Heavyweights Universe. From 60's and forward.

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Originally Posted by mikehoudini

I'm happy to see Mel in the TOP group, where his record will get worse fast. In the board game, there was almost no one he could beat (he was 1 and a lot for me). he was the ultimate symbol for futility, but a number of us became fans of this ultimate underdog!

Here, there are enough other tomato cans that he has a reasonable chance of winning against (he went 4-2 in my level 1 tournament, and I'm going to keep that mini-universe going). I'm thrilled to see so many extra fighters, as Mel has chances at winning. Still, I'll bet his losses will now mount in this universe.

I really have enjoyed this, as the 60s and 70s were great times for me to follow boxing. There is a good mix of talented fighters below Ali and Frazier, and Leotis proved that, on any given day, a big boy can be beaten!

I first got interested in boxing a few years ago with Mikkel Kessler and Taylor v Hopkins fight. Then i watched a program with Muhammad Ali fighting Chuck Wepnre and Joe Bugner on some american channel. That's when i got interested in that era. I have wathced alot of fights online since, and many of the best are from 60's and 70's. Ali-Chuvalo, Ali-Frazier I, Ali-Foreman, Frazier-Ellis, Foreman-Frazier are just some of those i really liked watching.

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Mel Turnbow has actually managed a draw against Karl Mildenberg, a UD 10 win against Jan Lubbers, a draw against Tony Ventura and a UD 10 win against Bernard Thebault.

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August notable fights (recs post fight)

Rudi Lubbers 4-0-0 UD 6 James Kingsford 6-17-2 (2)

Pedro Lovell 4-0-0 (3) UD 6 Burghard Lembke 7-10-1 (1)

Jose Luis Garcia 7-2-1 (5) SD 8 Osvaldo Lavilla 12-16-1 (3)

Piermario Baruzzi 10-2-0 (9) KO 2 Takao Okuda 5-6-3 (1)

Domenico Adolfi 11-2-0 (6) KO 4 Moline MacClements 18-15-2 (5)

Mani Vaka 13-0-1 (9) TKO 8 Lubos Obsut 18-20-1 (6)

Jimmy Young 11-0-0 (4) UD 8 Larry Duncan 8-1-0 (5)

Roy Williams 22-6-0 (14) KO 4 Jose Roman 19-5-0 (4)

George Foreman 14-0-0 (14) KO 1 Bobby Halpern 34-15-3 (23)

Jurgen Blin 24-7-0 (6) TKO 7 Carl Gizzi 29-7-2 (15)

Mel Turnbow 20-12-2 (4) MD 10 Jack Bodell 27-13-1 (21)

Manuel Ramos 27-12-2 (13) UD 10 Billy Walker 36-7-1 (30)

One world fight coming up

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Fight Night

1970-08-12 - Van Andel Arena, Grand Rapids, MI

Buster Mathis 27-3-0 (7) v Larry Middleton 27-1-0 (8), 10 round WBO eliminator

We are in Buster Mathis' hometown of Grand Rapids for this eliminator to decide who Muhammad Ali will have to face before November in order to keep his WBO belt.

This is expected to be a close fight, with to good boxers without particular power. Two fighters with a very similar style, as they both defend and counter with combinations. Buster Mathis is the small favourite though as he has some better wins than Larry. Geroge Chuvalo, Henry Clark and Leotis Martin are impressive opponents. His losses has come against Leotis Martin twice and Joe Frazier. Larry has beat fighters such as Roy Williams, Doug Jones, George 'Scrap Iron' Johnson and Dave Zyglewicz. His loss has come against Manuel Ramos, a loss he has revenged twice with victories.

Both show up in top shape.

1st: Mathis only needs a minute to open a cut above Middletons right eye as he clearly wins the round. 14-1

2nd: Larry is the agressor and both lands and misses more to win the round. 5-14

3rd: A close 3rd where Larry presses the action but Mathis lands more. 6-5

4th: A very actionfilled round that Larry Middleton gets the better of. 11-19

5th: Buster wins a close slow round. 6-4

6th: A nice round of action but Larry just seems to win the round by being the more active fighter. 8-12

7th: Middleton is winning the round, but Buster reopens his cut. Larry still wins the round clearly though. 5-12

8th: The round is too close to call, but Larrys cut is worsening. 10-10

With two rounds to go i have it: 77-76 for Larry Middleton

9th: Buster Mathis lands a few good shots, and the ref steps in as he looks at the cut above Larry Middletons right eye. He then talks a bit with the ringside doctor and Larrys corner and the ref waves his arms and stops the fight.

