Utba

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by Romultiltus

Just remember, Tomato City beat the Muckboys last season. It's not gonna be a walkover. Some of my guys can't possibly be as bad as they were. Also, The Fritz Chervet ratings snafu guaranteed my team 8 losses at the start of the season.

Also, Both the Kangaroos and Barbarians have high draft picks. The Kangaroos are much better now w/ Max Baer...

I'm well aware that ya'll beat us last year but I had Edwin Rosairo lose both his matches, Paul Pender lost a match that even you agreed was probably robbed from him, and a couple of others lose on last second KOs in fights they were winning. So I expect our match next year to be close and hard fought I think I can win.

I don't expect to walkover the division but one high draft pick shouldn't close the gap that much between the Muckboys and the Kangaroos and Barbarians as long as the Muckboys do as well as they did near the end of the season. Without Bonnar Springs in the division I see no reason I shouldn't have a good shot of taking it.

[vistaman44]

Should be a very close division. My guys underachieved in year one, and will get better with the draft (I hope!). Got to shore up some weaknesses, but it could be one of the most interesting divisions in the league.

Luck to all, but more to me!

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by vistaman44

Should be a very close division. My guys underachieved in year one, and will get better with the draft (I hope!). Got to shore up some weaknesses, but it could be one of the most interesting divisions in the league.

Luck to all, but more to me!

I agree everyone has a shot to win the division I think I have the best shot but I'm really really biased in that regard. Should be fun to watch and see how it unfold.

[CONN CHRIS]

I agree with Romultiltus concerning the performance points.

[vistaman44]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I agree with Romultiltus concerning the performance points.

Good points from Romy. Had not thought that far ahead, but we should definitely consider that.

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by vistaman44

Good points from Romy. Had not thought that far ahead, but we should definitely consider that.

While I would love to take credit for those ideas it was Romultiltus who came up with them, not me. Also I agree with Romultitlus on this issue.

[bigMatt]

Originally Posted by SAL

UTBA
Pound for Pound Rankings

1) Mickey Walker 20-0-0 (15),BaldBeavers,(PP)807.9
(Middleweight)

How about the Mick, huh? Always been just about my favorite all-time fighter. I have his autobiography in my library (paid a pretty good price to get it on ebay a few years ago. It's long out of print).

I can now admit to everyone that my entire draft last year was based on getting fighters I liked, from either watching them, or in some cases, from simply remembering them from my old Title Bout board game days (which I played the heck out of as a pup). I had some general qualities in mind when ranking the fighters I wanted, but ultimately, I wanted Walker, Basilio, Ibeabuchi, Jenkins, et al

So that's the Bald Beaver strategy - get guys you like so you can root for them...we'll see how it works for season 2.

[SAL]

Originally Posted by Romultiltus

Just a question concerning the PfP's. I apologize if this was discussed or explained somewhere else and I missed it...

Are the PfP's going to be defaulted back to 200 at the start of each season? I'm curious to know since after the posting of the Pound-for-Pound leaders, it is obvious that some of these guys will never be caught, even if a newcomer goes undefeated this season.

Also, if a fighter w/ a lousy record in Season 1 (I'll use my guy MW Gomeo Brennan 2-8-4 (1) - Rated 8) turns things around and has a winning record this season, I don't see it possible for him to have any chance to make the final-16 based on the PfP carried over.

Any thoughts from the peanut gallery

Let's discuss whether or not to default all performance points back to 200 at the start of every season.

As for the pound for pound ranks, I used perf.pts. to get a top 10 list. Now that the pfp ranks are established, your faithful commissioner will now decide on who is ranked and where in the pfp list. Performance points will no longer be used to determine pfp fighters. Now you know who to complain too if you don't like the pfp rankings.

The game's ranking method will still be used to rank the top 15 along with the champ for the year end showdown tournaments.

[mh2365]

First off if a guy comes in and goes undefeated he will have beaten some high rank fighters to get up in PP. I don't think they should be reset personally.

[SAL]

Originally Posted by mh2365

First off if a guy comes in and goes undefeated he will have beaten some high rank fighters to get up in PP. I don't think they should be reset personally.

Mike, you're more familiar with how the performance points affect how a fighter is ranked in the game. I thought that the new ranking system ranked fighters for a big part of it on their last five fights, not their whole career. That's how guys like T.Morrison made our top 16 with a 4-10-0 record. He won a couple of fights over some higher rated fighters and all of a sudden, the game bumps him from 23 rank to 16.

[Romdawg88]

I like reseting them because I think the guys should make the individual tournments based on what they did during that season. If Edwin Rosario craps the bed next season then he shouldn't make the tournment just because he had a good run this last season.

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by SAL

Mike, you're more familiar with how the performance points affect how a fighter is ranked in the game. I thought that the new ranking system ranked fighters for a big part of it on their last five fights, not their whole career. That's how guys like T.Morrison made our top 16 with a 4-10-0 record. He won a couple of fights over some higher rated fighters and all of a sudden, the game bumps him from 23 rank to 16.

No the new ranking system has absolutely nothing to do with their last five fights. If a guy with 200pp beats a guy with 700pp. The guy with 200 will automatically have at least one more point than the loser. They would end up like at 501 and 500.

It's all who you beat and how many pp they had at the time. That's why I say leave the pp. If Morrison beat a couple of higher ranked fighters then his pp would jump up.

[SAL]

Originally Posted by mh2365

No the new ranking system has absolutely nothing to do with their last five fights. If a guy with 200pp beats a guy with 700pp. The guy with 200 will automatically have at least one more point than the loser. They would end up like at 501 and 500.

