Utba

[SAL]

Sorry guys, I've been busy the last few days. Still waiting on Ian to return, then we will be draft ready.

UTBA Individual Featherweight Championship
Caesars Atlantic City, Atlantic City, NJ
August 16, 2006
Attendance: 4735

Round 1
Top Half
#1 Terry McGovern 13-1-0(12) W KO8 #16 Troy Dorsey 4-8-2(1)

#8 Sugar Ramos 11-3-0(6) W KO10 #9 Ricardo Moreno 9-7-0(7)

#5 Young Griffo 11-1-2(1) Draw 15 #12 Terry Spinks 4-9-1(1)

#4 Barry McGuigan 12-2-0(5) W KO4 #13 Jeff Fenech 10-4-0(4)
Bottom Half
#3 Howard Winstone 12-1-1(1) L DQ10 #14 Bill Calvert 4-8-2(1)

#6 Carmelo Negron 7-7-0(4) L UD15 #11 Ike Chestnut 8-7-1

#7 Bernard Taylor 9-5-2(3) W KO14 #10 Frankie Crawford 9-5-0

#2 In-Jin Chi 12-2-0(7) W TKO3 #15 Ruben Olivares 9-5-0(7)
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Rematch due to draw:
#5 Young Griffo 11-1-3(1) W UD15 #12 Terry Spinks 4-9-2(1)
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Round 2
Top Half
#1 Terry McGovern 14-1-0(13) W KO5 #8 Sugar Ramos 12-3-0(7)

#4 Barry McGuigan 13-2-0(6) L UD15 #5 Young Griffo 12-1-3(2)
Bottom Half
#11 Ike Chestnut 9-7-1 W TKO9 #14 Bill Calvert 5-8-2(1)

#2 In-Jin Chi 13-2-0(8) L UD15 #7 Bernard Taylor 10-5-2(4)

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Round 3
#1 Terry McGovern 15-1-0(14) L TKO12 #5 Young Griffo 13-1-3(2)

#7 Bernard Taylor 11-5-2(4) L UD15 #11 Ike Chestnut 10-7-1(1)

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Championship match set
Date: TBA
#5 Young Griffo 14-1-3(3) vs. #11 Ike Chestnut 11-7-1(1)

[SAL]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Will this be done in a separate draft thread where each of us is on the clock for a period of time?

Thanks again Scot!

We'll do the the draft on a separate thread.

Looking for suggestions on how to conduct the draft.

There is quite a time zone difference for some here on the board. If I post the boxers available and the draft order, maybe we can do it on the honor system. When it's your turn to draft, make your selection and announce who you are releasing on the draft thread. Everybody will have to keep track of who has been drafted until I'm off work and able to update the list.

[Ian Lord]

I'm back and ready for the draft.

[Claybor]

A player will have to be released after each draft pick?

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by Claybor

A player will have to be released after each draft pick?

Yep, you after to stay at 16 total fighters. Check out the MBF thread pages 20-21 and that you should give you an idea of how the UTBA draft will work.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

Yep, you after to stay at 16 total fighters. Check out the MBF thread pages 20-21 and that you should give you an idea of how the UTBA draft will work.

I would think that the most practical way to handle that would be to release fighters after the draft rather than with each pick.

Scot:

The way you suggest holding the draft is a good idea (if I understand it correctly).

- You say when it begins and then each person picks when his turn arrives.

Perhaps each person can start each post/pick with the following line:

Round 1, Pick number 1 - Team name selects:

Just cut/paste and change the number when your turn is up.

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I would think that the most practical way to handle that would be to release fighters after the draft rather than with each pick.

Scot:

The way you suggest holding the draft is a good idea (if I understand it correctly).

- You say when it begins and then each person picks when his turn arrives.

Perhaps each person can start each post/pick with the following line:

Round 1, Pick number 1 - Team name selects:

Just cut/paste and change the number when your turn is up.

It works either way, your not going to drop a fighter unless you're about to pick up somone in his weightclass so regardless of when we drop the fighters no one will have any holes in their rosters.

[SAL]

Originally Posted by Claybor

A player will have to be released after each draft pick?

I can live with it either way. We can release a fighter after each pick or we can wait till the draft is over and give everyone a week to cut their roster back to 16 and get under the 105 pt. cap.

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I would think that the most practical way to handle that would be to release fighters after the draft rather than with each pick.

I agree. Anyone else?
The only problem I can see happening is if someone drafts their three and then can't get under the 105 cap after their roster cuts. I don't think this would happen.

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Scot:

The way you suggest holding the draft is a good idea (if I understand it correctly).

