Utba

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by SAL

Did you guys just want to have the availabilty to face every team in the league at some point and time over the seasons when you voted the conferences down?

Or were you guys dead set against having 2 Conference Championships at the end of the year and letting the 2 Conf. Champs meet to determine the overall UTBA Team Champion?

* To me, non-division (non-conference, what have you) opponents should be rotated.

More experienced folks should probably have their opinions weighted more than mine on the post-season, but the only thing I would suggest is that is if more than one team per division is in the playoffs, set up some sort of criss-cross deal so that it is possible that two teams from the same division could meet in the final if they get that far.

[Lee]

I am cool with conferences, as long as we get the chance to play all teams in the league at some point in time.

An idea I have for the conferences would be to set them up as two alphabet bodies like LBA (in honor of the longest running OOTP dynasty) and TBU (Trunzo Boxing Union in honor of the creators of our great game) Each organization could have their own champions, then the winners of the playoffs and post season tourney would be the world champions.

Again the key thing to me is that we get to play teams from the other conference at some point as it adds some variety to the Season.

[Thunder]

I guess conferences would negate my second idea . . not being able to face a certain team in the final is my No. 2 on that priority list of two, behind rotating opponents

Originally Posted by Thunder

* To me, non-division (non-conference, what have you) opponents should be rotated.

More experienced folks should probably have their opinions weighted more than mine on the post-season, but the only thing I would suggest is that is if more than one team per division is in the playoffs, set up some sort of criss-cross deal so that it is possible that two teams from the same division could meet in the final if they get that far.

Originally Posted by Lee

I am cool with conferences, as long as we get the chance to play all teams in the league at some point in time.

An idea I have for the conferences would be to set them up as two alphabet bodies like LBA (in honor of the longest running OOTP dynasty) and TBU (Trunzo Boxing Union in honor of the creators of our great game) Each organization could have their own champions, then the winners of the playoffs and post season tourney would be the world champions.

Again the key thing to me is that we get to play teams from the other conference at some point as it adds some variety to the Season.

[kenyan_cheena]

My one problem with the conferences is that it makes it impossible for two teams from the same conference to fight for the championship. This is supposed to be a fun league and as such should also be fair. It's not fair if the two best teams in the league are in the same conference and can't go head-to-head for the championship because of it.

No offense meant, but I don't really see the big deal about comparing stats between conferences. I would think that being the best in any certain category out of a list of 24 teams would be quite an honor and something to indulge in quite a bit of trash talking about.

I will say that I would have been in favour of four divisions of six teams and a sixteen week season rather than six divisions of four and a ten week season but I know that won't be happening so it doesn't matter. Having six teams in a division would have made winning the division a bigger achievement, IMO. It also would have allowed each division champ to host a playoff game if we'd gone with four division champs and four wildcards.

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by bigMatt

I REALLY wanted conferences, because it lends more drama to the championship.

I like the conference and division set up and think the out of divison matchups should only be within the conference ... guess I'm old school that way LOL.

[bigMatt]

Originally Posted by mh2365

I like the conference and division set up and think the out of divison matchups should only be within the conference ... guess I'm old school that way LOL.

Don't get nervous, but I think we agree 100% my friend.

[CONN CHRIS]

The more I think about it, the lower I find my rip count to be.

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by bigMatt

Don't get nervous, but I think we agree 100% my friend.

We do that a lot as long as the topic isn't politics (or Teddy ) ... plus I don't think we are far off there ... I like being a jerk up there though. Just know there is pretty much nothing you could say up there that I would carry down here ....

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

The more I think about it, the lower I find my rip count to be.

Okay I'm lost what is a rip count?

[kenyan_cheena]

Originally Posted by mh2365

I like the conference and division set up and think the out of divison matchups should only be within the conference ... guess I'm old school that way LOL.

So you've changed your mind since voting in the poll?

This is something that we need to be sure on before starting the season because once we start we'll be stuck with the format we choose. If people still want to keep the conferences I could re-do the schedule to have six divisional games, two divisional within conference and two inter-conference matchups.

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[IceTea]

This is a cool idea, but I think we are missing the boat by not allowing harry greb, mickey walker, and the like in the league. Most likely, titles will be changing hands every other fight with fighters rated 3-10 in the league. It might get pretty boring pretty fast.

MJ

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by kenyan_cheena

So you've changed your mind since voting in the poll?

This is something that we need to be sure on before starting the season because once we start we'll be stuck with the format we choose. If people still want to keep the conferences I could re-do the schedule to have six divisional games, two divisional within conference and two inter-conference matchups.

