweight, HW would be appended to the bio. Only the last seven fights are kept track of.

If 4 of the last 7 bouts a fighter had were against opponent's of a different weight class than what they are currently in, their weightclass will change to the majority of their opponent's weight class. So, if a HW had fought 5 CWs in his last 7 fights, he would become a CW.

If the fighter has been rated for the new class, use that rating. Otherwise, use the default rating. Please note that if the rating has not inherently changed, it is affected when the boxer faces opponent's of his old weight class. Just make sure Adjust for weight class difference is turned on.

POINTS

Each boxer has a number of "points" which are calculated based on their record. Because of this, there is no need to record this number as it can be computed and used on the fly.

Points = Wins + KOs (includes TKOs) - Losses

The number of points a boxer has determines the number of rounds of their next bout, the number of weeks they spend training for that fight and the chances their next fight will be against a Tomato Can.

Pts                    Rounds/Weeks     %TC
---                    --------------     ----
3 or less                       4               70
4 - 9                            6               50
10-17                           8               30
18 or more                    10              10
18 or more & Top Ten     12              10
Title Bout                     15               0

DRAW POWER

All fighters start their careers with 1 Draw Power rating. In this universe, Draw Power is an abstraction for how well they are doing financially, and as a consequence affects the quality of their trainer and cutman.

Draw Power Rating          Quality of Corner
------------------          ----------------
1                                        Club
2-4                                   Bronze
5-6                                    Silver
7-8                                     Gold
9                                     Platinum
10                                   Diamond

Draw Power is earned and lost based on the outcome of the fight. There is a 30% chance it will go up by 1, if the bout was won by KO or TKO. 10% chance it will go up by 1 if the bout was won by decision. 35% chance it will do gown by 1 if the bout is lost. All other outcomes have no affect on the Draw Power rating.

TOMATO CANS

• have no names
• have no points
• always have 1 draw power rating
• weight class is always equal to their opponent's (Adjust for weight class difference is turned off when they fight)
• are not active fighters so they do not show up in rankings
• are set to beginning of career stage
• do not age
• are reset after obtaining 25 losses (yes, this messes up the History of their opponents, but they are the no names who pad the records of the "real" fighters, so it doesn't really matter. To me, anyway)
• are the templates created by Pierre (160 of them)
• can fight more than once in a week, since they are abstracted

The next post will detail the steps I take week to week to move the universe forward.

Sorry for the crappy formatting on the tables. Not sure how to make it work better than that.

[CONN CHRIS]

It's good to see another website down here. Given the way it appears that you will be using tomato cans, wouldn't you be better off just using the TC template from cornerwork as is?

[Non Compos Mentis]

Yes you are correct. I originally started using the ones you had created (the named ones for each weight class) but I didn't plan ahead for my new computer, and to make a long story short, I ended up purchasing TBCB 2 again and starting over.

[Gunsmoke]

Well structured, I like the Draw Power stuff, interesting to see someone else mess around with that.

Cheers,
Mark

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Aging, Retirement & Comeback Rules

These are preliminary, since my universe hasn't progressed far enough to determine how well this operates. Changes will most likely be made in the future.

AGING

1-10 fights for Beginning
1-20 fights for Pre-Prime
1-60 fights for Prime
1-5 fights for Post-Prime
1-5 fights for End

This will create a range of 5-100 fights before a boxer retires, with an average of 52.5 fights for a career.

RETIREMENT

When a fighter passes from End to Retired, they are moved from whatever group they are currently in, to the Retired - Temp Group. The date when they retired is updated in their record.

Every four weeks (in synch with when rankings are published) a check is made to determine if a fighter attempts a comeback or retires permanently.

01-05 Comeback
06-95 No change
96-00 Retires permanently and is moved to the Retired Group.

If a fighter has less than 30 total bouts, they cannot be retired permamently.

COMEBACK

The career stage a fighter is set to when they decide to re-enter the boxing scene is determined by how many fights they participated.