Buster Mathis TKO 9 cuts Larry Middleton.

Buster becomes mandatory WBO challenger as he moves to 28-3-0 (8) while Larry Middleton moves to 27-2-0 (8) and his 13 fight winning streak is stopped, but he looked very good and might have been able to win this.

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Muhammad Ali (41-1-0 with 33 stoppages) will as expected fight Buster Mathis (28-3-0 with 8 stoppages) in November this year. Buster Mathis became WBO mandatory by defeating Larry Middleton.

Joe Frazier (26-3-0 with 25 stoppages) has announced that he will rebound from his July upset loss to Leotis Martin against Boone Kirkman (18-1-0 with 11 stoppages) in January next year.

EBU champ Dante Cane (25-4-0 with 20 stoppages) will defend his title against mandatory challenger Jurgen Blin (24-7-0 with 6 stoppages) in December on the undercard of Bonavena - Peralta II.

Alejandro Lavorante 39-17-1 (31) has retired.

The ring top 10:
Muhammad Ali
Leotis Martin
Joe Frazier
Jerry Quarry
Buster Mathis
Al Jones
George Chuvalo
Oscar Bonavena
Dave Zyglewicz
Larry Middleton

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September notable (recs are post fight)

Rudi Lubbers 5-0-0 UD 6 Vedim Valeeva 12-30-2 (3)

Mike Boswell 3-0-0 (2) KO 2 Morten Thunmark 3-9-1

Jeff Merritt 13-2-0 (9) UD 8 Mani Vaka 13-1-1 (9)

Earnie Shavers 15-0-0 (13) KO 8 Del Phillips 9-4-0

Jack O'Halloran 20-3-0 (2) UD 10 Billy Walker 36-8-1 (30)

George Foreman 15-0-0 (15) TKO 1 Eric Saint-Louis 16-16-1 (4)

Joe Bugner 16-6-0 (11) TKO 8 Tony Ventura 15-7-2 (10)

Manfred Markgraf 23-4-1 (2) v Franco DePiccoli 35-10-0 (30)

Billy Daniels 29-11-1 (10) KO 9 Charlie Green 14-6-1 (4)

One world fight to come..

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Fight Night

1970-09-29 - Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, CA

Jerry Quarry 27-1-0 (22) v Al Jones 26-3-0 (5), 12 Round NABF championship fight

We are in 'Irish Jerry' Quarrys hometown of Los Angeles as he rebounds from his loss in his latest fight against Joe Frazier. Al Jones beat Mac Foster by a Split Decision to get this title shot. The two fighters has met once before in an IBF title defence for Jerry Quarry. Jerry won by UD 15.

Both show up in top shape.

1st: Al Jones starts the round by boxing very well but then Jerry gets on the inside to win the round with superior speed and power. 13-7

2nd: Same story. Al Jones boxes well in the beginning but the second Jerry gets close to him, he is stronger and faster. 12-9

3rd: Close round, with Jerry outlanding Al 24-20. 7-8

4th: Smooth boxing round from Al Jones. 4-11

5th: Very close round, Jerry looks good on the inside but he has a hard time getting there. 10-8

6th: Al Jones is looking very good in boxing. 4-15

7th: Another good round from Al, as he is very good in his defense. 2-8

8th: The round seems close until Jerry stuns Jones towards the end. 11-5

9th: Al Jones is very impressive as he evens opens a cut in Jerrys mouth. 3-21

10th: It seems like Al Jones is simply superior here today. 3-11

With two rounds to go i have it: 96-94 for Al Jones

11th: Jerry starts well, until Al Jones gets a distance to Jerry and easily lands combinations. 12-12

12th and final round: What a round! High action, Close until Al Jones hurts Jerry with sharp and stinging combinations to win the round clearly. 10-20

I have it: 116-112 for Al Jones.