It's all who you beat and how many pp they had at the time. That's why I say leave the pp. If Morrison beat a couple of higher ranked fighters then his pp would jump up.

Thanks Mike for the explanation. I think I got it now.
If this is the case, I say leave the performance points alone but it's up to you guys not me. I'll administer whatever rules you want.

[mh2365]

If a beginner were to go 20-0 like the one example above, he would be beating some high pp fighters and his pp would be really high. The big problem is that the rookies will be at beginner while most of the other fighters will be at pre-prime and prim.

I don't expect any of the rookies to be in the top 4 or 5 in their weight class this year. That is were the expansion teams will struggle badly also. I would be surprised if the expansion teams didn't have the #1 and #2 picks next year.

I say they also get first shot at the leftovers after round 3 of the draft also.

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by mh2365

If a beginner were to go 20-0 like the one example above, he would be beating some high pp fighters and his pp would be really high. The big problem is that the rookies will be at beginner while most of the other fighters will be at pre-prime and prim.

I don't expect any of the rookies to be in the top 4 or 5 in their weight class this year. That is were the expansion teams will struggle badly also. I would be surprised if the expansion teams didn't have the #1 and #2 picks next year.

I say they also get first shot at the leftovers after round 3 of the draft also.

Well, they are expansion teams their suppose to suck. However, on the PP issue Mike has made some good arguements and I'm changing my vote to let them stay.

[Romultiltus]

All good points. Maybe we should just table the PfP issue unitil the end of Season 2. That way we can actually see how much of an advantage the carry-over PFP's really are with respect to the tournaments.

I'm not really a fan of the carry-over idea, but if that's what most of the teams want, so be it. I just feel that all teams should be on an even playing field at the beginning of a season. Fighters should not get credit for what was accomplished during the previous season when determining the final 16 that will make the End-of-Year tournaments. My opinion is that each season should stand on its own and the best performers for that season should be rewarded with tournament bids.

Just a hypothetical senario: Fighter A finished Season 1 with 400PfP's. Fighter B in the same divison is new. Season 2 finishes w/ both fighters with idenitical records. Being in the same division, they pretty much faced the same competition - so chances are their Season 2 PfP's are in the same ballpark (depending on if they beat the same guys). Anyways, Fighter A has a distinct advantage at the end of the season to make the tournament simply because he has 200 extra PfP's carried over from the previous season.

I'm not complaining, and feel that we can leave things alone for now, but may need to re-address this again after Season 2.

[mh2365]

In your scenario though if Fighter B beats Fighter A then he is going to have more PP than Fighter A no matter where they started the season at. If he loses to Fighter A then the topic doesn't matter.

In the P4P race, different divisions have always come into play so I say we have 2. PP P4P and then the Commissoner's subjective P4P.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by SAL

Hebron Haymakers
(cap points = 105)
Rookies are in blue

HW
(8)Buster Douglas 0-0-0 (0) *beginning
(5)Buddy Baer 4-10-0 (2) *pre-prime

LHW
(9) Georges Carpentier 0-0-0 *beginning
(6)Lotte Mwale 7-7-1 (5) *beginning

MW
(10)Ken Overlin 13-2-4 (3) *pre-prime
(5)Alex Ramos 5-8-2 (2) *beginning

WW
(7)Randy Shields 10-2-3 (3) *beginning
(9)Marlon Starling 12-3-0 (3) *beginning

LW
(5)Fabian Tejeda 9-7-0 (7) *beginning
(7)Jorge Paez 4-8-2 (1) *beginning

FW
(4)Jorge Solis 4-10-0 (3) *beginning
(3)Jackie Gunguluza 1-12-1 (1) *pre-prime

BW
(9)Alfonso Zamora 14-2-1 (6) *pre-prime
(7)Veeraphol Sahaprom 10-6-2 (7) *pre-prime

Fly
(7)Johnny Buff 0-0-0 (0) *beginning
(4)Jiro Takada 8-6-0 (3) *beginning

With all the beginners, I may not be a lot better right away but I like this team much better than what I had.

[vistaman44]

... looks better on paper, but then I thought they looked good before underperforming last season, too. Who knows?
Brazilian Barbarians
(Rookies in red)

HW
(7)Michael Dokes 6-7-1 (4) *beginning
(6)Joe Mesi 11-4-0 (9) *beginning

LHW
(11)Bob Foster 14-1-1 (14) *pre-prime
(5)Mike Rossman 4-9-1 (2) *pre-prime

MW
(7)Robert Villemain 7-9-0 (1) *beginning
(6)Vito Antuofermo 2-8-4 (1) *beginning

WW
(10)Cocoa Kid 0-0-0 *beginning
(6)Johnny Greco 7-7-1 (5) *beginning

LW
(5)Ernesto Espana 6-7-1 (3) *beginning
(8)Art Aragon 8-6-2 (4) *beginning

FW
(3)Richie Lemos 3-10-1 (0) *pre-prime
(8)Ruben Olivares 9-6-0 (7) *beginning

BW
(6)Khaokor Galaxy 0-0-0 (0) *beginning
(9)Gilberto Roman 9-7-0 (2) *pre-prime

Fly
(4)Isidro Perez 0-0-0 (0) *beginning
(4)Freddie Castillo 3-9-2 (2) *beginning

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by SAL

(4)Daniel Judah 4-9-1 (4) *pre-prime *protected boxer* no-release clause in his contract.