- You say when it begins and then each person picks when his turn arrives.

Perhaps each person can start each post/pick with the following line:

Round 1, Pick number 1 - Team name selects:

Just cut/paste and change the number when your turn is up.

I like this idea. Sounds good to me.

When I'm home from work, I'll go through the picks that have been made and update the draft pool showing what boxers are remaining. Everybody would just have to keep track of who has been drafted until I can update the list.

[bear]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I would think that the most practical way to handle that would be to release fighters after the draft rather than with each pick.

Scot:

The way you suggest holding the draft is a good idea (if I understand it correctly).

- You say when it begins and then each person picks when his turn arrives.

Perhaps each person can start each post/pick with the following line:

Round 1, Pick number 1 - Team name selects:

Just cut/paste and change the number when your turn is up.

Drafting and releasing guys pick by pick seems cumbersome and gives Sal a lot of work to do. His idea seems to want to keep the roster sizes at 16 and the number of guys in the draft pool constant. Guys dropped from rosters would be eligible and some more interesting movement would transpire. Chris's idea would simplify matters but omit this element. An option might be to release guys at the completion of each round. That way there could be some additional movement. It doesn't effect me one way or the other so I think all of the team members should come to a decision on how they want to procede.

Bear

[bigMatt]

I say however Scot wants to handle it. Either way is fine with me.

[mh2365]

I say, draft then release after the draft. No one would have a problem getting under the 105 limit because if they are over they have to drop fighters and pick up lesser fighters to get down to limit.

[SAL]

Originally Posted by bear

Drafting and releasing guys pick by pick seems cumbersome and gives Sal a lot of work to do.
His idea seems to want to keep the roster sizes at 16 and the number of guys in the draft pool constant. Guys dropped from rosters would be eligible and some more interesting movement would transpire. Chris's idea would simplify matters but omit this element.
An option might be to release guys at the completion of each round. That way there could be some additional movement.
Bear

I was wanting to give the guys some options. The idea of drafting and releasing per round would be some work(I don't mind), but it could make for some interesting movement.
Chris's idea would be an easier way to go but as you said Bear, it would omit the option of drafting a released boxer. It's up to everybody here on how you want to conduct the draft.
Even though your not involved for this draft Bear, you and hamed should be involved because you two will have to live with it next season.

Originally Posted by mh2365

I say, draft then release after the draft. No one would have a problem getting under the 105 limit because if they are over they have to drop fighters and pick up lesser fighters to get down to limit.

Agreed.

[IceTea]

I like Bears ideas

[SAL]

The rosters on page one are up to date with records and advancement of fighters to pre-prime(including the tournament results so far).

I'll do my best to post the results from the LW, WW, MW, LHW and HW tournaments today and update the rosters on page one as I move along. If I manage to do this, we'll hold the 8 Title fights tomorrow and crown all of our individual champions. As soon as the championship fights are over, we should be ready to conduct the draft.

[bigMatt]

Originally Posted by SAL

I was wanting to give the guys some options. The idea of drafting and releasing per round would be some work(I don't mind), but it could make for some interesting movement.
Chris's idea would be an easier way to go but as you said Bear, it would omit the option of drafting a released boxer. It's up to everybody here on how you want to conduct the draft.
Even though your not involved for this draft Bear, you and hamed should be involved because you two will have to live with it next season.


Agreed.

That's a good point - guys dropped may get picked up later. I am definitely leaning in that direction. My official vote is drop as we go.

Think about this in terms of the boxers in our universe. A chance for a fighter to rehab his record. This might create other new rivalries, like when a boxer faces his old team.

David Tua requested I add that last paragraph...

[SAL]

Lets take a vote on how to conduct the draft, post your vote (and statement if you want too) below.

1) Draft all three rounds and then release.

2) Draft one round and then release. Repeat the process for rounds 2 & 3.

VOTE RESULTS:
1) = 0 votes
(unofficial 2 - ConnChris, mh2365)

2) = 0 votes
(unofficial 4 - bigMatt, Romdawg88, IceTea & bear)

[bear]

I'd support suggestion two, although I'm not involved in this draft.
Bear

[vistaman44]

... option 1 and let people pick up the released fighters on waivers afterward, again in order of worst record rank, and possibly including the two new teams in the middle of that list. It would provide for more interest afterward and less complication for Scot (and the owners trying to keep track) during the draft. It would also keep the drafters' strategy a bit more of a secret until afterward.

[bigMatt]

Two - officially

[CONN CHRIS]

One

Though I like two, I think it would be too impractical from a record keeping standpoint. With more than a dozen people involved, I will always vote for simplicity.