Scorecards are: 118-111 for Al Jones
114-114 even
116-114 for ..
Al Jones!

Al Jones becomes new NABF champ with MD 10 against Jerry Quarry.

This was quite an upset, not a big one though.

Al Jones moves to 27-3-0 (5) after an impressive showing of smooth boxing. Jerry Quarry moves to 27-2-0 (22) and has now lost two in a row.

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NABF has allowed Al Jones to fight a rematch against Jerry Quarry for his first defence. Al Jones quickly accepted this and a third fight between the two rivals is arranged for February next year. Jerry Quarry won the first by UD 15 and Al Jones won the second by MD 12.

Figther profile: George Foreman 15-0-0 (15)

This young prosect has been cruising along against competition that would make most youngsters go down fast. Fighters like Franco DePiccoli, Roger Russell and Bobby Halpern are not usual for a fighter at this point in his career. His power has been frightening and his ability to finish a hurt opponent is one of the things that makes George a fighter to look out for. The last fighter to have won this many consecutive fights by Knockout was Joe Frazier and George is already #2 on that list. Joe Frazier at #1 has 21 against Foremans 15. Also it is notable that he has hit the rankings. He is #11 in Nabf and #10 in USBA. In the world rankings he is; #14 IBF & WBA, #15 WBC & WBO and is therefore already eligible for world fights. He should not expect to get a chance already though as it is not very probable that anybody will fight this frightening figure in an optional defence.

The ring top 10:
Muhammad Ali
Leotis Martin
Joe Frazier
Al Jones
Buster Mathis
George Chuvalo
Jerry Quarry
Oscar Bonavena
Dave Zyglewicz
Larry Middleton

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October notable (recs are post fight)

Rudi Lubbers 6-0-0 UD 6 Pedro Manuel Lamarca 5-9-6

Terry Daniels 6-1-0 (2) UD 8 Diego Mendicutti 10-8-0 (6)

Kurt Luedecke 13-2-0 (6) KO 5 Paul Konowalchuk 10-23-2 (3)

Jose Urtain 11-3-0 (3) UD 8 Dennis Avoth 15-4-1

Larry Duncan 9-1-0 (6) KO 4 Mecki Friedrich 10-3-0 (5)

Ron Stander 11-1-1 (4) UD 8 Mariano Rodenas 15-12-0 (7)

Jimmy Young 12-0-0 (5) TKO 8 Jepser Witzke 3-3-2

Joe Alexander 11-1-1 (8) TKO 2 Jeff Rafalski 18-16-5 (2)

George Foreman 16-0-0 (16) KO 6 Jack Bodell 27-14-1 (21)

Ken Norton 20-1-0 (18) KO 1 Boroda Belov 18-12-2 (1)

Al Lewis 24-1-2 (13) UD 10 Giuseppe Ros 18-5-0 (7)

Tony Ventura 16-7-2 (11) KO 4 Roy Williams 22-7-0 (14)

One world fight coming up

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Fight Night

1970-10-02 - Reliant Park Pavillion, Houston, TX

Dave Zyglewicz 27-4-0 (20) v Jan Lubbers 24-6-0 (12)

2000 spectators are here to see their hometown favourite fight again. The opponent is dutch Jan Lubbers, an unknown journeyman.

Both are in top shape.

Lubbers is cut in 1st as Dave is punishing Jan in the first couple of rounds. Dave then loses 4th, before winning a close 5th. In the 6th the fight goes to the scorecars because of a Jan Lubbers' cut caused by an accidental headbutt.

Scorecards:
49-47 Dave Zyglewicz
48-48 Even
49-47 Dave Zyglewicz

The winner by Tech MD 5 Dave Zyglewicz

Dave Zyglewicz moves to 28-4-0 (20) in what is best described as a 'stay busy' fight. Jan Lubbers moves to 24-7-0 (12)

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Larry Middleton has announced that he will face tough german Manfred Markgraf as he looks to rebound from his TKO cuts loss against Buster Mathis in August. The fight will happen in February next year.

