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[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by mh2365

Another thing is I don't like the 3 to 8 limit thing either .. we should be able to age 1 and 2 or fighters rated higher than 8.

I would set the cap at 52 or 53 also to mimic the majors which the average rating is 6.56.

You can have fighters rated higher then 8 in the minors just not more then two.

[mh2365]

Yeah I re-read that just think there shouldn't be a limit on it at all as long as you meet cap and cap should be = avg to the majors.

Most teams are going to need 1 and 2 rated fighters in the majors and it's not right that they don't get to age in the minors like the rest of the fighters.

[Lee]

I like it, but think it may be a bit much.....the League is one of the best I have been in in any sport and the work that people put in with stats and all is amazing.

Here is another idea that would shelter prospects, but on a smaller scale. Like the NFL has a practice squad, we could have a developmental squad. Allow two fighters any weight class for each team....with the following rules.

• The fighters would have to be set before week 1 and they would remain on the developmental squad for the entire Season.
• There would be 10 Tomato Cans at each weight as opponents, all set at prime. (Gotta have a small chance at an upset)
• The developmental squad would fight a each Tomato can in their division once during the Season.
• Only beginners allowed, a fighter can stay on the developmental squad as long as the Owner wants, but once he reaches Pre-Prime he would have to be moved to the main Roster at the beginning of the next Season.
• 15 point Salary cap for Developmental, this lets you have a couple of good fighters (8 and 7) or put all your Eggs in one Basket (14 and 1) All Fighters are eligible as long as they are beginners and salary Cap is met

Advantages:

• Gives some freedom to develop talent
• Easy to keep track of records
• All fighters fight the same opponents, meaning equal chance to develop/pad record
• There won't be an abundance of moves and transactions for Scot to keep up on since Fighters are tied to the squad for a Season.
• Doesn't deplete the database as much as a full minor League system.
• Insures that with good planning Teams can reload and not have to rebuild as much, keeping more parity in the League (Like my 0-20 Ass should talk about parity)

Disadvantages

• Not as many options for the Owners as full minors
• Tomato Can padding could "cheapen" League records
• Stuck leaving Fighters in the minors for a full Season
• Have to move Fighters up at Pre-Prime stage, so there will still be minimal struggle

Like I mentioned I really like the set up as is, so I go back to that if it ain't broke adage. Maybe we don't mess with a good thing?

[SAL]

What is to complicated about this?

I'm not in favor of raising the cap or creating a bunch more 1 and 2 rated fighters in the league due to the fact people will roster half their team with 1's so the other half can be the highest rated.

What I want to accomplish out of this is to balance the league a little more by eliminating the 1's, 2's and maybe even the 3's. Hell Mike, I remember a time you wondered why we have 1's and 2's in the draft pool when we first started the league. You said we should have stopped at 3's. And the reason for no fighter rated below 3 and only two fighters rated above 8 in the minors was to keep a balance and keep an owner from loading up on the high rated fighters by drafting three 1's to the group. That's what we have the regular draft for, draft the 11 or 13's then if you want them.

And if people are not aware of this, there is a shortage of 1 and 2 rated fighters left to be introduced to the league. When they're gone, they're gone. I have no intentions of using a bunch of user created 1's and 2's when we run out.

This will go up for a league vote in the next couple of days and I was hoping to get back some positive feedback to maybe improve on the initial proposal before I post it for vote. Talk it down all you want but it will still go up for a vote.

Originally Posted by mh2365

Just curious as to why you have 1 and 2 rated fighters. I would have thought you would have stopped at 3's

[SAL]

Originally Posted by mh2365

Yeah I re-read that just think there shouldn't be a limit on it at all as long as you meet cap and cap should be = avg to the majors.

Most teams are going to need 1 and 2 rated fighters in the majors and it's not right that they don't get to age in the minors like the rest of the fighters.

Like I said in my last post....I hope to be rid of all 1's and 2's in the league in the seasons to come. That's the whole idea behind the stipulations.

[Kalinik]

I definitly like the idea of a Minor league team. It would help to develop my youngsters faster, as an expansion team very important. This offers more opportunities for my Southpaws.