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Actually I must have read it wrong or hit the wrong button ... because I have always been in favor of keeping it the same as it was

Originally Posted by IceTea

This is a cool idea, but I think we are missing the boat by not allowing harry greb, mickey walker, and the like in the league. Most likely, titles will be changing hands every other fight with fighters rated 3-10 in the league. It might get pretty boring pretty fast.

MJ

You do realize that they are allowed in the league ... just not in the initial draft right? It has been explained 100 times that if it had been allowed to pick someone over 10 then there would have been no one over 10 in the first 10-15 drafts.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by mh2365

Okay I'm lost what is a rip count?

I once asked if anyone gave a rip about something (I've forgotten what) and Will responded with "Rip count : zero".

I guess that only him and me would smirk and even that's assuming too much.

[bigMatt]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I once asked if anyone gave a rip about something (I've forgotten what) and Will responded with "Rip count : zero".

I guess that only him and me would smirk and even that's assuming too much.

I thought this was a smirk-free zone. If you want to smirk, I suggest you lace up the gloves and move northward towards the Off Topic zone.

[bigMatt]

Originally Posted by mh2365

We do that a lot as long as the topic isn't politics (or Teddy ) ... plus I don't think we are far off there ... I like being a jerk up there though. Just know there is pretty much nothing you could say up there that I would carry down here ....

Truth is, we are probably 99% brothers. It is that 1% that poses all the trouble.

[bigMatt]

Originally Posted by IceTea

This is a cool idea, but I think we are missing the boat by not allowing harry greb, mickey walker, and the like in the league. Most likely, titles will be changing hands every other fight with fighters rated 3-10 in the league. It might get pretty boring pretty fast.

MJ

It would probably be provocative, but true, to add that Jimmy Britt would undoubtedly still be part of the IceTea squad if this were the case...

[bigMatt]

Originally Posted by mh2365

You do realize that they are allowed in the league ... just not in the initial draft right? It has been explained 100 times that if it had been allowed to pick someone over 10 then there would have been no one over 10 in the first 10-15 drafts.

As an owner who considers Mickey Walker my favorite fighter EVER (and probably the only UTBA member who owns an original hardprint copy of Mickey Walker's autobiography), I'm okay with this consequence.

But as a guy who had a great deal of fun with the UTBA, I'm also okay with whatever the majority wants.

[Romultiltus]

I've started a separate thread proposing a couple of tweaks to the revised scoring system for UTBA-II. Please post any feedback (Good or Bad) there.

Thanks

[Romultiltus]

Originally Posted by Lee

I am cool with conferences, as long as we get the chance to play all teams in the league at some point in time.

An idea I have for the conferences would be to set them up as two alphabet bodies like LBA (in honor of the longest running OOTP dynasty) and TBU (Trunzo Boxing Union in honor of the creators of our great game) Each organization could have their own champions, then the winners of the playoffs and post season tourney would be the world champions.

Again the key thing to me is that we get to play teams from the other conference at some point as it adds some variety to the Season.

I pretty much agree with you Lee. At first I was in favor of having 2 isolated conferences that could never meet unitl the championship match. This allowed for the establishment of good divisional rivalries and kept you pretty much guessing how your team would do against the unknowns of the other conference champion (if you managed to get that far).

But like MLB, interleague competition is also a good thing. With a rotation set up as it is now, you will only face a particular inter-conference opponent once every 5 seasons. Most of the other teams will retain an "unknown" factor if you face them in the championship match.

The major flaw in the old system was that once the Weight Class Championships were established after crowning the EOY Tournament Winners, the titles were stuck in the same conferences for an entire season. Many great fighters never even got a chance to fight for a title and took away something from the league. The new system would allow for, but not guarantee, the possiblity for an individual title to change conferences during the season.

Finally, back to the STATS. While a few may not be interested in the individual points leaders stats, I'm guessing that a few of you guys acutally liked it. Also, each owner/manager got to have some input into naming End of Season Awards Winners for a couple of catagories. A couple of guys never voted, and that's fine, but I think that it was a good thing for the league.

All of the above items added some spice to the league and fostered some good back-and-forth ribbing between owners/managers.

Just my 2 cents...

[SAL]

I have all the 3rd round replacement picks in and at first glance........everything seems to be in order. I need to check my eyesight against the db before I make anything official though. Will make an official announcement on this before I go to bed tonight.

bigMatt & Gunsmoke, umk PM'd me and said your choices were cool with him. So no need to make any replacement picks. Sorry once again guys for the mess-up. I'll try to pick on someone different next time.