The ring top 10:
Muhammad Ali
Leotis Martin
Joe Frazier
Al Jones
Buster Mathis
George Chuvalo
Jerry Quarry
Oscar Bonavena
Dave Zyglewicz
Larry Middleton

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November notable fights (recs post fight)

Pedro Lovell 5-0-0 (4) KO 3 Vaclav Vondracek 4-19-0 (1)

Jose Urtain 12-3-0 (3) UD 8 Viatcheslav Tupolev 8-9-1 (3)

Jeff Merritt 14-2-0 (10) KO 4 Torvald Helland 14-23-2 (9)

Hans Jørgen Jacobsen 20-5-0 (19) TKO 8 Roy Williams 22-8-0 (14)

George Foreman 17-0-0 (17) KO 1 Billy Walker 36-9-1 (30)

Manuel Ramos 28-12-2 (14) TKO 3 Jack Bodell 27-15-1 (21)

Mac Foster 25-3-2 (21) TKO 5 Raimo Nisula 15-5-1 (7)

Albert Westphal 41-11-2 (27) MD 10 Billy Daniels 29-12-1 (10)

One world title fight coming up..

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Fight Night

1970-11-28 - Rand Stadium, Johannesburg, South Africa

Muhammad Ali 41-1-0 (33) v Buster Mathis 28-3-0 (8), 15 rounds for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world.

Titles at stake: WBA, WBC and WBO

Muhammad Ali stated that he wanted to fight Buster in his Africa. The biggest stadium in africa is the Rand Stadium so therefore it was very logical to fight it here. Buster Mathis beat Larry Middleton in august to become WBO mandatory so in order for Ali to keep his WBO belt he had to take this fight in this very month. Muhammad is the big favourite here as the general opinion is that he will stop him early. As Buster doesn't have big power or is anywhere near Ali's speed, it is hard to see what he could possibly do to win this.

Both are in top shape.

1st: Ali dominates and hurts Mathis to win the round clearly. 16-2

2nd: Close actionfilled round where Ali outlands Mathis 40-37. 13-11

3rd: Mathis looks very good as Ali gets inactibe. 4-11

4th: Ali punishes Mathis brutally. 22-2

5th: Ali dominates and sends Mathis down for the count. Buster Mathis can't regain his legs and is counted out.

Muhammad Ali KO 5 Buster Mathis

Muhammad Ali moves to 42-1-0 (34) as he easily won his mandatory defense. Buster Mathis moves to 28-4-0 (8)

Impressive perfomance by Ali.

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December notable fights (recs are post fight)

Rudi Lubbers 7-0-0 (1) TKO 5 Lanceloot Heyndrickx 5-12-6

Mike Boswell 4-0-0 (3) KO 5 Bjorn Burass 12-19-4 (1)

Mani Vaka 14-1-1 (10) KO 8 Johnny Firbis 14-20-3 (4)

Armando Zanini 13-3-1 (3) UD 8 Mecki Friedrich 10-4-0 (5)

Jimmy Young 13-0-0 (6) TKO 1 Lubos Obsut 18-21-1 (6)

Peter Boddington 14-1-1 (11) MD 8 Joe Alexander 11-2-1 (8)

Gene Innocent 18-2-0 (10) UD 8 Mariano Rodenas 15-13-0 (7)

Roger Russell 23-5-0 (2) UD 10 Mac Foster 25-4-2 (21) (!!!)

Roy Williams 23-8-0 (15) KO 5 Chuck Wepner 25-11-1 (9)

Carl Gizzi 30-7-2 (15) UD 10 Bobby Halpern 34-16-3 (23)

Earnie Shavers 16-0-0 (14) KO 8 Jack O'Halloran 20-4-0 (2)

Two world fights, both regional title fights, coming up.

[mikehoudini]

Originally Posted by aaaaaaaaa

I first got interested in boxing a few years ago with Mikkel Kessler and Taylor v Hopkins fight. Then i watched a program with Muhammad Ali fighting Chuck Wepnre and Joe Bugner on some american channel. That's when i got interested in that era. I have wathced alot of fights online since, and many of the best are from 60's and 70's. Ali-Chuvalo, Ali-Frazier I, Ali-Foreman, Frazier-Ellis, Foreman-Frazier are just some of those i really liked watching.

