Utba

[CONN CHRIS]

I like the idea if as long as Scot is willing.

[mh2365]

I don't mind that idea either .. it would allow some fighters to stick around a little longer .. instead of just getting dumped the minute they go post.

[Romdawg88]

Like Chris if it's cool with SAL it's cool with me.

[lethal liberal]

Whatever you guys decide...is fine by me. I will just continue to be a good chap and take my beatings like a man..lol. Take care fellas.

[SAL]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

I have an idea that I am not sure if the league thinks it will work or not, with so many fighters in Prime soon to be Post Prime which probably means their career is over. What I propose is that once a fighter goes to Post Prime his rating only counts 75% to the cap rounded up such as Taylor(10 rated) x .75 = 7.5 rounded up counts as 8 actual cap points. Once a fighter reaches END his cap cost is 50%. This may be too much work and may not even be needed, it was just a thought I had to keep fighters around a little longer if everyone else would prefer this.

I have posted a poll in the Inside the Ropes thread for the league owners to vote on the cap rule proposal jbergey has suggested above.

[Claybor]

This will make post prime and end stage fighters more valuable then beginning and pre-primers, which I think will skew things in a bad way. The only way to do this fairly in my opinion is to lower the values of the earlier stages too, which it's a bit too late for.

[SAL]

The Trading Wire is now Closed.

Good luck to everyone in week 4.

Week 4 in the UTBA will feature divisional play for all teams.
This week hosts four 1st/2nd place team match-ups. Could be some movement in the standings.

Week 4 will kick off in the North Division.
(1st place)Iceteaboxing @ (3rd)The Nobodies
(2nd)Hebron Haymakers @ (4th)420th Street Gym

Next we will go to the Midwest Division.
(Defending team champion but currently in 3rd place)Cawkney Crusaders @ (4th)Hoosier Playboys
(1st)Oakland Assassins @ (2nd)Undisputed Champions

Next stop......East Division.
(1st)Bald Beavers @ (3rd)Boxing Kangaroos
(4th)Stockholm's Finest @ (2nd)Tile Hill Top Team

Down to the South Divsion.
(4th)Chilton Roughnecks @ (3rd)Juggernaut
(1st)MexiVilles @ (2nd)Punching Bags

Next, we will venture to the middle in the Central Division.
(1st)Bears Unstable @ (2nd)Brazilian Barbarians
(4th)Long Island Lip Busters @ (3rd)McCune Mitt Slingers

Last stop will be in the West.
(3rd)Dublin Guards @ (4th)Left Jab Inc.
(2nd)Muckboys @ (1st)Tomato City

[Romdawg88]

Ending the week with the biggest match-up of the week is a good idea. Let everything build to the game of the week and I have no doubt that Tomato City and the Muckboys will put on a show.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Claybor

This will make post prime and end stage fighters more valuable then beginning and pre-primers, which I think will skew things in a bad way. The only way to do this fairly in my opinion is to lower the values of the earlier stages too, which it's a bit too late for.

Well you normally are putting up with the preprime fighters because of what you will be getting when they become prime. Sort of like playing an NBA rookie knowing the best is yet to come IMO

[JCWeb]

... I think it totally unbalances things from a gaming standpoint to consider this, and if it passes (as it looks like it will) I will request a poll to do the exact same thing for Pre-Prime and Beginning boxers.

jbergey, if it's part of the cost of hiring these guys at Pre-Prime and Beginner, then by the same logic you also have to accept the negatives of the downside of the career -- no discount from the cap there either. You have to be consistent to keep things fair from a gaming standpoint, and the effect of this is to make it even more difficult for newer or expansion teams who have fewer guys likely to qualify for this "windfall" benefit.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by JCWeb

... I think it totally unbalances things from a gaming standpoint to consider this, and if it passes (as it looks like it will) I will request a poll to do the exact same thing for Pre-Prime and Beginning boxers.

jbergey, if it's part of the cost of hiring these guys at Pre-Prime and Beginner, then by the same logic you also have to accept the negatives of the downside of the career -- no discount from the cap there either. You have to be consistent to keep things fair from a gaming standpoint, and the effect of this is to make it even more difficult for newer or expansion teams who have fewer guys likely to qualify for this "windfall" benefit.