Prime = (100-fights)/4
Post-Prime = (100-fights)/2
End = 100 - Prime - Post-Prime

Result of numbers divided is always rounded down.

For example:

5 fights:
01-23 Prime
24-70 Post-Prime
71-00 End

50 fights:
01-12 Prime
13-37 Post-Prime
38-00 End

75 fights:
01-06 Prime
07-18 Post-Prime
19-00 End

There are no limits to the number of times a boxer may make a comeback, but it becomes more difficult for them to be competitive with each fight tacked onto their record.

The number of Perf Pts a fighter has is adjusted downwards by 10 points for each week spent in "retirement" to a floor of 1000 (the number of points all new fighters start at). This is why the date of retirement is important to update in the fighter's record.

[Non Compos Mentis]

I've edited the previous post to reflect the changes I've made to the Aging stages. Post-Prime and End career stages seem to have a more dramatic negative effect than I thought.

Anyway, after a new start, the CBA is humming along. I've found out that having nothing but 160 HW TCs was bad for those weight classes outside the HW division, since the ranking system for organizations is based on the weight the fight was sanctioned for.

For example, an HW TC versus a JLW fighter would be considered a HW fight for the JLW fighter with adjustment for weight turned off. For those who keep track of their rankings out of the game, this poses no problem, but for someone like me who is using the in-game ranking system, that JLW fighter would not be ranked until they had 10 JLW fights, regardless of the number of fights against HW TCs they faced.

So I've been generating TCs for each weight class, using the existing templates as a base to work from. To avoid confusion, the copies are given names and now they age and retire as normal fighters do, however they do not make comebacks. Also they are still set in the "retired" as opposed to "active" so as to not be ranked by any organization.

I've also changed the weeks a fighter is out to months. It's easier to keep track of, and simming is much faster. I'd like to sim one month of game time for each week of real-time, but as the universe grows in number of fighters, and as real-life issues take priority, I'm sure the pace will slow down.

Anyway, following is the current Top Ten for each weightclass based solely on perf points, since not many fighters qualify to rank in each organization.

[mh2365]

Interesting .. So are you saying in your example above that if (pretend you have it set at 15 so they show up in the rankings) that if the JLW in your above scenario wouldn't be ranked as a JLW if he had 14 fights at JLW and 1 at HW?

I haven't found this to be true although I never looked at it before. My guys do fight outside their weight class though and I've yet to see someone with 15 fights not be ranked, but I haven't looked real close either.

Or I'm just completely not understanding what you are saying

Welcome back!

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HW Top Ten: May 2051

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Interesting .. So are you saying in your example above that if (pretend you have it set at 15 so they show up in the rankings) that if the JLW in your above scenario wouldn't be ranked as a JLW if he had 14 fights at JLW and 1 at HW?

I haven't found this to be true although I never looked at it before. My guys do fight outside their weight class though and I've yet to see someone with 15 fights not be ranked, but I haven't looked real close either.

Or I'm just completely not understanding what you are saying

Welcome back!

What I have found is that a JLW who has 10 fights at HW will not be ranked with the default number of fights to be ranked set at 10. Perhaps just having 1 fight at JLW would get them ranked? I encountered this problem with my 3rd go at running a universe when I tried to generate "history" by having fighters only face HW TCs.

I've just looked through those fighters who have earned a rank in this most current universe and 1 of them has had 9 fights as a JMW and 2 as a MW but he is ranked, so my original hypothesis is clearly incorrect! I'll definitely have to create a test universe and muck around a bit to see.

Thanks for welcoming me back!

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CW Top Ten: May 2051

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LHW Top Ten: May 2051

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SMW Top Ten: May 2051

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MW Top Ten: May 2051

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JMW Top Ten: May 2051

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WW Top Ten: May 2051

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JWW Top Ten: May 2051

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LW Top Ten: May 2051

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JLW Top Ten: May 2051

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FW Top Ten: May 2051