You and I have gotten interested in reverse. My grandfather got me interested in the 50s when I was a kid, but the 60s and Patterson, Liston and Ali became my breakout time period. I still have quite a few boxing magazines from that era. I started to lose interest when there became so many titles, but discovered the Avalon Hill board game and enjoyed reliving the 50s through the 80s as well as conducting historical fights. Now I'm getting more interested in the modern era again.

Once 2.5 comes out, I hope to be able to match up 2 of Baltimore's best heavies, Larry Middleton and George Chaplin. George twice came within a whisker of beating Greg Page, and was an underrated counterpuncher who worked by day and fought by night or on the weekend. I have him in my game, but have rated him a bit higher than the database guys have done for 2.5 (alas, their rating is no doubt more accurate as they know a lot more about rating fighters than I do).

[mikehoudini]

Originally Posted by aaaaaaaaa

Mel Turnbow has actually managed a draw against Karl Mildenberg, a UD 10 win against Jan Lubbers, a draw against Tony Ventura and a UD 10 win against Bernard Thebault.

Mel doesn't seem to fare too badly against boxers, and I was glad to see that you bolded his August win over Jack Bodell, as it helped old eyes like mine. A 20-12-2 record exceeds my wildest expectations! Then again, with some judicious scheduling, he might get there in my level 0/1 universe!

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Fight Night

1970-12-03, Luna Park, Argentina

Co-Feature

Dante Cane 25-4-0 (20) v Jurgen Blin 24-7-0 (6), 12 rounds for the EBU championship

Dante Cane makes his first defence against his mandatory challenger Jurgen Blin who beat Carl Gizzi to earn the mandatory position. Dante Cane won the title against Billy Walker by completely dominating him and never giving the brit a chance.

Dante Cane is the 7 to 2 favourite.

Both show up in top shape.

Jurgen Blin edges two actionfilled first rounds. Dante Cane wins a close 3rd. Jurgen wins a boring 4th. Dante Cane wins a close 5th. 6th is very boring and too close to call. Jurgen edges out the 7th and 8th. Dante Cane wins an actionfilled 9th. 10th is too close to call.

Two rounds to go and i have it: 97-95 for Jurgen Blin

11th is too close to call. Jurgen edges a close 12th.

I have it: 117-114 for the challenger Jurgen Blin

Scorecards:
116-113 for Dante Cane
120-110 for Jurgen Blin
118-112 for the winner by split decision.. and NEW EBU champ..
Jurgen Blin!

Very weird scorecards. How you could get 116-113 for Dante Cane or 120-110 for Jurgen Blin is a mystery.

Jurgen Blin is new EBU champ and moves to 25-7-0 (6) while Dante Cane moves to 25-5-0 (20).

Main Event

Oscar Bonavena 28-5-0 (24) v Gregorio Peralta 33-10-1 (21), 12 rounds for the LABA and Argentine championships.

A rematch between the two Argentine rivals after Oscar defeating him by KO 11 the first time. Both are top contenders who used to be higher in the ranks than they are at the moment. Both have met many top contenders. They have both met Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier to mention two of the biggest stars in the sport.

Both are in top shape.

1st: Very close round. 8-7

2nd: Bonavena hurts Peralta early, but Peralta recovers with supreme boxing and fast hands in an exciting round. 12-18

3rd: Peralta makes Bonavenas nose bleed. The cut is worsened as Peralta lands good shots and punishes Bonavena to win the round clearly. 3-21

4th: Very close round with both being active. 9-9

5th: Peralta lands a good punch to Bonavenas nose and suddenly Bonavena is bleeding violently. The ref quickly step in and after looking at Bonavenas nose for a couple of seconds he calls it of.