It would be unbalanced ONLY if people no longer wanted beginning and pre prime fighters. The only thing this rule does it make it allowable to hold on to post prime and END fighters which under the normal set of rules would be basically useless. What would be the point of holding on to a 10 rated fighter and paying him 10 rating points if he wasnt holding that value? This rule was not intended to harm any group in the league, it was simply to add to the longivity and keep some of the great fighters around throughout their entire career rather then have them fade out without a downside. I can understand your frustration in feeling that this rule is intended to harm the younger teams but for 1 I dont see how it does and #2 it will help us from going through the database in a short amount of years. Is keeping Jermain Taylor at 8 or Max Schemelling at 8 even worth it? We dont know this yet but atleast two of these great fighters can stick around rather then drop to post prime and be banished from the UTBA.

[bigMatt]

Personally, I love the idea. Thanks for coming up with it.

As Mike said, you put up with the beginners and pre-prime to get the prime fighter. The only way a post-prime fighter will get a job or keep one is in this manner. Having gotten very attached to my guys, I am now overjoyed with the idea of keeping a few of them a season or two longer.

It adds an interesting wrinkle. It lengthens the fighters careers, meaning we won't go through them quite as quickly. And it allows us to keep personal favorites a season or two longer. Awesome.

[bigMatt]

Originally Posted by JCWeb

jbergey, if it's part of the cost of hiring these guys at Pre-Prime and Beginner, then by the same logic you also have to accept the negatives of the downside of the career -- no discount from the cap there either. You have to be consistent to keep things fair from a gaming standpoint, and the effect of this is to make it even more difficult for newer or expansion teams who have fewer guys likely to qualify for this "windfall" benefit.

I would totally (yet respectfully) disagree with you on this JC. There will obviously be an ebb and flow to the league - your core guys will be in post-prime a couple of seasons after mine, thus enjoying whatever potential "windfall" there might be in seasons where I have younger fighters. Frankly, I'm thinking that many guys won't really be worth owning post-prime, even if they don't impact the rosters by their total rating. Most won't be more valuable than the fraction allotted, either. So I don't really see it as windfall so much as I do an enticement to roster a few of the fighters for another season or two.

[jbergey22]

I just want to make the point that EVERYONE still has the same cap room to operate and the value of these post prime fighters most certainly will not always be of favorable value. In fact if I am holding on to too many post prime and END fighters I would personally be very worried about my situation. Newer teams please dont get frustrated if this rule does pass, there are a lot of good fighters and plenty of people willing to trade with if you feel that you think it is a huge advantage to find fighters past their prime at a discounted rate.

[Claybor]

I voted against more for the sake of consistancy, but it's no big deal which way we go. I got my vote I am kool with that.

[SAL]

Sorry for any delays on week 4. Just got home from work. The dreaded OT.
I'll get myself some refreshments and get the first 2 matches posted within the next hour.

[SAL]

Originally Posted by JCWeb

agree with claybor.... I think it totally unbalances things from a gaming standpoint to consider this, and if it passes (as it looks like it will) I will request a poll to do the exact same thing for Pre-Prime and Beginning boxers.

JC,
I'll get a poll posted sometime Sunday on your beginner/pre-prime proposal.

[SAL]

March 16, 2007

Governor's Foot Guard Hall, Hartford, CT

420th Street Gym @ Hebron Haymakers

Bout Results:
(420th Street Gym listed first)

FLY- Jaime Rios L UD 12 Pitchit Siriwat

FLY- Dado Marino W TKO 7 Johnny McCluskey

BW- Benny Goldberg W TechUD 11 Rodolfo Martinez

BW- Johnny Carter L KO 8 Alfonso Zamora

FW- Jose Rojas L TKO 12 (CH)Young Griffo
Featherweight Championship Bout

FW- Joey Archibald W TKO 12 Jesus Meneses

LW- Brian Mitchell L TKO 11 Rodolfo Gonzalez

LW- Brian Mitchell W TKO 7 Claude Noel

WW- George Costner W KO 4 Andrew Lewis

WW- Conny Rudhof L UD 12 Marlon Starling

MW- Sam Soliman W KO 11 Ilyas Ahmed

MW- Charley Fusari L TKO 8 John Mugabi

LHW- Jimmy Slade L UD 12 John Conteh

LHW- Mike Rossman L TKO 8 Miguel Angel Cuello

HW- Sinan Samil Sam L UD 12 Max Schmeling

HW- Fred Fulton L KO 7 Paolino Uzcudun

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Halftime Score:
420th Street Gym 6-10-0 (5) = 17
Hebron Haymakers 10-6-0 (6) = 26
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FLY- Jaime Rios L TKO 7 Johnny McCluskey