[SAL]

Another reason for developing the minor league system was to help me clean up the draft pool. This will take 24 fighters out of each weight class and we still won't be depleting stock fighters any faster using a full minor league team because once a fighter goes Prime in the minors, he'll be on somebodies team or in the draft pool. Either way, the draft pool gets stocked and I won't have to add as many fighters to the draft pool as I have in the past meaning less workload.

Also the fighters rated higher than 11 have been reserved for wildcard entry into the regular draft and should not be an option for the minor leagues.

I like the idea of putting a limit on how many times you can make a move and thought of doing that at first but scratched the idea when it just meant more record keeping and something else to keep track of.

[jbergey22]

Just to add a few things, Scott did practically all the work in this design but I think I kno what he would like to accomplish with this.

A. It will help build up records of future all stars so maybe we can get another Mickey Walker type

B. 1&2 rated fighters should be chums, there should be no reason that people want to develop them anyway. Not to mention that if they keep being used to frequently we will run out of them.

C. This was not designed for people to make changes every week according to different matchups so I hope that isnt taking place. The fact still remains that all of these fighters will still be beginners/pre prime which is still not a great situation if a team does choose to alternate fighters according to matchups. If you keep pre primes in the minors you are running the risk of losing them due the the rules.

D. The record keeping may become a pain in the rear for those of you that do it that is why it is up for vote.

These rules are very flexible but if you make suggestions it has to be in the framework of the goals the league wants to accomplish. So please try to understand this part of it! Scot is easy to work with.

[bigMatt]

Despite my comment earlier - I really do love the idea of a minor league system. The rules as listed are elegant and well thought out. If Scot doesn't find it too difficult to manage, then I'd say lets go for it.

I would like to have Ike, B.T., Zab and Eddie back tho. Can we add this stipulation? Just kidding.

If not 8 fighters, a 3 fighter group kindda like Lee's ideas would be a reasonable alternative. To Dave's point about bringing guys up and down, I actually like that aspect of the minor league system - it adds a further dimension to team management.

Anyway, you'll get my vote on this.

But, in response to Jeremy's point, there never will be another Mickey Walker.

[bear]

I like the idea of a minor league system.

Bear

[CONN CHRIS]

You could elinimate hyper-shuttling by having a limited number of options, say two. After you have called him up, sent him down and called him up again your only options are to keep him on the main squad or release him.

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by SAL

Like I said in my last post....I hope to be rid of all 1's and 2's in the league in the seasons to come. That's the whole idea behind the stipulations.

If you had said the goal was to get rid of 1's and 2's entirely that might have been different. I'm still not really in favor of unlimited moves, but could we at least add the stipulation that your rosters have to be set by week 8?

Really not trying to be difficult but if I don't like an idea am I supposed to just keep quiet about it?

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

You could elinimate hyper-shuttling by having a limited number of options, say two. After you have called him up, sent him down and called him up again your only options are to keep him on the main squad or release him.

I like this idea also.

[lethal liberal]

All of the ideas sound interesting and yes it could add a new aspect and even deeper level of management to the game. However,I am probably going to be the only one,but I think we should leave the game as is. It seems to be working fine and I think that we should quit tinkering with the game so we can have a way to judge past fighters for awards like hall of fame etc. If we keep the same schedule,the same rules etc.,then it will be possible to compare....say...Matts team this year with his team from season 3 etc. I am not dead set against change,just think that if something isnt broke...dont try to fix it. However,whatever you guys decide is fine by me..I am not gonna bitch and moan regardless of what you guys decide. I will enjoy and continue to play no matter what you decide. I just think the game is great the way it is. Take care fellas.

[Romultiltus]

Originally Posted by lethal liberal

All of the ideas sound interesting and yes it could add a new aspect and even deeper level of management to the game. However,I am probably going to be the only one,but I think we should leave the game as is. It seems to be working fine and I think that we should quit tinkering with the game so we can have a way to judge past fighters for awards like hall of fame etc. If we keep the same schedule,the same rules etc.,then it will be possible to compare....say...Matts team this year with his team from season 3 etc. I am not dead set against change,just think that if something isnt broke...dont try to fix it. However,whatever you guys decide is fine by me..I am not gonna bitch and moan regardless of what you guys decide. I will enjoy and continue to play no matter what you decide. I just think the game is great the way it is. Take care fellas.