Gregorio Peralta TKO Cuts 5 Oscar Bonavena

Gregorio Peralta moves to 34-10-1 (22) and is now LABA and Argentine champion. Oscar Bonavena moves to 28-6-0 (24)

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Originally Posted by mikehoudini

Mel doesn't seem to fare too badly against boxers, and I was glad to see that you bolded his August win over Jack Bodell, as it helped old eyes like mine. A 20-12-2 record exceeds my wildest expectations! Then again, with some judicious scheduling, he might get there in my level 0/1 universe!

Is he a 1 or 0 in 2.5?

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Muhammad Ali (42-1-0 with 34 stoppages) has made the world await once again as he announced that he will fight Joe Frazier (26-3-0 with 25 stoppages) for the fourth time if he as expected beats Boone Kirkman (18-1-0 with 11 stoppages) who probably won't be much of a challenge to Smokin' Joe. Joe Frazier lost an upset TKO 6 against Leotis Martin to lose his IBF title but should he win he would probably be the mandatory challenger once again. As Muhammad has to face his mandatory before April next year this will also fulfill that.

Oscar Bonavena v Gregorio Peralta III has been announced for April next year. The first fight between the two ended in a KO 11 win for Bonavena. The second fight ended in a TKO 5 for Gregorio Peralta. This should once and for all settle who the better fighter is.

Dave Zyglewicz will fight Roger Russell in March. Dave is on a good streak with wins over Gregorio Peralta, Chuck Wepner and Jan Lubbers. Roger
Russell got back into the picture by beating Mac Foster in an upset.

George 'Scrap Iron' Johnson 32-20-0 (11) has retired. One time in his career he was a top contender and holds victories against Robert Cleroux, Leotis Martin, Tony Alongi, Oscar Bonavena and Jimmy Ellis. He did lose it as he aged though.

The Ring top 10:
Muhammad Ali
Leotis Martin
Joe Frazier
Al Jones
George Chuvalo
Jerry Quarry
Buster Mathis
Gregorio Peralta
Oscar Bonavena
Dave Zyglewicz

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IBF Rankings:

Champ: Leotis Martin
1. Joe Frazier
2. Al Jones
3. Buster Mathis
4. Jerry Quarry
5. George Chuvalo
6. Dave Zyglewicz
7. Larry Middleton
8. Gregorio Peralta
9. Al Lewis
10. Oscar Bonavena
11. Ken Norton
12. George Foreman
13. Henry Clark
14. Mac Foster
15. Roger Russell

WBA Rankings:
Champ: Muhammad Ali
1. Joe Frazier
2. Al Jones
3. Buster Mathis
4. Jerry Quarry
5. George Chuvalo
6. Gregorio Peralta
7. Dave Zyglewicz
8. Oscar Bonavena
9. Larry MIddleton
10. Al Lewis
11. Ken Norton
12. George Foreman
13. Henry Clark
14. Roger Russell
15. Mac Foster

WBC Rankings:
Champ: Muhammad Ali
1. Joe Frazier
2. Al Jones
3. George Chuvalo
4. Buster Mathis
5. Jerry Quarry
6. Gregorio Peralta
7. Dave Zyglewicz
8. Oscar Bonavena
9. Larry Middleton
10. Al Lewis
11. Ken Norton
12. George Foreman
13. Henry Clark
14. Manfred Markgraf
15. Mac Foster

WBO Rankings:
Champ: Muhammad Ali
1. Joe Frazier
2. Al Jones
3. Buster Mathis
4. Dave Zyglewicz
5. Jerry Quarry
6. George Chuvalo
7. Larry Middleton
8. Gregorio Peralta
9. Al Lewis
10. Oscar Bonavena
11. Ken Norton
12. George Foreman
13. Henry Clark
14. Manfred Markgraf
15. Mac Foster

NABF rankings:
Champ: Al Jones
1. Joe Frazier
2. Buster Mathis
3. George Chuvalo
4. Jerry Quarry
5. Dave Zyglewicz

EBU rankings:
Champ: Jurgen Blin
1. Manfred Markgraf
2. Dante Cane
3. Gerhard Zech
4. Hans Jørgen Jacobsen
5. Gene Innocent

LABA rankings:
Champ: Gregorio Peralta
1. Oscar Bonavena
2. Manuel Ramos
3. Pedro Agosto
4. Mani Vaka
4. Jose Roman