FLY- Dado Marino L KO 8 Pitchit Siriwat

BW- Benny Goldberg L KO 11 Alfonso Zamora

BW- Johnny Carter L UD 12 Rodolfo Martinez

FW- Joey Archibald L TKO 7 (CH)Young Griffo
Featherweight Championship Bout

FW- Jose Rojas W TKO 5 Jesus Meneses

LW- Lew Jenkins W KO 6 Claude Noel

LW- Lew Jenkins W SD 12 Rodolfo Gonzalez

WW- George Costner L KO 10 Marlon Starling

WW- Conny Rudhof L KO 4 Andrew Lewis

MW- Sam Soliman L TKO 12 John Mugabi

MW- Charley Fusari W UD 12 Ilyas Ahmed

LHW- Jimmy Slade W UD 12 Miguel Angel Cuello

LHW- Mike Rossman L UD 12 John Conteh

HW- Sinan Samil Sam L TKO 10 Paolino Uzcudun

HW- Fred Fulton L KO 1 Max Schmeling

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Final Score:
420th Street Gym 11-21-0 (7) = 29
Hebron Haymakers 21-11-0 (15) = 57
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[SAL]

March 16, 2007

Araneta Coliseum, Quezon City, Philippines

Iceteaboxing @ The Nobodies

Bout Results:
(Iceteaboxing listed first)

FLY- Miguel Angel Granados L TechUD 8 Erbito Salvarria

FLY- Jackie Brown L UD 12 Little Dado

BW- Robert Cohen W TKO 11 Gerry Penalosa

BW- Harry Forbes L MD 12 Memphis Pal Moore

FW- Kid Chocolate W SD 12 Jackie Turpin

FW- Ricardo Moreno W KO 2 In-Jin Chi

LW- Jimmy Britt W SD 12 Yoni Vargas

LW- Sid Terris L SD 12 Carlos Ortiz

WW- Curtis Cokes W UD 12 Mike Sullivan (Curtis Cokes advances to PRIME)

WW- Johnny Saxton W UD 12 King Tut

MW- Tiger Flowers W UD 12 Sugar Boy Nando

MW- Eugene Hart W KO 9 Alex Hilton

LHW- Mate Parlov W TKO 10 Leo Lomski

LHW- Prince Charles Williams W UD 12 Tony Shucco

HW- Herbie Hide W KO 8 Chris Byrd

HW- Peter Jackson W SD 12 Lennox Lewis

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Halftime Score:
Iceteaboxing 12-4-0 (5) = 29
The Nobodies 4-12-0 (0) = 8
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FLY- Miguel Angel Granados L UD 12 Little Dado

FLY- Jackie Brown W UD 12 Erbito Salvarria

BW- Robert Cohen L UD 12 Memphis Pal Moore

BW- Harry Forbes W UD 12 Gerry Penalosa

FW- Kid Chocolate L TechMD 10 In-Jin Chi

FW- Ricardo Moreno W KO 3 Jackie Turpin

LW- Sid Terris Draw 12 Yoni Vargas

LW- Jimmy Britt L UD 12 Carlos Ortiz

WW- Johnny Saxton W UD 12 Mike Sullivan

WW- Curtis Cokes L KO 9 King Tut

MW- Tiger Flowers W UD 12 Alex Hilton

MW- Eugene Hart W UD 12 Sugar Boy Nando

LHW- Prince Charles Williams W UD 12 Leo Lomski

LHW- Mate Parlov W UD 12 Tony Shucco

HW- Herbie Hide L KO 4 Lennox Lewis

HW- Peter Jackson W UD 12 Chris Byrd

=====================================
Final Score:
Iceteaboxing 21-10-1 (6) = 49
The Nobodies 10-21-1 (2) = 23
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[SAL]

Rosters for the teams in the North, the Standings and the schedule links have been updated.