I agree. As long as we are enjoying the league as it is, why change it.

I would agree to adding a minor league or even changing the individual points scored or the team scoring if we just decided to reboot the league and start from scratch.

This of course would dump all fighters back into the draft pool and reset their records to zero. We would lose the accumulated awards and individual all-time records and most of all some guys may not get their favorite fighters they had. On the plus side, the rules could be tweaked and everyone could begin on a level playing field.

But for now, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[kenyan_cheena]

Originally Posted by lethal liberal

All of the ideas sound interesting and yes it could add a new aspect and even deeper level of management to the game. However,I am probably going to be the only one,but I think we should leave the game as is. It seems to be working fine and I think that we should quit tinkering with the game so we can have a way to judge past fighters for awards like hall of fame etc. If we keep the same schedule,the same rules etc.,then it will be possible to compare....say...Matts team this year with his team from season 3 etc. I am not dead set against change,just think that if something isnt broke...dont try to fix it. However,whatever you guys decide is fine by me..I am not gonna bitch and moan regardless of what you guys decide. I will enjoy and continue to play no matter what you decide. I just think the game is great the way it is. Take care fellas.

Originally Posted by Romultiltus

I agree. As long as we are enjoying the league as it is, why change it.

I would agree to adding a minor league or even changing the individual points scored or the team scoring if we just decided to reboot the league and start from scratch.

This of course would dump all fighters back into the draft pool and reset their records to zero. We would lose the accumulated awards and individual all-time records and most of all some guys may not get their favorite fighters they had. On the plus side, the rules could be tweaked and everyone could begin on a level playing field.

But for now, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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[jbergey22]

I very much appreciate the stats Dave and it adds a lot to the league. I think this way will actully paint a better picture in comparing this initial era to future fighters because the rookies now will get to pad their records as many of the current HOF fighters have. It takes a lot a way from future stars currently like Paul Berlenbach and Benny Lynch to have to start out fighting prime fighters while they are beginners. With this minor league system the great fighters will get to pad their record against other beginners.

If you do decide it will be too much work I am sure that will be a main reason this would get turned down, which is fine. IMO I think this will add a lot to the league long term, better future matchups, less going into complete rebuild mode like some teams have had to do already, and more worthless fighters getting out of the free agent pool.

[Romultiltus]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

I very much appreciate the stats Dave and it adds a lot to the league. I think this way will actully paint a better picture in comparing this initial era to future fighters because the rookies now will get to pad their records as many of the current HOF fighters have. It takes a lot a way from future stars currently like Paul Berlenbach and Benny Lynch to have to start out fighting prime fighters while they are beginners. With this minor league system the great fighters will get to pad their record against other beginners.

If you do decide it will be too much work I am sure that will be a main reason this would get turned down, which is fine. IMO I think this will add a lot to the league long term, better future matchups, less going into complete rebuild mode like some teams have had to do already, and more worthless fighters getting out of the free agent pool.

I agree with what you say to a point. The newer rookies are getting a raw deal facing prime guys right off the bat, but we have 4 seasons of history right now and it really does skew their records. With that said, I think we are tinkering too much each season. The ratings changes due to ageing is a rule that we haven't yet seen and can only speculate on how it will affect the league.

Throwing in a minor league in Season 5 is just too much change from a continuity standpoint. If we all could agree upon all of these changes, then why not re-boot the league and start over from scratch with everyone equal. (I would prefer not to, but it would solve a lot of issues)

[mh2365]

I'd agree to a reboot if I can still have Marvin Johnson and Alexis Arguello LOL

[jbergey22]

Well the truth is that a minor league system in year 1 really wouldnt work that well. All the fighters would be at the same age. IMO even if we started over year 4-5 would be about the perfect time to add a minor league system(Right before many fighters go post prime so the beginners are in pre-prime when others are fading.

I will stay out of it and let you guys talk about it, I think its pretty clear where my stance is. Great ideas come from great disputes I think a great philosopher once said or did I just make that up